New Defiant hl

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(Now, Know this is an XP-g)

I just impulsively purchased a $18 Home Depot Defiant 117 lumen HL (one high power and 6 rgw leds).

I cannot tell the type of high power emitter without very strong magnification glass. Looks like my xpg with naked eye.

Since specs are BS, I will hang on to my receipt until reply with emitter type.

Too early to post comment about it: Yes, not water proof (need to pay more and not needed for dry work lights), Yes, short band, though longer than some (will take breakin time); Generous hotspot (shallower than hp12), which is bright (meaning newer gen cree); a cree ring can be seen; not xpe or xpc, something larger; Neutral color; surely no controller; yes bad AAA format but very easily modifyable for AA; poor documentation.
 
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I'm always interested in the reports on inexpensive headlamps, so thanks!
I was using 1 of my 4 Fenix hp 11 hls for daily vaccuming and reading at night. I learned wife will make them disappear if I set down and forget-hates me looking over her hw with light. Also, not good for cord to fall asleep with/on, if need for work. So there if a place for these sub twenty dollar lights.Also, you need a brick and mortor source for immediate breakage replacement, loss, or surge in a need, as in some big job.
 

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on job now. I just got 14 mega pixel pic of emitter and zoomed. The defiant emiiter looks liike my hp11 xpg, with four sections.
 

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tail cap reading here of .29 amp on fresh aaa alkaline and .22 on fresh nimh.also, the two mini leds are perfect for reading, current ther untested.
 

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tail cap reading here of .29 amp on fresh aaa alkaline and .22 on fresh nimh.also, the two mini leds are perfect for reading, current ther untested.
 

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the two low power white leds pull 40 milliamps with nimh. Green 40 and red 50.
 

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https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D6019894_600_713193712
That link is image of the Defiant xpg led.

I only have tested head to head against an HP11 and Lux1 deep reflector called Brinkman (On e barely used, that I use as reference for throw.) The output is similar to the Hp11 20 hour mode, with less discipline, larger hotspot and more wasted spill. For all my tasks I need crisp 20/10 vision--whether painting, sanding, house keeping, dust chasing, glue removing, threading needles, threading screws and spotting small items in a cluttered area. So, I prefer the HP11 beam-more so, because it uses nearly half the current. Also color was greener than the hp11, which I do not like. ... Against the Lux 1, it stomps it's butt on throw, spill, color, and hot spot size--making me happy. I am guessing r2 to r4 bin xpg. R3 or r4, based on current and 110 lumen spec. While, r2 based on bean counter and business logic.

I would say the HP 11 twenty hour setting has about 8 hours of extra runtime than my typical workday. The modification to 3 aa, should be super easy as switch just unscrews and you could modify it there. (I haven't got as far to see if one could buy a fenix like controller, or how hard to bypass the resistor.) The mod to a simple 3aa (I recommend 2 aa on rear, and one somewhere closer to front on center strap, for comfort) would be interesting: cost a total with hl of $25; runtime 11 +hours (with no pot) on Maha 2700s (much longer with pot); and ample light 12 foot detail work.

I will use the Defiant light for reading to kids, estimates, and house work. If I loose it, no big deal. I think $60 for a Fenix HP11 more suited for my business, and worth the extra price for on the job use. (Give me a cheap controller with fenix specs, the map for removing the resistor, and I would do a mod, for fun. )
 
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I just realized yesterday that the lens and reflector just pop off, with a screw driver. The board had very clear writing on it " XP-G R3"! So, this is a 126 lumen per watt led driven by 3 alkaline at .28 milliamp fresh for 110 lumens; and 3 NiMH at .22 for at least 80 lumens (probably more since under driven).

My runtime experience with 4 year old worn-out hybrids is 3 hours of useful light for painting. Then one of the three cells crash, prompting me to swap for new. In contrast, all my coleman Max xr-e offer me is about 45 minutes of useful painting light, then a swap. Lux per watt is more important for me than lumen/watt. So, while the reflector is shallow, the increase in efficiency is enough to make this light 3x to 4x more useful than my coleman max.

Again, contrasting it with the $12 home depot xr-c rayovac, the throw is less, compared with hi and (to a tiny degree) low. The xrc had tail cap reading with alkalines of 480 milliamps on high, and 160 on low. With first set of NiMH (not fresh off charger), I read exactly half, 240 hi and 80 low. I read briefly (before I broke the spring) on fresh off charger NiMH about 300 Hi and and 110 or 100 on low. I would conclude the $12 Rayovac to be the first AAA light that offered useful lux for a full 8 hours; the Defiant xpg to be a cheap good reading/house cleaning/estimate light. I made two wrist lights of my Rayvac with elastic, amazing goop, and velcro--The most practical design yet. The Fenix HP11 headlamp still stomps both homedepot lights' butt for output, runtime, overall usefullness, and value (at $60). Still, there is a place in my day and night for both of these inexpensive lights.
 
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