MBI #3 - Codename: HF

[the_guy_with_no_name]

Does it go back up to 680 lumen again after letting the battery rest?

Hi pjandyho,

The main cause of the initial lumen loss is heat build up at the LED.

A few quick bursts, allowing the battery to rest in between should give a similar result but as the battery begins to lose charge, its peak also probably loses some power too.

I can measure it precisely when I have a chance, perhaps sometime over the weekend.

Trits would be sweet!

Maybe you could consider changing the position of the planned trit slots so that they can be used as high/low indicators....

Hi Ward,

The existing trit slots would work fine, but would need one more added to the body so you know which position you are in.
Allow me to reiterate though that I think you will get along just fine, even with your eyes closed

Trits are always cool

For now, the trits will have to be a DIY thing as there are restrictions on radioactive isotopes where I'm at, unless some trits magically arrive in the post.

tgwnn

[Cataract]

Could there be anything more powerful ??





tgwnn

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Hmmmm.... nuuuuuuke awrrrrrrhhh

Hi Smokelaw1,

Thanks and no problem. Its a valid question.

As mentioned, I found that after a couple of days, I had no problems at all.
Kind of unconscious body memory.

I have to admit though, its fun to play with the endlessly rotating switch.

Im not so against the markings, but I like inconspicuous things and though I played around with some designs, I ended up asking myself "who the hell can see the markings in the dark anyway?"


Some of the early concepts.....








Anywayz....
when I shrunk it down to actual size, and then thought about in the dark....

Maybe a combination of brail + engraved/printing could work though.

Then again, Ti looks mighty fine when its pure.

tgwnn

I would have gone for a thunderbolt and a nuke sign But really, this being a flashaholic only light, it's probably better without any markings other than a serial number. Let people ask "what the Flashlight is it???!!"

Ready to be blown away?
Test results just back from the lab....
performed with no glass lens in the HF
[...]
680 Holy F#*lashlight Lumens

[...]



tgwnn

HOLY FLASHLIGHT, BATMAN!

[pjandyho]

Wonder if the next one would be modeled after a screw or a wrench?

[the_guy_with_no_name]

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Hmmmm.... nuuuuuuke awrrrrrrhhh

I would have gone for a thunderbolt and a nuke sign But really, this being a flashaholic only light, it's probably better without any markings other than a serial number. Let people ask "what the Flashlight is it???!!"

HOLY FLASHLIGHT, BATMAN!

Hi Cataract,
same same
after everything, seeings it just blended in so well with a handfull of real bolts, I figured the incognito look might be best after all.

Wonder if the next one would be modeled after a screw or a wrench?

Hi pjandyho,

ahhh, if only you could see what Im seeing


I must admit, I'm kind of itching to do a few XP-G's, and XP-E's too.
Non-flashaholics are always so easily impressed by a very bright hotspot

tgwnn

[MT_155]

How about:

- for Low

- for High

Or 'L' and 'HF'.

Alternatively i think the raised dots idea works well, graphics detract from the simplicity of the device for me, as opposed to the battery where 'MBI Nuke' is fantastic!
Tho whatever you do i'll be buying one.

[xpshooter]

Hi,

As to the beveled edges, I was more concerned about the point of the hex than I was the .1 mm that you indicated for the flat part of the hex.

And 680 --> 560 lumens does justice to it's name

The difficult thing for me it to figure out wether the torpedo or HF will get keychain duty. I may have to carry them both so they don't get lonely.

Have a good day,

xpshooter

[Cataract]

How about:

- for Low

- for High

Or 'L' and 'HF'.

Alternatively i think the raised dots idea works well, graphics detract from the simplicity of the device for me, as opposed to the battery where 'MBI Nuke' is fantastic!
Tho whatever you do i'll be buying one.

L and HF in raised letters, excellent idea and that means the name of the light IS printed on it. Plus, it would be very easy to feel in the dark. I vote for that! You could also put this on the box:
60 lumens
680 lumens

[Got Lumens?]

Wonder if the next one would be modeled after a screw or a wrench?

Dang,
I thought we agreed in the last thread to give Match Box Heavy Industries a rest until this whole flashlight thing evolves . . .

While in hardware mode, how about a nail or a hammer

GL

[Got Lumens?]

Caution, Random inbound Thought Post Warning.

Since this will be Bare, Brushed, or Blasted Titanium, Rather than have the machine shop CNC it into the body...
Have you considered lasering in a few dots, markings, or something?
I mean deeper than just standard laser etching? I don't want to driveup the cost of this little gem, but if that works to be economical, You could even go ar far as etching some threads and go for the real bolt look, I dunno.

End of random thought. Please return to this thread in progress.
GL

[Cataract]

Dang,
I thought we agreed in the last thread to give Match Box Heavy Industries a rest until this whole flashlight thing evolves . . .

While in hardware mode, how about a nail or a hammer

GL

How about a box of 3-4 inch nails with a diffused head at somewhere between 5-20 lumens that could be used in the backyard or while camping? Just plant them in the ground and instant light fest! Runs on one AA for ~20 hours. Maybe they could have bluetooth connectivity and blink in a series like landing strip lights and they could blast 1000 lumens bursts with nukes in them.

[FsTop]

I can't see any need for markings or dots - who are you trying to communicate with, and what is it that is so complex that you can't try one direction and then the other??

The owner will know how to use it unless he suddenly has a seizure, and anyone who finds this light on the street will learn how to use it in about three seconds by experimentation. I vote for leaving it plain and unadorned, like the 44DD.

[Cataract]

I can't see any need for markings or dots - who are you trying to communicate with, and what is it that is so complex that you can't try one direction and then the other??

The owner will know how to use it unless he suddenly has a seizure, and anyone who finds this light on the street will learn how to use it in about three seconds by experimentation. I vote for leaving it plain and unadorned, like the 44DD.

Yay! plain and unadorned! I'll just take it no matter what. I kinda prefer plain, but HF mode just sounds cool, that's it.

[DBCstm]

If plain and unadorned puts it in my hand in 6 weeks or less, perfect! (Not impatient or anything but I sense darkness approaching and want to be ready!)

[DBCstm]

My version of GL's random thought...wonder how hard it would be to modify the head of an old mini mag to screw onto the HF, extending the throw and acting as a heat sink for those times when you know you're gonna need some big time illumination for a few minutes (easily carried in the pocket awaiting such an endeavor)? Hmmmmm......

[Got Lumens?]

I can't see any need for markings or dots - who are you trying to communicate with, and what is it that is so complex that you can't try one direction and then the other??

The owner will know how to use it unless he suddenly has a seizure, and anyone who finds this light on the street will learn how to use it in about three seconds by experimentation. I vote for leaving it plain and unadorned, like the 44DD.

I respect your ideas. Plain(unadored) is good. That decision is Guy's. My idea was pure inspriration, for everyones input, and to benifit Guy with any other future project. I did not post it to make the HF complicated. I posted because I felt it would add uniqueness that Guy is building a reputation for making. I appologize if my post upset you, and was not my intent.
GL

[the_guy_with_no_name]

How about:

- for Low

- for High

Or 'L' and 'HF'.

Alternatively i think the raised dots idea works well, graphics detract from the simplicity of the device for me, as opposed to the battery where 'MBI Nuke' is fantastic!
Tho whatever you do i'll be buying one.

Hi MT,

I agree about the graphics, especially in Ti.
L & HF is a very cool idea though

Hi,
As to the beveled edges, I was more concerned about the point of the hex than I was the .1 mm that you indicated for the flat part of the hex.
And 680 --> 560 lumens does justice to it's name

The difficult thing for me it to figure out wether the torpedo or HF will get keychain duty. I may have to carry them both so they don't get lonely.
Have a good day,
xpshooter

Hi xpshooter,
About the edges, I think adding a slight bevel to them all will solve the issue.
I have the HF on my keychain now
Brass Torpedo lives in a pocket.

L and HF in raised letters, excellent idea and that means the name of the light IS printed on it. Plus, it would be very easy to feel in the dark. I vote for that! You could also put this on the box:
60 lumens
680 lumens

If only we could get the box to be animated
No box for the HF though (that would be a little too simple)

Dang,
I thought we agreed in the last thread to give Match Box Heavy Industries a rest until this whole flashlight thing evolves . . .

While in hardware mode, how about a nail or a hammer

GL

Hi GL,
Actually I had matches in mind

Caution, Random inbound Thought Post Warning.

Since this will be Bare, Brushed, or Blasted Titanium, Rather than have the machine shop CNC it into the body...
Have you considered lasering in a few dots, markings, or something?
I mean deeper than just standard laser etching? I don't want to driveup the cost of this little gem, but if that works to be economical, You could even go ar far as etching some threads and go for the real bolt look, I dunno.
End of random thought. Please return to this thread in progress.
GL

Laser etched could work, but raised would be easier to feel/detect with the fingers.
I had thought about adding some wide (4mm) bolt threads to the body too.
Wide, but only about 1mm in height.

How about a box of 3-4 inch nails with a diffused head at somewhere between 5-20 lumens that could be used in the backyard or while camping? Just plant them in the ground and instant light fest! Runs on one AA for ~20 hours. Maybe they could have bluetooth connectivity and blink in a series like landing strip lights and they could blast 1000 lumens bursts with nukes in them.

Hi Cataract,
Yes, available but as matches, in a matchbox
No bluetooth just yet

I can't see any need for markings or dots - who are you trying to communicate with, and what is it that is so complex that you can't try one direction and then the other??

The owner will know how to use it unless he suddenly has a seizure, and anyone who finds this light on the street will learn how to use it in about three seconds by experimentation. I vote for leaving it plain and unadorned, like the 44DD.

Hi FsTop,
Well said! +10
You have to trust me on this and like FsTop says, unless you are in the midst of a seizure, its pretty hard to get it wrong.

Yay! plain and unadorned! I'll just take it no matter what. I kinda prefer plain, but HF mode just sounds cool, that's it.

+1

If plain and unadorned puts it in my hand in 6 weeks or less, perfect! (Not impatient or anything but I sense darkness approaching and want to be ready!)

Hi DBC,
speed, speed, speed!
working on that and counting the days.

My version of GL's random thought...wonder how hard it would be to modify the head of an old mini mag to screw onto the HF, extending the throw and acting as a heat sink for those times when you know you're gonna need some big time illumination for a few minutes (easily carried in the pocket awaiting such an endeavor)? Hmmmmm......

The head is the easy part. Its gaining value as an add-on heatsink that would be tricky.
I do have plans for a miniature thrower though.
Perhaps the XP-E is a step in that direction.


tgwnn

[the_guy_with_no_name]

I respect your ideas. Plain(unadored) is good. That decision is Guy's. My idea was pure inspriration, for everyones input, and to benifit Guy with any other future project. I did not post it to make the HF complicated. I posted because I felt it would add uniqueness that Guy is building a reputation for making. I appologize if my post upset you, and was not my intent.
GL

Hi GL,

Thanks for the post.
I think don't think FsTop's post a direct reply to yours, rather a general one
Its easy to get carried away with ideas and details (I do it on a daily basis), but no need to worry about it, and absolutely every single idea is welcomed!!

Just like the ELO and selector ring in the torpedo thread, you never know where a crazy idea may lead so no need to hold back.

We are all just a bunch of passionate folks, openly discussing ideas and our hobby.
Certainly nothing wrong with that

Im most certain FsTop knows that, rather he was perhaps pointing out, that whilst the ideas are fun, in practical terms, they may not have any impact on the UI in practical terms.

after a few days with HF, I dont think I'd bother looking for dots or the like, left/right is pretty easy to remember even for someone as forgetful as me

[xpshooter]

Hi,

Here is a request that I think a few of us may find interesting, but I do not expect it.

It would be like ground zero to the all the postes TGWNN has headed up and we all took part of, here and with the torpedo.

Due to the fact that I have worked in manufactuing factories for a few years,

- I would love to see these flashlights or the torpedo being manufactured from the begining raw stock through the final packaging.

Have a good Day,

xpshooter

[the_guy_with_no_name]

Hi,

Here is a request that I think a few of us may find interesting, but I do not expect it.

It would be like ground zero to the all the postes TGWNN has headed up and we all took part of, here and with the torpedo.

Due to the fact that I have worked in manufactuing factories for a few years,

- I would love to see these flashlights or the torpedo being manufactured from the begining raw stock through the final packaging.

Have a good Day,

xpshooter

Hi xpshooter,

That's a great request!

Let me check with the workshop on that
Can't promise anything yet though.

tgwnn

[DBCstm]

Did I mention that my 5DMkII does full HD 1920x1080 Video? Indeed, it would be very cool to see them being made after all the input and ideas we've had. Wish I could take a vacation and come for a visit, lol!

[climberkid]

You guys talking like what Jason (Dark Sucks) did with his manufacturing videos?

[xpshooter]

Hi xpshooter,

That's a great request!

Let me check with the workshop on that
Can't promise anything yet though.

tgwnn

Thank You, I felt as accomadating as you have been meeting our requests I thought I would request it.


On a battery related ? - What kind of cells are the nukes?
I have an RC car battery charger that can charge 1 cell and it wants to know, Li-Ion 3.6 nominal V, Li-Polymer 3.7 nominal V, or Li-FePO4 3.3 nominal V

What charge rate do you suggest for the nuke 10250's or the batteries you are planning upon suppling ?

It appears the lowest my charger will go is 100ma, is this ok?

Thanks

XPshooter

[the_guy_with_no_name]

Did I mention that my 5DMkII does full HD 1920x1080 Video? Indeed, it would be very cool to see them being made after all the input and ideas we've had. Wish I could take a vacation and come for a visit, lol!

Hi DBC,
Please send that to me
(just kidding)

You guys talking like what Jason (Dark Sucks) did with his manufacturing videos?

Hi Alex,
Haven't seen those, let me check....

Thank You, I felt as accomadating as you have been meeting our requests I thought I would request it.

On a battery related ? - What kind of cells are the nukes?
I have an RC car battery charger that can charge 1 cell and it wants to know, Li-Ion 3.6 nominal V, Li-Polymer 3.7 nominal V, or Li-FePO4 3.3 nominal V

What charge rate do you suggest for the nuke 10250's or the batteries you are planning upon suppling ?

It appears the lowest my charger will go is 100ma, is this ok?

Thanks

XPshooter

Hi XPshooter,

Happy to please when I'm able to!!

The nuke's, Li-ion (with cobalt, zinc, carbon).
3.7 nominal

Recommended charge rate for maximum life is 160mA or less.
Anything up to 320mA is safe.

So 100mA is just fine.

Keep in mind, we are already placing the battery under near peak load with the high discharge rate.

I think I posted the specs of these to the Torpedo thread way back.....
let me see if I can find the summary, if not I can just remake it.

Thanks,
tgwnn

[Got Lumens?]

Hi,

Here is a request that I think a few of us may find interesting, but I do not expect it.
It would be like ground zero to the all the postes TGWNN has headed up and we all took part of, here and with the torpedo.
Due to the fact that I have worked in manufactuing factories for a few years,

- I would love to see these flashlights or the torpedo being manufactured from the begining raw stock through the final packaging.

Have a good Day,
xpshooter

That's an awsome idea

[the_guy_with_no_name]

That's an awsome idea

Yes, its is.
I sent a request to the workshop.
Will keep you posted.


Im thinking a AA version, might be a good follow up to the 10250 HF.
If I get some AA Nukes made, pushing an XM-L to 1000 lumens will be a trivial thing as long as the heat can be handled.

tgwnn

[Zeruel]

Im thinking a AA version, might be a good follow up to the 10250 HF.
If I get some AA Nukes made, pushing an XM-L to 1000 lumens will be a trivial thing as long as the heat can be handled.

tgwnn

Did you just say AA version!?!

[the_guy_with_no_name]

Did you just say AA version!?!

Hi Zeruel,

yes Im going through some specs now.

As I think it through though, maybe a 16340/CR123 might make more sense.
The only reason being that to hit the 1000lumens, will require MBI Nukes in AA size, but 1.5v AA's would not work in direct drive.

If I made 16340/CR123 version, tweaking it to allow primary (non-rechargeable) CR123's which are 3V and above the Vf of the LED (minimum driving voltage) should be fine, so you could use these in an emergency or as a fallback, and then I'd plan to make an MBI Nuke 123 size, which can handle peaks in excess of 10A.

The resulting light compared to AA.... width wouldn't be affected and length might be shorter.
Perhaps the first sub 10cm 1000 lumen light (but I should not mention such things at such an early stage, in case...)
I'd have to plan for a 1cm thick, solid copper slug for a heatsink to prevent fires

tgwnn

[xpshooter]

Hi,

With that much power we will be able to cook the full meal, not just a can of soup

Oh what the heck, how about somthing for the comercial cooking market - what is possible with a 32650
-- This might be like the audi commercial vaporizing the zombies in the headlights

Have a Good Day,

XPshooter

[the_guy_with_no_name]

Hi,

With that much power we will be able to cook the full meal, not just a can of soup

Oh what the heck, how about somthing for the comercial cooking market - what is possible with a 32650
-- This might be like the audi commercial vaporizing the zombies in the headlights

Have a Good Day,

XPshooter

Hi XP,

Not sure on the 32650 but I had them spec a 22650 already.
20A constant and 40A peaks, not a problem.

I think with that much power, we'll be needing pure copper bars, 1cm thick for the wiring and active cooling to prevent the whole thing from melting

tgwnn

[Zeruel]

As I think it through though, maybe a 16340/CR123 might make more sense.
The only reason being that to hit the 1000lumens, will require MBI Nukes in AA size, but 1.5v AA's would not work in direct drive.

If that's the case, will 14500 work?