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    I have carried a Nitecore D10 for years and loved it, but I left it at a recent motel stay

    I now want to go with the 123 battery type for more lumens. I need low lumens for getting around the house late at night, high lumens for letting the dogs out on my 3-acre property, and I want pocketability.

    After much lurking on CPF, I am ready to order a Niteye Eye10.

    But...there is not a lot of info out there on the Eye10. The Sunwayman V11R looks great...there is a lot more information on it...and Selfbuilt has a fantastic
    review. From limited info, the Eye10 seems to have more output, better low-lumen run-time, possibly warmer tint, smoother beam, and Subwoofer's review is great.

    I think that I have ruled out the Jetbeam rrt-01 due to its smooth reflector, older LED emitter, and less lumen output. The Eagletac D25C was my first choice, but I do not think that I would like the UI, and I am not sure that the low output is low enough. The D25C also loses modes with a 16340 (I really like the thought of 500ish lumens on the Eye10 and V11R on 16340).

    Please help me pull the trigger on 1 of these 2 lights or something better. I need a flashlight! Do not tell me to order both

    Thanks for the fantastic forum that is a great resource to the flashlight enthusiast!

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    I have a Fenix PD10 that is flaking out on me after a year, but I like the size and twisty. I'm looking for a replacement and hoping to find something of more overall quality, and secondarily, more lumens. I'm going to follow along.

    I did buy a nitecore EC1 for S&G, but that is irrelevant to this thread, and doesn't replace the PD10/M11/Eye10 form factor.

    I found this review:

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...parison-Review

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    edascac - You might want to check out the Eagletac D25C Mini as a replacement to your pd10. Originally, I thought I wanted the D25C Mini, but I am afraid the low may not be low enough. I also like variable output.

    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d25cm/specs.html

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    I thought that I would mention that you may just want to have a read of this thread here before you decide to purchase an Eye10 or any other Niteye product!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deboy922 View Post
    I have carried a Nitecore D10 for years and loved it, but I left it at a recent motel stay

    I now want to go with the 123 battery type for more lumens. I need low lumens for getting around the house late at night, high lumens for letting the dogs out on my 3-acre property, and I want pocketability.

    After much lurking on CPF, I am ready to order a Niteye Eye10.

    But...there is not a lot of info out there on the Eye10. The Sunwayman V11R looks great...there is a lot more information on it...and Selfbuilt has a fantastic
    review. From limited info, the Eye10 seems to have more output, better low-lumen run-time, possibly warmer tint, smoother beam, and Subwoofer's review is great.

    I think that I have ruled out the Jetbeam rrt-01 due to its smooth reflector, older LED emitter, and less lumen output. The Eagletac D25C was my first choice, but I do not think that I would like the UI, and I am not sure that the low output is low enough. The D25C also loses modes with a 16340 (I really like the thought of 500ish lumens on the Eye10 and V11R on 16340).

    Please help me pull the trigger on 1 of these 2 lights or something better. I need a flashlight! Do not tell me to order both

    Thanks for the fantastic forum that is a great resource to the flashlight enthusiast!
    I own both of these lights and each day it's a toss-up as which one I leave the house with. I love them both and routinely use them over many other single 123 lights including the D25c (have both the Ti & Alum and like these a lot too but the control ring UI of the V11R and Eye 10 is just so practical & useful for so many things ). I completely agree with your assessment of the Eye 10...it does have slightly higher output to the naked eye than the v11R, is a warmer tint (even though both use the XM-L U2), and it also has a floodier beam than the V11R with a larger hotspot and much larger spill beam that is totally flawless and it's low is so low it's barely detectable! You can find it if you search for just under $70 US but most places in the US ask closer to $80.

    I prefer the UI on the V11R because I like being able to pre-set the output prior to activation and damped smooth contol ring...but the emitter is slightly off center (had the same problem w/the V10R Ti+ which I returned for a host of problems) and the beam is cooler and slightly ringy. Overall I like both but the Eye 10 is, and has been almost perfect in every way, (run time is a little less on 16430's or 18350 IMR's over most clicky's, but not by much) and it's rare I don't find some flaw with most production lights. Even at $80 it's a great buy...I don't believe you would be disapointed and it's output will certainly impress your non-torch friends!

    *By the way, if you need longer run times, the Eye 15(?) will be released soon (not sure if it's available yet or not) basically making the Eye 10 a 18650 powered light.

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    i also have the eye10, and i have to say it is pretty awesome. smooth beam, great clip, solid build, and bright as hell for a small light. only concern i have with this type of light is i wonder how the control ring will hold up to pocket use over time, (sand, lint etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by deboy922 View Post
    edascac - You might want to check out the Eagletac D25C Mini as a replacement to your pd10. Originally, I thought I wanted the D25C Mini, but I am afraid the low may not be low enough. I also like variable output.

    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d25cm/specs.html
    I was thinking about that one too, but I think I'm getting sucked into the variable dimming idea of eye10.

    Plus:

    and it also has a floodier beam than the V11R with a larger hotspot and much larger spill beam that is totally flawless and it's low is so low it's barely detectable!
    I think I'd enjoy a floodier light.

    I thought that I would mention that you may just want to have a read of this thread here before you decide to purchase an Eye10 or any other Niteye product!
    Hmm... I don't know if all of that really bothers me or not.

    BTW, I didn't know there where flashlight geeks too.

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    Do bear in mind that the Niteye does not officially support rechargeable cells. Although many owners use 16340 (or 18340) cells, the voltage is outside spec. I specifically asked Niteye about this; they didn't reply, so I didn't go ahead with an EYE10 purchase. In view of recent developments mentioned by Phil Ament, I'm glad I didn't. Actually, one of the few occasions in my experience, when a manufacturer hasn't been responsive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubois View Post
    Do bear in mind that the Niteye does not officially support rechargeable cells. Although many owners use 16340 (or 18340) cells, the voltage is outside spec. I specifically asked Niteye about this; they didn't reply, so I didn't go ahead with an EYE10 purchase. In view of recent developments mentioned by Phil Ament, I'm glad I didn't. Actually, one of the few occasions in my experience, when a manufacturer hasn't been responsive.
    I hear you...and it's a reasonable caution. Many single CR123 light manufacturers don't specifically state thay support 3.7v Li-ions due to the excessive heat if left on too long, (liability and warranty issues foremost since someone will always run them too hot too long w/resulting damage) and since, from what understand, generally these lights are regulated for and designed around 3v primaries. This 3v. cell is what most buyers will use and the small form factor prevents full buck boost regulation usually. But flashaholics routinely use these cells w/some care and suffer no damage. That's not to say it couldn't happen, but these days it seems rare.

    Incidentally, selfbuilt in his Eye 10 review on this forum did contact Niteye about this topic, as follows..."I queried this with Niteye, who said that RCR123 can be used with caution as this raises the output to far more than the heatsinking is designed to cope with. As long as maximum is not used for longer than 5 minutes, RCR123 can be used, but has the danger of overheating reducing LED lifespan".

    Typical boilerplate "don't blame us if things go poof" language but I tend to interpret these statements as, yeah...you can use Li-ion's, but be careful. I use 123 rechargables everywhere I can in many lights and although I can't say w/certainty I haven't shortened the LED's life in some cases, or I won't eventually destroy an emitter, so far I've been okay. I guess I'm willing to risk it, being an inherently careful guy, and hope for the best.
    Last edited by cyclesport; 08-07-2012 at 03:12 PM.

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    Yeah, I think I am careful too, and would use high mode sparingly - it's just that they didn't bother to respond (and the fact that the V11R and RRT-01 specifically covered the voltage range in their specs) that got my back up, slightly.

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    Well, I am ready to pull the trigger on an Eye10. Now, where to purchase from? GoingGear has 10% off, free shipping, located in US, but their Eye10's are backordered :-(

    Any suggestions?

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    i think hkequipment is the cheapest around, but it ships from over seas, might be a bit of a wait. i picked mine up from illuminationsupply. check out supertmanufacturing for some decent prices on 18350's if you want to go that route.

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    Any discount codes for IlluminationSupply?

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    PM me and I can tell you where I bought mine for $69.95

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    cyclesport - PM sent.

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    deboy922: I pm'd you twice with the where-to-buy info but my replys are not yet showing up in my "sent" folder? Not sure if there's a glitch with CPF or it just takes time to show up but if you don't see my reply(s) in a few hours...try pm'ing me again.

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    cyclesport - Yes, I did receive 2 pm's from you. Thank you. And yes, the pm system seems to have a glitch. I have sent you 3 pm's, but none of them show in my "sent" folder either.

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    Oops...Not a CPF glitch...Operator error on my part...In my "General Settings", I had selected "Don't save a copy of sent messages"...That will do it.

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    Many retailers seem to be out of most of the interesting (to me) lights.

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    Eye10 ordered...anxiously awaiting!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deboy922 View Post
    Eye10 ordered...anxiously awaiting!!!
    Looking forward to hearing your opinion on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edacsac View Post
    Looking forward to hearing your opinion on it.
    Me too!

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    Eye10 received Friday, 8/10. IlluminationSupply is great to deal with...good communication and fast shipping.

    The Eye10 is everything this forum said (thanks for everyone's input)...nice beam, good tint, good output, nice moonlight low, variable output, and good quality. I am fine with the detents...sure infinite variability might be better...but the detents work fine for me, as I have not needed an output level in between two detent settings. The knurling on only half of the control ring is definitely an issue, but I am getting used to it the more I use it. I would also prefer the knurling to be more grippy.

    I am having a problem getting use to having to turn the ring about 6 clicks to get to a usable level of light. The first 2 detents do nothing. The 3rd detent is barely on (yes, this is very cool and I like it, but no usable light). I would call the 4th detent "firefly", the 5th detent "moonlight", and the 6th detent "low". I like having all of these levels of light, but it just takes me longer than I like to get to a desired level.

    I have only used the light for a few days, so maybe I will get more coordinated with it.

    Also from what I have read, this light is screaming for an 18350. Now, I will have to decide whether or not to take the rechargeable-lithium plunge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deboy922 View Post
    Eye10 received Friday, 8/10. IlluminationSupply is great to deal with...good communication and fast shipping.

    The Eye10 is everything this forum said (thanks for everyone's input)...nice beam, good tint, good output, nice moonlight low, variable output, and good quality. I am fine with the detents...sure infinite variability might be better...but the detents work fine for me, as I have not needed an output level in between two detent settings. The knurling on only half of the control ring is definitely an issue, but I am getting used to it the more I use it. I would also prefer the knurling to be more grippy.

    I am having a problem getting use to having to turn the ring about 6 clicks to get to a usable level of light. The first 2 detents do nothing. The 3rd detent is barely on (yes, this is very cool and I like it, but no usable light). I would call the 4th detent "firefly", the 5th detent "moonlight", and the 6th detent "low". I like having all of these levels of light, but it just takes me longer than I like to get to a desired level.

    I have only used the light for a few days, so maybe I will get more coordinated with it.

    Also from what I have read, this light is screaming for an 18350. Now, I will have to decide whether or not to take the rechargeable-lithium plunge.
    That first detent may be used as a locator beacon to find your light at night... as someone pointed out to me

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    I received my Eye10 from Illumination Supply.

    Now I have a Jetbeam RRT-01, Niteye Eye10 and Sunwayman V11R High-CRI that I can compare. Some observations:

    Niteye Eye10 (running on AW IMR 18350)
    1. Very Bright - the brightest of the 3 lights. Slightly, but noticeably brighter than my RRT-01, and much brighter than the V11R High-CRI.
    2. Slippery - The large square cut knurling isn't as easy to grip as the fine diamond cut knurling on the RRT-01 or the V11R.
    3. Hardest to operate - The ring is relatively stiff due to the detentes. Even worse, only half the ring is textured. The easiest way to operate this kind of light is to grip it in your hand and then operate the ring with thumb and index finger each on opposite sides of the ring. Because half the Eye10's ring isn't textured, this doesn't work nearly as well. It also isn't helped by having a relatively slick anodizing. Because of this, it's fairly hard to instantly move the light from off to max with one motion in one-hand. Also because of the detentes, you don't really get full infinite variability because the ring will slide into those detentes rather than giving you fine control.
    4. Excellent beam pattern with no rings and very wide spill. This light has the best beam pattern of the bunch.
    5. Feels very well built and unlike the RRT-01 the Eye10 has heat sink fins.
    6. Tailstands perfectly with no wobble if lanyard is not used.
    7. Ring is noisy. If you flip the ring from off to max the clicking of the detentes will sound like a zipper being unzipped.
    8. Slightly greenish tint at low brightness settings.
    9. Occasionally blinks when at max power.
    10. Has 2 hidden modes. Strobe and SOS. The strobe is impractical to activate in a tactical setting though.

    Jetbeam RRT-01 on AW IMR 18350:
    1. Not as bright at the Eye10, and the beam pattern is very ringy. Much worse beam than the Eye10.
    2. Fully textured ring with only 2 detentes at off and max is much easier to operate with one hand than the Eye10. This combined with less slick anodizing makes the RRT-01 feel much more secure in the hand.
    3. No heat sink fins.
    4. Ring is much quieter than Eye10, though still not totally quiet unless moved slowly.
    5. Stainless steel lanyard post at tailcap protrudes slightly resulting in wobbly tailstanding.
    6. Slightly greenish looking tint at low brightness settings.
    7. Occasionally blinks at max power.
    8. Has one hidden mode. (SOS).

    Sunwayman V11R High CRI on AW IMR 16340
    1. Largest of the above lights but runs on the smallest battery.
    2. Very warm tinted beam pattern looks great at all brightness settings. My recollection is that the V11R uses PWM rather than current control. This should mean there is no tint shift at low settings unlike on the other 2 lights which use current control.
    3. Good beam pattern. Almost no rings. Beam spill is considerably narrower than the other 2 lights due to longer reflector. Overall, I'd rate the beam pattern as being much better than the RRT-01 and almost as good as the Eye10.
    4. Perfectly smooth and silent magnetic ring dimmer control. Almost fully knurled and easy to turn with one hand. Note: out of the box the ring was extremely stiff, but after cycling it a few hundred times it loosened up considerably.
    5. Rear tailcap switch. The rubber switch works fine. Has a noticeable click when used.
    6. Feels great in the hand. Feels slightly more secure than the RRT-01 and much more secure than the Eye10. However, you do have to flip the light in your hand to operate the different controls.

    Summary:
    Each of the above lights offers something different. The V11R high CRI has the best tint especially at lower power settings and feels the grippiest. The Eye10 has the best beam pattern, is the brightest, and is the least expensive. The RRT-01 feels much better in the hand than the Eye10, but the beam pattern is much worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireclaw18 View Post
    I received my Eye10 from Illumination Supply.

    Now I have a Jetbeam RRT-01, Niteye Eye10 and Sunwayman V11R High-CRI that I can compare. Some observations:

    Niteye Eye10 (running on AW IMR 18350)
    1. Very Bright - the brightest of the 3 lights. Slightly, but noticeably brighter than my RRT-01, and much brighter than the V11R High-CRI.
    2. Slippery - The large square cut knurling isn't as easy to grip as the fine diamond cut knurling on the RRT-01 or the V11R.
    3. Hardest to operate - The ring is relatively stiff due to the detentes. Even worse, only half the ring is textured. The easiest way to operate this kind of light is to grip it in your hand and then operate the ring with thumb and index finger each on opposite sides of the ring. Because half the Eye10's ring isn't textured, this doesn't work nearly as well. It also isn't helped by having a relatively slick anodizing. Because of this, it's fairly hard to instantly move the light from off to max with one motion in one-hand. Also because of the detentes, you don't really get full infinite variability because the ring will slide into those detentes rather than giving you fine control.
    4. Excellent beam pattern with no rings and very wide spill. This light has the best beam pattern of the bunch.
    5. Feels very well built and unlike the RRT-01 the Eye10 has heat sink fins.
    6. Tailstands perfectly with no wobble if lanyard is not used.
    7. Ring is noisy. If you flip the ring from off to max the clicking of the detentes will sound like a zipper being unzipped.
    8. Slightly greenish tint at low brightness settings.
    9. Occasionally blinks when at max power.
    10. Has 2 hidden modes. Strobe and SOS. The strobe is impractical to activate in a tactical setting though.

    Jetbeam RRT-01 on AW IMR 18350:
    1. Not as bright at the Eye10, and the beam pattern is very ringy. Much worse beam than the Eye10.
    2. Fully textured ring with only 2 detentes at off and max is much easier to operate with one hand than the Eye10. This combined with less slick anodizing makes the RRT-01 feel much more secure in the hand.
    3. No heat sink fins.
    4. Ring is much quieter than Eye10, though still not totally quiet unless moved slowly.
    5. Stainless steel lanyard post at tailcap protrudes slightly resulting in wobbly tailstanding.
    6. Slightly greenish looking tint at low brightness settings.
    7. Occasionally blinks at max power.
    8. Has one hidden mode. (SOS).

    Sunwayman V11R High CRI on AW IMR 16340
    1. Largest of the above lights but runs on the smallest battery.
    2. Very warm tinted beam pattern looks great at all brightness settings. My recollection is that the V11R uses PWM rather than current control. This should mean there is no tint shift at low settings unlike on the other 2 lights which use current control.
    3. Good beam pattern. Almost no rings. Beam spill is considerably narrower than the other 2 lights due to longer reflector. Overall, I'd rate the beam pattern as being much better than the RRT-01 and almost as good as the Eye10.
    4. Perfectly smooth and silent magnetic ring dimmer control. Almost fully knurled and easy to turn with one hand. Note: out of the box the ring was extremely stiff, but after cycling it a few hundred times it loosened up considerably.
    5. Rear tailcap switch. The rubber switch works fine. Has a noticeable click when used.
    6. Feels great in the hand. Feels slightly more secure than the RRT-01 and much more secure than the Eye10. However, you do have to flip the light in your hand to operate the different controls.

    Summary:
    Each of the above lights offers something different. The V11R high CRI has the best tint especially at lower power settings and feels the grippiest. The Eye10 has the best beam pattern, is the brightest, and is the least expensive. The RRT-01 feels much better in the hand than the Eye10, but the beam pattern is much worse.
    Thanks for your obsevations on these three excellent lights Fireclaw 18...they are some of my current favorite lights and UI's. I have the V11R (XM-L U2 version), and Eye 10 but not the RRT-01, although have examined a friends recently, and also run them on 16340's and 18350's respectively. I think your comments are spot-on and agree w/you on almost everything with a two exceptions...

    (1) My V11R is current controlled and a cooler beam than the other two with the XM-L emitter, although perhaps the high CRI version has PWM as you suggest, but seems like it too should be cc'ed. Selfbuilt's review on CPF states the V11R he tested was cc'ed as well. *As much as I like Sunwayman lights, out of three I've owned they all had an off-center mounted LED's, and all developed rattles in the switch and reflectors...small problems but for some reason this annoyed me more than other issues with other lights.
    (2) Can't comment on the RRT-01 but your observation of the occasional blinking w/the Eye 10 (and RRT-01) on max is strange...mine has never, thus far, exhibited this? Is it possible you accidently engaged strobe?

    The RRT-01 that I saw had a beam so full of defined rings I had to exclude it from my wish list since IMO it's too distracting in actual use, athough I liked it's body and ring knurling better than the Eye 10.

    Though the Eye 10's lack of grip w/it's strange raised blocks and wierd half/smooth control ring w/11 detents (it smooths out and turns easier after lots of use though) make it a little slippery, I only find it a minor annoyance in daily use. This bothered me when I first bought the light but has since become largely insignificant. IMO The beam quality is close to perfection!

    Almost warm/nuetral for an XM-L U2 binned LED with a large diffuse hotspot a huge spill, completely free of any artifacts. I'd have to say this is one of the best floody, extremely bright (almost as bright as the 770 lumen ET D25C on 3.7v li-ions), usefull beam patterns I've ever seen on a production EDC light! I paid approx $69 and I consider that a steal! I have quite a few 1 X123 lights, since this is my favorite EDC format, most w/XM-L emitters. When I compare them in a dark room or outside at night, I'm always struck by the Eye 10's superior beam quality, pattern, and tint over my other lights in this category and how much easier it is to find small items in, or against a cluttered backround, in the grass or weeds, etc...This light, with a couple of minor flaws, is just exemplary!

    *(As I referenced...EagleTac's 1 X123 D25C using 16340's has a very similar, almost perfect beam pattern in quality & tint compared to the Eye 10, but it's UI (level spacing) suffers going from moonlight/low to "super nova" with nothing really in between...but I believe it too is another worthy contender in the 1 X 123 EDC category).

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