Aliens

who's into the conspiracy of aliens..?

i was reading the post on here about strobe lights and what are they useful for when it dawned on, ooo the old abducted efferts, people all over the world claiming so, ok if any one has been truly abducted then overt your eyes..lol

sinario, small craft travelling bililons of light years, tecnology beyond your dream... point one, uh big anul probe? not happening is it? it'd be a will smith and men in black gadget that fits into your watch.. amoungst other things.
next? why pick on the drunk ones late home to the missis? ok they may be more relaxed for that large inplimentasion divice, but well.. there are 'other' exsplanasions.

plan B..been a traveling for ooo, seems like years now, the humours ran out aboard ship, that probes been used for every implicasion going, it's lost its humour and 'oooo here that?'.........'sheeesh sounds like life in this here galaxy' of yu go to take a peek, after all they may hungry, or violent as a race, posabley far more advanced than your self, you dont want your jacksey investigated now do yu!
so, shhh stealth mode to observe, hmmm 'neighbours.. nothing but good neighbours', can image the suprise when you translated that garbage? yes the probes now first on the list and not the will smith edision!
next, the science programs, probably interprate as a bad humour program, the politicks and war? you'd freek in yu pants at it! so no obstructions you proceed.

hmmm russia, china? America? hmmmm who'd you contact? they all seem fair, just and unbiased to a fast profit, so at least one time in the sinario America would be on list. after all selling their mothers to be best, making slums bigger than the wealthy area's? who else would be fake n daft enough to sell the human bio mass.. ermm, detension camps build all over america? they put them secretly in other peoples countries? looks like we got a biznes offer here lads.. put that probe away no need to scare any one here.(the bio mass is coming back to bite you in the *** is it not?)

(check out the scientific findings on you tube..theyre exstensive and offer absolute proof that making a mystery is pritty darned easy lmao!!)

now then, to haisten to the mystery and the proof of you tube, WW2 German science had stealth planes, B52's and several others built, they didnt have the fuel to keep them up very long, theres actualy proof on them here and there, or at least very clever fakes that fooled the real folks that actualy know..and built them second hand.. but any way, these prove (aparently) theres a huge american conspiracy to sell human bio mass to the aliens, after all what are the concentrasion camps for? (ermm to imprison foreign peoples in the country at the time of war, a long shot but hey not as long as to sell people to aliens).
in reply, the other conspiricy agents are defending with a 'the american goverment is defending the planit with telsa tecnology, every now and then they actualy knock a ufo outa the sky yeh! and reverse enginere the findings, where else does tecnology come from?' (earl from kuntucky also admits his brother is his father and he thinks shingles is god's way of warning about taking the piggies out back for recreasion, earl if your reading dont worry your fictitous, secondly..sheeeesh you can read! and yehhh yu sister!).

so, the bottom line is, if your bum hurts after a night out, eather tell you were ermm, you knowed up the rear by unknowns, or make up a ufo? or keep stum of course.
the other option is, dont actualy visit marlein at the trailor site with less than 20 dollers...


why would you only attack the USA with only one ship? when you could go to wall mart in any third world country? hmmmm dubious as i am, would Bush sell folks for the fame and glory of power and tecnology? would you? hmmm, scarey bum probing earth mystic report from yours truly...(omg!! theres a mother ship the size of a planet with thousands of small crafts! nooooo the probes are big!!! and no one with a telescope can see it it, that is clever).

so why get a strobe light any way?


in all fairnes i want to add my bit. life orinated from a pulp of green algea goo that floated here? how the fe*k did any one still think we are the center of the universe? so, it sort of mildy implies we're some where inbetween the start and ermm, present end of a longgggggggggg sticky goo trial that arrives here and floats on offf and away..
statistics state alien life is more probable than god, and that god is actualy 'probable' (what makes it real is how many people will say so..dohhh earls department?).

soooo.........it is a posability? even the aboriginanies painted ufo images, or at least as far as carbon dating is concerned. then again? who can you beleive? early from kentucky? marlein from the trailor recreasion park? your goverement? or even the church? they all have agendas.(even the pope said, cant we just forget about? hmm perks of the job obviosly..why are we worried about aliens? havent we got enough at home?) the TV never lies, hallle-yulla, i sined you my bretheren, i bought a condo, limo and jet and a few hores with your donasions..i'm repenting tonight in an effert to make 3 times more on this night than any other night..and the internet is a big free offer, that only costs..and for a further fee and cost some more...


folding space and time, although a theretical issue, isnt it just a little way to big? i think some one wants to build a banger bigger than any one elses tbh! so big the neighbouring galaxies will think..awww heck! theyve gone! lol.(thats assuming a triple A battery unit and a few inexspencive compoinets cant do it..presumptions hu?)

statistically, if the mother ship arrived on wednesday 15'th june, out popped Endlfurth with his best shiney anul probe and said heyyy yu!! have weee got a deal for you?..
50 percent the planet would die over the next few days, 25 percent in the actual panic, and the rest in fear suicides.. or so it's said, and not by earl.
(i think that would entice any goverment dont you? populasion problem over with. or even hint at a resolsion within the subject, or just use a bitta rubber?).

sleep tight folks..keep the lube near, if the aliens dont shaft you the bankers will....and charge you for any lube.

It's probably a good thing that you began that post by defending drunk people; glossing over the grammatical apocalypse of the rest of it, a few points -

- You can put a webcam on an ant farm and know more about the ants than they do themselves, without being physically present. And a sufficiently advanced culture would have means of observation that are themselves sentient; their "webcam" would make decisions for itself that would further the observers' relevant means and goals.

- The Nazis didn't have stealth technology and didn't need it; you don't need to evade radar if you're faster than anything the enemy can respond with (see SR-71).

- Sightings of forest demons and succubi were replaced with sightings of UFOs and aliens as the 20th century wore on; expect UFOs to be superseded by updated and more relevant monsters as the information age unfolds..

yes agreed about the grammer, my old teachers were a lot older after lol.. i do have a lagit exscuse though lol.

it seems there is a need for the mystical being thats coming to get you...

and the alien cam may well be the bum probe? its job completed it vacates, or the new arrival needs a hoast lol..its humour based with a bit of trruth thrown in lol.

in short theyd have just taken over...or, there would protocals based on ethics. (like leave them to it theyre dead any way).

I stay away from conspiracy stuff - too may cameras and cell phones out there

Purely intesting from a science perspective, but if anybody wants some interesting reads research Alien / UFO encounters before 1950, which was about the time mass media started skewing mass hysteria. StarHalo makes some valid points, but when you go back before 1950, and especially into the 18th, 19th, and early 20th century UFO reports were much stranger and yet seemed to make more sense than they do today. With out mass media, the person reporting the encounter simply did their best to describe what they saw and seldom involved the glowing spheres and triangles we hear about today. That's where the real research lies.

I still get a kick out of incidents like the 'UFO's over Phoenix' thing where 100 people are standing around pointing at the lights and thinking it's the mother ship while the one kid with the binoculars being ignored is trying to tell everybody he's watching A-10's dropping flares. More fun to believe in the mother ship.

Watch the whole clip... Dare you not to laugh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxOfk0NpgfY

theres one clip on you tube which i thought was the best of the best, a couple go missing in some mountings, the vidio was found, was hell of a job too.. alas a few 'hints' but a serious doubt to it. the creature apears at the end looking into the camera..if not? its still here and its still hungy!!!

regaurding the 50's i think the paranoa and any justified fears or the new nucular race sparked off the cold war, if we had a ufo they had a ufo, they had psychics we had two before then, the rest falls into place. one of the articles i came accross caught my eye because it was a picture of WW2 russian tank top, but at a strange angle so i read it, hmm, all about this ufo they found around some russian area 57 or whatever. was sooo corny. tbh though, a stale mate beats the alternatives does it not?

now then, the only sense i found was some airforse guy, 'in the trade of' as thy say simply exsplained 'the publick wont beleive it if they were told straight and shown point blank' followed by 'we're having a secret test flight, how do we tell 2 million people its a 'secret' test flight next week at 10 pm? hell of a good point isnt it.

i've seen one really recently, i started to walk around to get a better veiw and it disapeered, took nearly 30 seconds to find it...street lights on a tv arial...looked exsactly like a mililon other concrete evidence of ufo's. yawn it was disapointing lol.

(i might just add, with this kind of euforia isnt advertising really cashing in on the average freeked out idiot? or is it really just for entertainment lol).

in a nut shell on the euforia, orsen wells broadcast of war of the worlds, did it really cause a mass panic? hmm did he really baracade the doors...the rest adds up nicely.

i've been in a similar situasion where a known new's broadcaster apeared and anounced the 8 minute warning, the young lady i was with anoused 'what do want to do with your last 8 minutes? me? or panic?' best hour of my life lmao!! but, yes, its a shoker! it was some tv show,she knew, i didnt, but sheeesh it put the wind up me.


Blasterman..
i'd of thought the old tesla stuff would have started any real influences, then add a tv and radio in every home...sheesh thats a big impact.


starhalo.. the evidense and exstensive bombings directly because of intel seriously indicates that they did.. at the end of the war scientists were the going comadity, they had knowladge that couldnt be gained untill the atrosities. America being one of the major 'benifactors' of 'missing scientists'. the favourate stories involved a bomb at all cost site, one with regular sightings of a craft that could climb verticle at hi speed, and fly off at faster than the alies could think up.. the area was indeedly levaled good and proper. this is all 'comman' knowladge nowadays.. or i thought it was. (and as far as you can beleive any of it).

hoffmyster86 said:

it seems there is a need for the mystical being thats coming to get you...

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A poetically accurate statement, quite redeeming.

You merely need to put yourself in the shoes of an advanced race to work out how the reality differs from Hollywood - you might be aware of the Australian rodent capybara; there are probably quite a few of them at your local zoo, but you aren't really aware of what's going on with them, or that much about their species, there are probably capybara experts you could talk to if you had to write an article about them. And this is most likely how an advanced race feels about you; you're one among many critters on rocks in space, and just like the capybara, you have drama and struggles and life and death situations, but the more advanced creatures have other things to do, many people to see about many things..

As for Nazi tech, the subject normally revolves around the V2 rocket and rocket tech in general, which is not profound in an era where you can buy a rocket kit at the local craft store. The subject of stealth comes up regarding the stealth-looking Horten Ho 229, which was not actually designed to be stealthy, merely fast - the British had a massive radar array set right on the banks of the English Channel, so incoming German fighter planes would be detected easily, and could be intercepted well before they crossed over land. The German solution was a fighter that was so fast that it would go sailing right over the radar and straight on to the British airfields where the RAF were still scrambling to get their planes off the ground, which the 229 would have succeeded in doing.

The other, lesser-known secret tech fact surrounding the 229 is that Horten planned a much larger bomber on the same design, the Ho 18, which was approved for production in early 1945 to complete its prime task at the start of 1946 - to fly escorted by 229s across the Atlantic and deliver a nuclear bomb on New York City.

And here's the 229 now - the wide-open intake nacelles on the front are decidedly not radar-defeating:

hmmm intresting there thank you starhalo. have you any stuff on the nazi 'scarer' devices designed to put the wind up troops, the sort of affect that the chinese lanterns have as they go over towns, also 'disapeered'.

there's only cubic design and a material difference there..well, in my apinion lol. there was umpteen other projects on the go like sonic death rays, the problems with those were by the time the thing charged and discharged the target was in a totaly diferent locasion by then, a few others untill we start in to the realms or earth mystics and comic strip horror stories.

regarding the alien thing, yes, i think they'd wear gloves some how...i think it would help if they turned up tbh.. theres this thing about it taking at least three generasions to change things, racismn for instance, the rift started way back with martin lucer king and co, so its near on three generasions later and the same o same o occurs, on another note its amazing how all these people who cannot cope with change are quick on the draw to buy the new in thing company, or how we cope with national catastrophies etc. i think we would cope, maybe a couple months of moaning by the oldies, the young folks and kids would want to play the games without batting an eyelid.

i think fuel was the main issue with the older jets, maybe thats why it was the 60's before they started being of use?

all food for thought.

StarHalo said:

It's probably a good thing that you began that post by defending drunk people; glossing over the grammatical apocalypse of the rest of it, a few points -

- You can put a webcam on an ant farm and know more about the ants than they do themselves, without being physically present. And a sufficiently advanced culture would have means of observation that are themselves sentient; their "webcam" would make decisions for itself that would further the observers' relevant means and goals.

- The Nazis didn't have stealth technology and didn't need it; you don't need to evade radar if you're faster than anything the enemy can respond with (see SR-71).

- Sightings of forest demons and succubi were replaced with sightings of UFOs and aliens as the 20th century wore on; expect UFOs to be superseded by updated and more relevant monsters as the information age unfolds..

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I wholeheartedly agree with sentence #1!! LMAO

But sentence #3 is partially incorrect. You're right in that the Nazis didnt invent any stealth weapons, but the British unintentionally did though. The awesome Dehavilland Mosquito, which was made of balsa wood and plywood since it initially wasnt a popular project, and they needed aluminum for fighters at the time the Mosquito was being produced. Apparently the wood made the radar signature of the Mosquito much smaller than it actually was.(I'll be back to the Mosquito as it ties into the next point)

Secondly, the SR71 was NOT able to out-fly any adversary. By the mid 60's, the same time the SR71 was being put into operation, the Soviets had developed new SAM's that flew at mach 4. Plus, at abouyt that same time, we were supposed to produce the awesome B-70 Valkyrie, which wouldve been about as fast as the SR71, and it was a bomber, but the Kennedy administration killed the program, but because that program scared the daylights out of the Soviets, they developed the MIG-25 to be able to catch and shoot down the B-70. It couldve also caught the SR-71, and shot it down. The Sr71 was usually able to outfly enemy planes, but we still used the old U2 more often, and unlike the SR71 which has been retired for almost 20 years(for the 2nd time), the U2 is still in service.

But that brings us back to the Dehavilland Mosquito, which unlike the SR-71, was able to out-fly its enemies all the time....

A little tech info on the SR-71. The MIG-25 could never catch a blackbird from behind ever. The SR-71 was designed to cruise at Mach 3.2 the M25 2.8-2.9 with bursts to 3.2 that caused overspeed permament damage to the turbines. Blackbird just lights its afterburners and gets 100-200 knots just by lighting the fires and no one has ever said how fast they've pushed beyond 3.2. that's how it avoided Sam sites between the top of the line ECM pod on board and the ability to change speed quickly it was very hard for SAM missiles to track and destrory it. Even the Israelis tried to hit it with our missiles during the 70's 6 DAY WAR and couldn't ( they didn't know who or what it was)

Blackbird was the first operational aircraft that used stealth, she was designed 10 years earlier but was 100x smaller radar cross section than the F-14 Tomcat and its RamJet tech Designed by Ben Rich could be used up to mach-6 today

Kelly Johnson was a genious and so far ahead of his time, if we built a Blackbird from scratch today people would think it's a crashed Alien Aircraft

The Blackbird test flight patch says 4,000+ MPH. Ever notice the X-15 rocket plane? the front nose is from the SR-71 and it went mach 7 in the 60's. some things will stay classified for a long time

so the alien red hering has a purpose after all, the ifs and 'R's unfold into an even bigger status quo and no one really knows lol..

has any one seen any shots or clips of pilots that eject at hi speeds..eeek itsy alien! lol. then theres the deformaties of child birth, so weird and wanderfuls there too.. but in the back of every ones mind? what if?

does we move onto ghosts? dare we? if ones real it certainly implies the other is too...interdimentional beings?

i think theyre all age old too. but wher did the myth come from?

Vinniec5 said:

A little tech info on the SR-71. The MIG-25 could never catch a blackbird from behind ever. The SR-71 was designed to cruise at Mach 3.2 the M25 2.8-2.9 with bursts to 3.2 that caused overspeed permament damage to the turbines.

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sr71 outran a missile, true story. funny thing it was made of titanium bough from USSR

amongst soviet pilots mig25 was called flying supermarket, it had about 100l of pure alcohol for deicing

hoffmyster86 said:

does we move onto ghosts? dare we?

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And that would be the ultimate question - if a race is truly advanced, don't they eventually reach a point where they do away with having physical forms? Imagine how uninterested you'd be in the capybara if it were a creature so primitive that it's not even on the same plane of existence..

StarHalo said:

And that would be the ultimate question - if a race is truly advanced, don't they eventually reach a point where they do away with having physical forms? Imagine how uninterested you'd be in the capybara if it were a creature so primitive that it's not even on the same plane of existence..

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Maybe super-advanced being could eventually evolve into a non-physical life form, as I dont know enough about the actual physics of this subject to be able to say that it wouldnt be possible.

But Capybaras will always be cool though!

The question of whether or not aliens will or ever have visited Earth comes down to one thing IMO. That would be distance. If you consider the unbelievable vastness of space, and take into consideration the distances between the nearest solar system in our galaxy that "might" have a star with a planet(s) that is close enough to its star(s) to support life, then you take into the consideration the chance that life there has evolved intelligent beings, and that those beings are MUCH, MUCH more advanced than us, then you realize that the distance is just too great for them to get here, even if they wanted to come here.

If we just looked at it from a basis of average distances, considering that our galaxy is around 100,000 light years across, then lets say there is a system that supports life, and has uber-advanced life forms, chances are that they are going to be 10,000-50,000 light years away or more. How can any being possibly cover that kind of distance? Even if they could go 5 times the speed of light, which is supposedly impossible, it would still take 1,000 - 5,000 years for them to get here.......

The only other ways that we have dreamed up as a possibility for long distance space travel involve warping space time, or worm holes, etc. If they are much more advanced than we, then either they have thought of 'other' options, but odds are, the distances just cant be traveled in a reasonable amount of time, and even if they could shorten it to 50 years or so, why would they want to spend that much of their life traveling in a space ship of limited size? Maybe they live 20 times longer than we do, or maybe they can put themselves into suspended animation during the journey so they dont age...

Not to mention the odds that they would just happen to choose a course that brought them here, when the galaxy is so large that the odds of happening to find this particular planet is kinda like looking for a needle in a galaxy sized haystack!

i watched few episodes of antient aliens on history channel, some things they showed really makes you think.

HighlanderNorth said:

the distance is just too great for them to get here, even if they wanted to come here.

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Keep in mind that more advanced beings would have levels of energy at their disposal that aren't even physically possible from planetary life; harnessing the power of a star, a pulsar, galactic movement, etc would make space-time-ripping levels of power accessible, if not routine. If warping or wormholes are possible at all, they would need only a short amount of time after acquiring the energy to experiment and eventually master the techniques. They would most likely also be masters of efficiency, so transporting large objects would be pretty rare; the aforementioned "webcam"/observer mentioned in my earlier posts wouldn't need to be any larger than an amoeba - this would be easy to move and simple to [self-]maintain.

i think we're still thinking and exsisting around the realms of 2-D, we asume energy, masses of, no bodies etc, but in reality we're still only babes in the woods of science, to the general public theres only been a couple of actual breakthroughs, and the transister is one of them, the rest has been a remix, a resize, or a new way to do the same.

the generasion gap thing, to me, indicates that basically, the vidio game along, the kids loved the new thing, the middle bracket were sort of starting to feel the stress of life, accepted it under what tv shows presented as the how it works, whilst back the 50-80 year old branch they all thought it was bad, couldnt fathom it etc, simply just couldnt comprehend or accept it..
apply that to the development of science..and i dont mean old scientists cant.. i mean some things are just way past perseiving untill the protejay is born and seems to just figure it out like it was narmal.

a step further would be, could we actualy see other life forms? as in a cuttle fish can see its preys electrical life energy type thing, but we cant, we see the materail with light reflecting from it.. if other things are on a diferent plane on the lines of a 3-d sense instead of the 2-d. we wouldnt know they were there, and they wouldnt know we were here, but both coexsisting..thats without going into dimensions..and that was a victorian exsplanasion of ghosts.
(dont worry thats as far as i go on that lol).

at the end of the day one of the theries is all particles co exsist at some point in 'a time or place' in every other bit of the universe, so travel could, again in theory be as simple as 'faising into' the other 'body' at some other point that we share the particles with. that could actualy be as simple as a simple curcuit device lol.


oh, and dont forget people studied molecules for a whole life.. plants and one cell'd organisms? if one stood up and recipricated a sequence, then seemed to recipricate in some form of responce and reaction.. a code then forms, even you'd be intrested in that document lol. an ameaba protesting at the condisions in the petri dish..lolol.

hoffmyster86 said:

could we actualy see other life forms? as in a cuttle fish can see its preys electrical life energy type thing, but we cant, we see the materail with light reflecting from it..

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If we're talking extra dimensions, no, a being who could move through higher dimensions could appear and disappear from three-dimensional space at will. It wouldn't be that you couldn't see him, rather he would not be "there" at all..

hoffmyster86 said:

an ameaba protesting at the condisions in the petri dish..lolol.

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That would be the beauty of camouflauging an observer as something that's expected to be seen in a particular environment; you could look directly at the "webcam amoeba" in a microscope, and it wouldn't have to do a thing to hide itself (and it would in fact be looking at you..)