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    Cool Rofis TR51 (XM-L U2, 2x18650/4xCR123A) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO and more!

    Warning: pic heavy, as usual!




    The TR51 is a new side-by-side style 2x18650, single XM-L U2 flashlight from Rofis. I have tested a number of small pocket lights from Rofis now, and the build quality, UI and circuit performance have generally been comparable to the current-controlled Fenix and Klarus lights. Let's see how this higher output model compares to other lights in this class.

    Manufacturer's Specifications:
    • Cree XM-L LED (U2)
    • Battery: 4x CR123A / 2x 18650 / 4x 16340 (16340 battery is not recommended)
    • Digitally regulated output - maintains constant brightness
    • Intelligent memory circuit, automatically memorizes the brightness level when switch off
    • Over-charge protection function, when the battery is in low voltage, the light will flicker twice every two minutes
    • Reverse polarity protection, to protect from improper battery installation
    • Adopts the double-tube design with knurling, comfortable to hold, convenient for operation
    • Two mode groups and seven types of output
    • Capable of standing up securely on a flat surface to serve as a candle
    • Adopts a double-switch design (tail tactical switch, side dimmer switch)
    • Made of durable aircraft-grade aluminum
    • Premium Type III hard-anodized anti-abrasive finish
    • Toughened ultra-clear glass lens with anti-reflective coating
    • 152 mm (length) x 45 mm(body width) x 46 mm(head diameter)
    • 233-gram weight (excluding batteries)
    • Notice: The above-mentioned parameters (tested in lab by using quality CR123A primary Lithium batteries) are approximate and may vary between flashlights, batteries, and environments.
    • MSRP: ~$95



    The TR51 comes in fairly standard hard cardboard box with magnetic closing flap. Inside you get a fairly typical belt-pouch carrying case, paracord-style wrist lanyard, one extra o-ring, and manual.






    From left to right: AW 18650 2200mAh, Rofis TR51, Fenix TK35, Skilhunt DT-20, Eagletac M3C4.

    All weights with no batteries installed.

    Rofis TR51: Weight: 242.2g, Length: 146.7mm, Width (bezel) 45.9mm, Width (widest part): 48.1mm
    Eagletac M3C4 XM-L: Weight: 348.0g, Length: 164mm, Width: 61mm (bezel)
    Fenix TK35: Weight 256.1g, Length 162mm, Width (bezel): 48.6mm, Max Width 52.0mm
    Skilhunt DT-20: Weight 280.0g, Length: 152mm Width (bezel): 72.8mm and 36.8mm
    Sunwayman M40C: Weight: 258.5g, Length 156mm, Width (bezel) 57.1mm,
    Nitecore TM11: Weight: 342.6g (476g with 8xCR123A), Length 135.3mm, Width (bezel): 59.5mm











    The design of the TR51 is distinctive. Although a number of makers have opted for side-by-side 2x18650 handles (e.g. Fenix TK35, Eagletac M3C4), the TR51 is different from most in that it doesn't use a battery carrier. This allows the light to be more compact than others in this space (and bonus – no carrier to worry about breaking ).

    Anodizing is a black matte finish on my sample, with no chips or damage. Labels are clear and bright against the background. There is no real knurling to speak of on the light, but the various build elements do help with grip (there are also some fine ridges on the battery tube, similar to some Fenix lights). I supposed it could be a bit slippery if wet, but I would still consider grip to be decent overall.

    Note that while all the screw threads are anodized, there is still no head lockout. As long as there is sufficient tension on the spring-mounted contact plate in the head, the light will stay on (see below for an explanation of the mechanism). In my testing, the head had to be screwed more than half-way off before the light would turn off. But since there is physical clicky switch in the tail – and no standby mode – there is not much of a concern.

    The rear switch is a forward clicky, and the mode-changing side switch on the head is an electronic switch – both with typical feel for these classes.

    The interesting part is how the cells connect to the head. You insert the batteries not at the tailcap, but at the opening by the head. Pay close attention to the illustration on how to insert the cells (i.e., one points up, one points down). The batteries remain in series, as on most lights where they are arrange length-wise (or side-by-side in a carrier)

    I was originally a little puzzled as to how this light makes contact. I originally presumed the raised metal contacts on either side of the centre piece on the board in the head would make direct contact with the two cells only when they were properly aligned. That would mean that if you unscrewed the head a quarter turn, you would break contact and the light would turn off (i.e., no longer lined up). But that's not the case in practice – with the light on, I can unscrew the head through half a dozen full revolutions, and it never shuts off.

    The explanation for this is that the spring-mounted contact plate in the head actually rotates – and there is a notch on the body where it locks into place. So as you tighten the head, the plate initially turns in sync with the rest of the head - but at a certain point, it catches the notch and stops turning (relative to the rest of the head). As you continue to tighten the head, the contact plate remains firmly lined up with the cells in the right orientation. This is why you have to loosen the head more than half-way off to break the contact – only then will the plate raise enough to spin freely. Note that you can feel the tension shift when the plate locks/unlocks into position, as you are tightening or loosening the head.

    I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like this before. Not that it matters to the end user, and but as a reviewer it is always fun to find something distinctive.

    Note that since these contact points are raised on the plate, true flat-top cells will work fine in the light (as well as all button tops, of course). Confirmed with my AW 2600mAh cells.

    The light can tailstand.

    User Interface

    Turn the light on by pressing and releasing the tail forward clicky (press for momentary, click for locked on).

    Advance modes by pressing the side electronic switch in the head. Mode sequence is Lo > Med > Hi > Turbo, in repeating sequence.

    Light has mode memory, and returns to the last setting after turning off/on.

    Press and hold the side switch to active the "hidden" blinky modes. Strobe > SOS > Beacon are available in repeating sequence by clicking the side switch. If you turn the light off/on (or press and hold again), it reverts to its previously memorized constant output modes.

    For a more detailed examination of the build and user interface, please see my video overview:



    As always, the video was recorded in 720p, but YouTube typically defaults to 360p. Once the video is running, you can click on the configuration settings icon and select the higher 480p to 720p options. You can also run full-screen.

    PWM/Strobe

    As with the other Rofis lights I've reviewed, the TR51 appears to be current-controlled at all levels – there was no sign of PWM.

    Strobe:


    Again, as with other Rofis lights, the "hidden" strobe is an alternating strobe, switching between 6.7Hz and 15.6Hz (spending ~1.5 secs at each frequency). Note the intensity of the pulses also seems to vary over the sequence.

    Beacon:


    The lower output beacon was at 2Hz, which is perfect for signaling purposes.

    No Standby Drain

    Because of the physical clicky switch in the tailcap, there is no standby current to worry about.

    Beamshots:




    The head of the TR51 is a reasonable size, with a smooth reflector. Throw should be decent for this class of XM-L emitter - which was well centered on my sample (looks like there is a centering disc around it).

    And now, what you have all been waiting for. All lights are on their respective max battery sources, about ~0.75 meter from a white wall (with the camera ~1.25 meters back from the wall). Automatic white balance on the camera, to minimize tint differences.













    The TR51 does a good job on the beam, with just a few distortions in the corona. As you would expect given the size of the reflector, throw is intermediate to the TK35 and M3C4-XML.

    Outdoor beamshots are done in the style of my earlier 100-yard round-up review. Please see that thread for a discussion of the topography (i.e. the road dips in the distance, to better show you the corona in the mid-ground).



    Again, you can see the greater throw of the TR51, compared to my Fenix TK35.

    Testing Method:

    All my output numbers are relative for my home-made light box setup, a la Quickbeam's flashlightreviews.com method. You can directly compare all my relative output values from different reviews - i.e. an output value of "10" in one graph is the same as "10" in another. All runtimes are done under a cooling fan, except for any extended run Lo/Min modes (i.e. >12 hours) which are done without cooling.

    I have devised a method for converting my lightbox relative output values (ROV) to estimated Lumens. See my How to convert Selfbuilt's Lightbox values to Lumens thread for more info.

    Throw/Output Summary Chart:

    My summary tables are reported in a manner consistent with the ANSI FL-1 standard for flashlight testing. Effective March 2012, I have updated the Max Output ANSI FL-1 lumen estimates to represent peak output measured at 30 secs (my earlier gray tables were based on a later time point for Max output). Please see http://www.flashlightreviews.ca/FL1.htm for a discussion, and a description of all the terms used in these tables.



    Max output and throw are quite reasonable for this class. The reported ANSI FL-1 output max spec seems a little inflated (i.e., the TR51 is in keeping with my other high-output 2x18650 XM-L lights). But the 31,5000cd peak beam intensity is quite believable (my standard light meter tends to report at the low end of most meters – I have a NIST-calibrated meter on the way, and will update the review when it arrives).

    The low mode is also quite reasonable.

    Output/Runtime Comparison:





    As you can see, there is a step-down in max output that occurs after 14mins on all batteries (appears to be a timed step-down).





    Overall efficiency on Med/Hi seems remarkably comparable to the Fenix TK35 and Eagletac M3C4 – two lights that are known to have good controlled-circuits. :thumbsups:

    Potential Issues

    While all 18650 button/flat-top styles – and all battery heights – worked in the light, some of the wider high-capacity 18650 cells may not fit in the battery tube holes. For example, all my 4GREER 3100mA cells fit (a bit snug at times), but a number of my XTAR 3100mA cells wouldn't go down.

    Ergonomics are good on the light, although grip could be enhanced further with some actual knurling.

    The top part of the battery tube is continuous with the battery wells (which is good), but the tailcap is screwed onto the base. Screws seem good quality (hex-head), and were tightly fixed on my sample. But you should keep an eye on them to ensure they don't loosen with time, which could affect waterproofness.

    Preliminary Observations

    To date, I've been impressed with the innovation, quality construction and excellent circuit performance of the Rofis lights. I'm happy to say the TR51 continues in this tradition.

    The TR51 has a distinctive look, even among the other side-by-side style 2x18650 class lights I've reviewed previously. The battery arrangement and head design is definitely novel. The dual switch interface (i.e., physical clicky switch in the tailcap, electronic mode-changing side-switch in the head) is intuitive, and worked well in my testing.

    The build feels solid, while maintaining a very compact shape. Unlike a lot of lights, this is one that both Mrs Selfbuilt and I could use comfortably (she finds many of my higher-output lights to too bulky or awkward to hold and use in her petite hands). To quote the old deodorant soap commercial – "manly yes, but I like it too!".

    I like the fact that there is no battery carrier (solid metal ones add bulk, and plastic ones often feel rather fragile). The only challenge here is that some the wider protected high-capacity cells may not fit down the tubes (an issue for one of my Panasonic 3100mAh NCR18650A-based brands).

    User interface is good, and I like seeing the blinky modes well hidden. I also like seeing the slow beacon mode – something I find far more useful than "tactical" high-frequency disorienting strobes.

    As with the other Rofis lights I've tested, the regulation pattern and output/runtime efficiency of the current-controlled circuit was excellent. As always, Rofis seems to have remarkably similar circuits to Fenix. I'm glad to see the support for primary CR123As has also been maintained.

    Beam pattern is very good for a light this size, with significant throw and spill.

    Frankly, I see this light hitting all the major points most people look for in a compact, high-output light. It is very much a goldilocks models – one that I suspect fits "just right" for the needs of many. Definitely a strong contender for this class.

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    TR51 provided by SBFlashlights.com for review.
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    Thanks for the excellent review - yours are the gold-standard of reviews

    To me the Rofis TR51 seems superior to the Fenix TK35 on many counts
    (more compact, no plastic battery carrier, hopefully no rattling either, slightly more throw)

    My Fenix TK35's reflector misted up and I couldn't access it because threadlock was used for it.
    Is it possible to gain access to the TR51's reflector by unscrewing the metal plate in the head with the 2 holes or is this plate also threadlocked?
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    Excellent review as always. Selfbuilt!
    Thanks a lot for posting the review. The light looks very well-made & sturdy, and it shows good performance for the features.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easilyled View Post
    My Fenix TK35's reflector misted up and I couldn't access it because threadlock was used for it.
    Is it possible to gain access to the TR51's reflector by unscrewing the metal plate in the head with the 2 holes or is this plate also threadlocked?
    Hmmm, haven't tried. It's not uncommon see a lot of threadlocked (or even pressed-fit) heads. Manufacturers generally don't want to facilitate ease of access, it seems - likely because of the difficulty it can cause for heads losening over time, contact issues, etc. And most of the time, there is little the end user can replace anyway (except in terms of modding, of course).

    Out of curiosty, what kind of misting has occured on your TK35?

    Quote Originally Posted by candle lamp View Post
    Excellent review as always. Selfbuilt!
    Thanks a lot for posting the review. The light looks very well-made & sturdy, and it shows good performance for the features.
    Thanks. Rofis seems to be doing a good job on all their lights so far. I'm curious to see what else they come up with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    Out of curiosty, what kind of misting has occured on your TK35?
    The reflector in the TK35 instead of appearing bright and reflective seems to have a layer of "mist" on it which is noticable when the TK35 is lit at all levels when looking at an angle at it. (Obviously I'm not going to look at it end-on!!)

    When the TK35 is not lit-up, I don't notice anything. However on all my other lights the reflectors look clear when lit-up.
    Therefore, I thought that if I could just open up the head that I might be able to "air" the reflector and solve the problem. Unfortunately I can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by easilyled View Post
    The reflector in the TK35 instead of appearing bright and reflective seems to have a layer of "mist" on it which is noticable when the TK35 is lit at all levels when looking at an angle at it. (Obviously I'm not going to look at it end-on!!) ...
    Therefore, I thought that if I could just open up the head that I might be able to "air" the reflector and solve the problem.
    I see. Could be some sort of condensed out-gassing builld up (likely from whatever they used to seal the head in the first place!). Cyanoacrylates could certainly do that - especially after the light has been used for awhile (i.e., the heat accelerating the out-gassing). Haven't noticed any issue on my Fenix TK35, but it has only had sporadic use for testing.

    For what it's worth, I've seen a few other lights with sealed heads develop "fogging" of the lens over time. Doesn't really seem to affect the beam appreciably though.

    I tried to open up my Rofis TR51 head, but my basic-model snap-ring pliers were bending before the centre disc would turn, so I gave up. It might be possible with a better tool (i.e., small-tip needle-nose pliers). But I don't have anything that would fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    I see. Could be some sort of condensed out-gassing builld up (likely from whatever they used to seal the head in the first place!). Cyanoacrylates could certainly do that - especially after the light has been used for awhile (i.e., the heat accelerating the out-gassing). Haven't noticed any issue on my Fenix TK35, but it has only had sporadic use for testing.

    For what it's worth, I've seen a few other lights with sealed heads develop "fogging" of the lens over time. Doesn't really seem to affect the beam appreciably though.

    I tried to open up my Rofis TR51 head, but my basic-model snap-ring pliers were bending before the centre disc would turn, so I gave up. It might be possible with a better tool (i.e., small-tip needle-nose pliers). But I don't have anything that would fit.
    Yes, its more usual for a lens to fog up than a reflector, I think.

    Thanks for trying to open the Rofis TR51 head anyway. It doesn't sound as if its easy to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by easilyled View Post
    Yes, its more usual for a lens to fog up than a reflector, I think.
    It's probably just more noticeable, given how clear the lens has to be. Anything that coats the inside of the lens is proably misting up the reflector too.

    Of course, I suppose it's possible that you are having some sort of breakdown of the reflector proper. I've gone back to my original TK35 review from over a year ago, and the reflector looks pretty much the same today. Of course, it was never perfectly smooth to begin with.

    Thanks for trying to open the Rofis TR51 head anyway. It doesn't sound as if its easy to do so.
    It may be - as with all things, you just need the right tool for the job. My snap-ring pliers have grown increasingly unreliable, I think it may be time for an upgrade.
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    Good work selfbuilt! After tinkering with it I realize you could use the head twisting as an on/off method. A bit less hand positioning required vs the rear switch

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    Quote Originally Posted by jake25 View Post
    Good work selfbuilt! After tinkering with it I realize you could use the head twisting as an on/off method. A bit less hand positioning required vs the rear switch
    Hmmm, that would work, but it would mean leaving the head almost halway unscrewed. While there are certainly enough threads to keep it stable at that level, waterproofness would be compromised as you are above the o-ring seal. Still, it would work for someone who needed frequent on/off and didn't want to change hand positions. Just don't drop it in puddle this way ...
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    Thanks for this great review!
    There's one thing that I noticed when I compared the TR51 with the Fenix TK35 last week. It was the other way round than in your review. The TK35 was more throwy, while the TR51 had a more floody beam. Maybe there's a series variance with both lights.

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    I ordered the Rofis within three minutes after reading this (excellent as usual) review.

    Thanks for keeping us so well informed!

    Brightnorm


    PS: I just saw this in Bigmac's review. Did you notice any of that flickering?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigmac_79 View Post
    ...PWM: I cannot detect PWM on any mode, however, Medium and Low mode show a certain amount of "flickering". On Medium, the effect is not visible but it is measurable (see runtime graph below). On Low mode it can be very visible. The light does not go off, but has rapid flickers of dim and bright. My guess is this is due to the circuit's attempt to regulate the output at very low current levels. Overall, the output keeps a solid average, but there is significant flickering around that average....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lichtinsdunkel View Post
    There's one thing that I noticed when I compared the TR51 with the Fenix TK35 last week. It was the other way round than in your review. The TK35 was more throwy, while the TR51 had a more floody beam. Maybe there's a series variance with both lights.
    Interesting, must be. I know they upgraded the emitter on the TK35 to the U2 output bin, maybe they also adjusted the reflector? Mine is an older batch of TK35.

    Quote Originally Posted by brightnorm View Post
    PS: I just saw this in Bigmac's review. Did you notice any of that flickering?
    No, no sign of flickering on any level on my sample. I would note that in the review if I had.
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    Last night I briefly compared the Rofis and Fenix TK35. Although at 6" the Rofis is 1/2" shorter than the TK35, and with what appears to be a shallower reflector, it manages to throw as well or better. (My TK35 has the pre-U bin XM-L and I suspect it would equal or possibly pull slightly ahead of the Rofis with the brighter U Bin). In addition, the Rofis has that excellent head-mounted mode switch which is so much more convenient than the TK35's tail-mounted one. Perhaps a future version could completely replace the master tail switch with a single TM11-like head switch? Barring that, an "off" mode. (Of course you'd have to remember to click off the master switch when not using the light).

    Two nitpicks: the tail could be made smaller through a single smooth design, instead of being "double-stepped". This would permit smoother, non-snagging holster insertion. Also, a better lanyard hole design for solid tail-standing is to have two side-by-side holes. This eliminates having the lanyard go under the tail. I would like to see this on other lights as well. All told, the Rofis is a really terrific little light which, as Selfbuilt puts it "is very much a goldilocks model"

    Brightnorm
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    Given the many advantages of this light I am surprised at the lack of interest.

    Brightnorm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lichtinsdunkel View Post
    Thanks for this great review!
    There's one thing that I noticed when I compared the TR51 with the Fenix TK35 last week. It was the other way round than in your review. The TK35 was more throwy, while the TR51 had a more floody beam. Maybe there's a series variance with both lights.
    I have compared both lights again at a different location. Apparently my eyes were blinded in the first comparison. The TR51 is more throwy than the TK35.
    Sorry for this false information!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lichtinsdunkel View Post
    I have compared both lights again at a different location. Apparently my eyes were blinded in the first comparison. The TR51 is more throwy than the TK35.
    Sorry for this false information!
    Thanks for the update, appreciate the clarification.
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    On the box, the mode button is with the battery tubes flat,
    your sample the mode button is with battery tube 'side on',.. if that makes sense.
    (90 degree difference)

    Do users pick the mode switch position?




    On other thing, the light Specs state Over-charge protection for low voltage,
    wouldn't the wording be Over-discharge protection?

    nice light~

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    Quote Originally Posted by orbital View Post
    On the box, the mode button is with the battery tubes flat,
    your sample the mode button is with battery tube 'side on',.. if that makes sense.
    (90 degree difference)
    Do users pick the mode switch position?
    Yes, the user can. I am showing the light with the head fully tight on my sample (which lines the button up with the sides). But you could back the head off a quarter turn to have the button flush with the middle of the handle. Because of how the contact disc works, you can loosen the head by quite a few turns before contact is lost.

    On other thing, the light Specs state Over-charge protection for low voltage,
    wouldn't the wording be Over-discharge protection?
    Presumably yes.
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    Default Re: Rofis TR51 (XM-L U2, 2x18650/4xCR123A) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO and mor

    I am concerned about the ID of the battery holders. In one part of the thread it is stated in a list that the battery compartment tube ID is 18.5mm. I searched for the NCR18650B and find the OD as 18.4 +-0.3. Do you think the battery compartment tubes could be bored out by 0.2mm without damageing the light?

    I know the Fenix 35 u2 has a battery carrier and that is not preferable, but could it probably take the larger 18650B cell.

    I found the standard 18650 cell size to be 18mm x 65mm and the larger capacity cells are longer and larger diameter than 18mm x 65mm.

    If the battery compartment could not be easily enlarged (bottom plate removed, does that give you full access to the battery compartment so you could enlarge the bore diameter) then that could be a restriction of the larger cells now and even larger designs in the future.

    Bob Weis

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    Default Re: Rofis TR51 (XM-L U2, 2x18650/4xCR123A) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO and mor

    Quote Originally Posted by RWeis View Post
    I am concerned about the ID of the battery holders. In one part of the thread it is stated in a list that the battery compartment tube ID is 18.5mm. I searched for the NCR18650B and find the OD as 18.4 +-0.3. Do you think the battery compartment tubes could be bored out by 0.2mm without damageing the light?
    Not sure how much leeway you would have to bore out the tubes further yourself. Removing the bottom plate should facilitate this, but it is a gamble.

    BTW, I haven't seen any specific ID measures for the battery wells on this light. Based on my one sample, I would say it is a little larger than 18.5mm (i.e. my 4GREER cells fit - snuggly - and I know they exceed 18.6mm at their widest points). But the fact remains that my sample is too narrow for some higher capacity cells. It is possible that Rofis may have improved on this - I would confirm with a dealer before ordering the light, if you plan to use wider cells.
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    Default Re: Rofis TR51 (XM-L U2, 2x18650/4xCR123A) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO and mor

    Well, looking for 18650 physical data I ran across this link:
    http://lygte-info.dk/review/batterie...mary%20UK.html

    That and along with other comments:
    BTW, I haven't seen any specific ID measures for the battery wells on this light. Based on my one sample, I would say it is a little larger than 18.5mm (i.e. my 4GREER cells fit - snuggly - and I know they exceed 18.6mm at their widest points). A micrometer or calipers are good measurement tools for the diameter.

    You have to make your own ruler on the cell diameter part. Then go to the 4GREER cell and mark your ruler, and almost anything less in diameter than that should fit. I think the review was done with AW cells. If you go to the AW cells you see they are significantly smaller in diameter than most cells and should fit just fine.

    Also on the link page is a discussion of HOW the protected cell is structured and what are the components. You can see what adds to the basic diameter of a cell by having the protected components integrated.

    Anyway, I thought it might help add information to the availability of which cells should work in a Rofis TR51.

    Bob Weis

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    I emailed Rofis and asked them the size of the battery tubes and what cells they recommend to fit into them that are protected and 18650, 18650A, 18650B size. Should be interesting to see what they reply.

    Bob Weis

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    Default Re: Rofis TR51 (XM-L U2, 2x18650/4xCR123A) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO and mor

    Answer from Rofis on battery tube inside diameter:

    "This is Joyce from Rofis, thanks very much for your interest in Rofis TR51,this light is loved by many people, and we test the inside diameter of the tube is 18.8mm, so as long as the 18650 diameter less than 18.8mm, and the length is less than 70mm, it will be used on Rofis TR51."

    From that and the comment about the 4GEER (18.6 mm) being snug, I would think any 18650 that is 18.6 or less should fit just fine. 1 mm = .039" and 2 mm = .079" (a "tad" to spare (snug)).

    I am going with 18.6 mm being maximum 18650 diameter.

    Just as an aside, when I get my TR51 I am going to highly polish the inner bore of the battery tubes to be sure there are no burrs or rough surfaces that would impede an 18.6 mm diameter 18650.

    Bob Weis
    Last edited by RWeis; 03-20-2013 at 09:04 PM. Reason: incorrect decimal stated

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    Default Re: Rofis TR51 (XM-L U2, 2x18650/4xCR123A) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO and mor

    Purchases a TR51, XTAR SP2, 2@ Orbtronic 3400mAh 18650, will let you know how the batteres fit.

    Bob Weis

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    Default Re: Rofis TR51 (XM-L U2, 2x18650/4xCR123A) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO and mor

    All the pieces finally came.

    First off the OrbTronic 3400 mAh protected 18650 (18650B's) fit perfectly. Slid right in, no slop, no rattle. Length was fine also. They came charged to 3.6 v and I did not top them off, just thought I would run them down to the low voltage warning and then recharge them.

    The batteries came with a storage box.

    The light was package as described. Functioned as described perfectly. I walk the dog to a large field, then turn him loose to run where ever as I walk around the perimeter of the field. The medium power setting gives a really clear light on your path out to about 10 feet. On the street the low power setting is perfect for showing you and the dog when cars come by. The high setting is good for tracking the dog in the field, The turbo mode was overkill in tracking the dog as the field is only about 200' on a side. Did use turbo to spot an owl about 100 + yards in a pine tree.

    The light fits your hand really well. I imagined the light was going to be bulkier, but it fits you hand really well. The tail cap click switch is easy to use with your middle finger. The lanyard attaches securly and is a comfort to know you are not going to drop the light.

    All in all, great light, very pleased I picked this light, very functional, very compact, very easy to handle one handed.

    Bob Weis

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    Default Re: Rofis TR51 (XM-L U2, 2x18650/4xCR123A) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO and mor

    Quote Originally Posted by RWeis View Post
    First off the OrbTronic 3400 mAh protected 18650 (18650B's) fit perfectly. Slid right in, no slop, no rattle. Length was fine also. They came charged to 3.6 v and I did not top them off, just thought I would run them down to the low voltage warning and then recharge them
    Glad the light met your expectations. I agree, Turbo is generally overkill for most situations with these lights - Med and Hi do fine for most situations.

    In terms of the batteries, there's no reason to let them run down that far. It's better in fact to keep them regularly topped up.

    Enjoy the light.
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    Default Re: Rofis TR51 (XM-L U2, 2x18650/4xCR123A) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO and mor

    I need some help.
    I charged my 18650 today in the xtar SP2 until both were green, Measured the voltage at 8.28 with the cells in the TR51 tubes and the click switch clicked. So far fine. Turned off the click switch and screwed on the head. clicked the switch and NOTHING. I heard the tab engage the slot in the cell handle and hold as the head was tightened down. Zero output.

    Ideas?

    Bob Weis

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    Default Re: Rofis TR51 (XM-L U2, 2x18650/4xCR123A) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO and mor

    Quote Originally Posted by RWeis View Post
    I charged my 18650 today in the xtar SP2 until both were green, Measured the voltage at 8.28 with the cells in the TR51 tubes and the click switch clicked. So far fine. Turned off the click switch and screwed on the head. clicked the switch and NOTHING. I heard the tab engage the slot in the cell handle and hold as the head was tightened down. Zero output.
    Hmm, first step is to rule out the tail switch. Since you have a DMM, you could try measuring the connectivity/resistance of the switch before and after clicking (it should change). Just insert the probes down the battery wells and see if anything changes with clicking.

    But easiest is just to align the cells against the head in the proper orientation (i.e., paying attention to how the polarity normally lines up when the board locks in place), and then connect the exposed ends of the cells with a piece of copper wire (or something conductive). The light should come on immediately (i.e., you are bypassing the switch this way, and directly connecting the cells to the head).

    The above will help you sort out if the issue is in the tailcap or the head.
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