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    Au Is this a good battery/led for a DIY canister ?

    Hi, im planning on bulding my first canister light,

    Here is my light head:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/p/10w-800...101461?item=36
    I think it is a good base, of course some modification will be needed. At almost everywhere i say it, it is sell as a waterproof light.
    May try to fit a bigger led, like sst-50 or sst-90.

    And this should be my battery:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/p/9800mah...devices-100098

    Good mah rating, but is this battery pack protected ? Is is dangerous to go high amp with this kind of battery (like 9A on a sst-90)
    I don't want this thing to blow me up !

    Thx all !

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    Being rectangular the form factor of the battery isnt the greatest. Also feed back suggests capacity is rather exaggerate.

    As for the light head it looks like its set up for a flood beam, which isnt ideal for diving. Plus its not designed for diving. It "may" be water proof but is it pressure proof? I wouldnt waste your $$ on it.

    You would be far better off building up a maglite based head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Packhorse View Post
    Being rectangular the form factor of the battery isnt the greatest. Also feed back suggests capacity is rather exaggerate.

    As for the light head it looks like its set up for a flood beam, which isnt ideal for diving. Plus its not designed for diving. It "may" be water proof but is it pressure proof? I wouldnt waste your $$ on it.

    You would be far better off building up a maglite based head.
    If this battery pack is not so good, what could i use for battery ?
    Do you have place i could buy it ? Thx

    And as for the light head, it has a aspherical lens on it, that why i took it, aspherical is good right ?
    You can see the lens here : http://www.dealextreme.com/customerp...e1d925c327.jpg
    Last edited by Benoit; 08-10-2012 at 06:32 AM.

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    Default Re: Is this a good battery/led for a DIY canister ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benoit View Post

    And as for the light head, it has a aspherical lens on it, that why i took it, aspherical is good right ?
    You can see the lens here : http://www.dealextreme.com/customerp...e1d925c327.jpg
    As per the spec sheet, the luminous angle is around 30-40 degrees. That plus the lack of a stated IP rating makes me wary about getting that as a head.
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    Default Re: Is this a good battery/led for a DIY canister ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benoit View Post
    If this battery pack is not so good, what could i use for battery ?
    Do you have place i could buy it ? Thx

    And as for the light head, it has a aspherical lens on it, that why i took it, aspherical is good right ?
    You can see the lens here : http://www.dealextreme.com/customerp...e1d925c327.jpg
    No idea where you live but if in the US try Batteryspace.com or battery junction.com or make your own up if you dare.


    Some aspherics are good. some are crap. Cant tell which yours is. But you can try moving the aspheric away from the LED until its tightly focused. If the distance isnt to great and the the beam looks good then you may be on to a winner. But does it have a flat front lens to keep the water away from the aspheric? It needs one and looks like it hasnt.
    Are there any O rings sealing the threaded parts?
    Is the aluminium anodized? Its a plus if it is.

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    Im planing putting a 3x XML-U2 in it, with narow lens, there is two model on CN is 1 better then the other ?

    http://www.cnqualitygoods.com/goods.php?id=1580
    http://www.cnqualitygoods.com/goods.php?id=1544

    Also im planing using one of those driver, i will supply the driver with a 12V 9800ah battery
    What is the diff. ?
    http://www.cnqualitygoods.com/goods.php?id=1481
    http://www.cnqualitygoods.com/goods.php?id=1633

    Also what could i expect from battery lenght with 9800ah and 3X XML @ 3A ??
    3.25 Hours ?

    Thx

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    Default Re: Is this a good battery/led for a DIY canister ?

    Look like the server was down for a few days and my last post is gone, ho well... i will do short.

    Lens subject is clear, driver too.

    Now its a battery question, if i want to go with the 18650 route, stacking them up.
    What should i look for:
    high Voltage (12V and medium AH) with the appropriate driver
    Low voltage and high AH with the approprite driver

    Since Led are 3.7 volt, does the 12V will have some lost ? Or the voltage is regulated and no lost ?
    I think i will use 8 or 12 cell combination so i can basicaly do 4S4P or 2S6P what can be a good mix ??

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    Default Re: Is this a good battery/led for a DIY canister ?

    The battery voltage should be matched to the driver requirements.

    Depending on what driver and LED load you use you may be able to fine some specs on efficiency to help choose the best voltage for drivers with a wide range of input voltages.

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    Default Re: Is this a good battery/led for a DIY canister ?

    check out R/C hobby stores for lipo packs if making packs from 18650 is not practical for you

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    Default Re: Is this a good battery/led for a DIY canister ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMAG View Post
    check out R/C hobby stores for lipo packs if making packs from 18650 is not practical for you
    My next build is using a Blue LiPo pack, if for no other reason than cost.
    I'll be posting details early next week

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    Default Re: Is this a good battery/led for a DIY canister ?

    That does't reply to my question really.

    Will 14.8V 5Ah give the same batt. lenght as 7.4V 10Ah (beside sweet spot of performance of the driver)

    (same number of cell, just wired differently)
    This is kind of battery math question.

    And if both will give the same batt lenght, is one better then the other ? (going high volt or low volt)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benoit View Post
    That does't reply to my question really.

    Will 14.8V 5Ah give the same batt. lenght as 7.4V 10Ah (beside sweet spot of performance of the driver)

    (same number of cell, just wired differently)
    This is kind of battery math question.

    And if both will give the same batt lenght, is one better then the other ? (going high volt or low volt)
    A lot of ifs here.... But your better off with voltage closer to the required value... Given that your intending to power a single sat... Then I'd go with the 7.4 volt, which should be more efficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Codiak View Post
    A lot of ifs here.... But your better off with voltage closer to the required value... Given that your intending to power a single sat... Then I'd go with the 7.4 volt, which should be more efficient.
    So If i plan lighting up 3X XML-U2 in series should i use 11.1V ?

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    No that's too close to the edge as voltage requirements will increase slightly do yo thermal resistance, plus
    assuming your using a buck driver you still need +1 volt to stay within regulation.

    For a 3 up XML I suggest and am using a 14.8

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    I agree with codiak, 14.8 would be optimal. 11.1 is too close.
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