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    Default Looking for a backup slash real use duty light in rechargable or AA category.

    I am looking for a backup slash real use duty light in rechargeable or AA category. I am an LE/Security Instructor for a government contractor which issues the mini-mag to officers the mini-mags holster is part of a very high profile uniform and the officer must carry it. Therefore I am looking for a light that puts out anywhere from 120 to 400 lumens OTF, with a reasonable price tag and could fit in a pocket for fast access. I currently carry 2 surefires (g2z, 6px) but the battery cost and price point are not reasonable for this consideration.
    I have considered the following:

    NEBO Blueline, small, AA, 130 Lumen (not sure if that is otf) and 19.99 USD
    Note: gave to my wife for a purse light and she loves it.

    EagleTac P100A2 325 Lumen AA LED, AA, 236 lumen 39.90 USD

    JETBeam BA20 270 Lumen CREE XP-G R5 LED Flashlight, AA, 270 lumen, 39.90 USD

    JETBeam PA10 650 Lumen CREE XM-L T6 LED Flashlight, AA, 650 lumen (highly sceptical), 69.90 USD
    Note: the 69.90 USD price point may be too high for some of my officers.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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    Default Re: Looking for a backup slash real use duty light in rechargable or AA category.

    I apologize, I looked for through the review section and maybe my web search skills need to be honed but I didn't see anything that really hit the mark. Also I would like to know the impression as to reliability and durability of said lights. These lights will be recommended for independant purchase for our officers.

    Before you say it, a light for self preservation should not have budget, even though our officers have had attempted attacks against the facility this year, there will always be those thrift shoppers buying some light from Wallyworld for 24.00 USD. I would like to give them something of headstart, a gateway purchase into the addictive phase if you will. If you have any suggestions for a light, please consider the qualifers in order of priority as follows:


    Reliability
    Durability
    Ease of Use (momentary on is a plus)
    Light output
    Price
    CDI factor


    Thanks again.

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    Default Re: Looking for a backup slash real use duty light in rechargable or AA category.

    Perhaps the LightHound AA tactical light [rebranded Balder SE-1] would fit the bill. Its rugged, simple to use and can take any battery from AA alkilines to 14500 Li Ion. Priced from $20 - $24 depending on emitter. I've gifted several to family and everyone is amazed at its size and output. When they learn that its only a bit more than a mini-M@G they're very impressed.
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    Default Re: Looking for a backup slash real use duty light in rechargable or AA category.

    If you are willing to loose some money, you could buy a few lights and test them for durability. But a sample size of one does not represent how all the other lights will act.

    The Balder SE-1 could work as Gurthang noted. 1 AA, well built, but I read that the heatsink is not very heavy (but should be fine for spreading heat in use).

    For under $40, also look at the Fenix E21 and Shiningbeam's offerings like the Caveman and Spark. Reviews say that the shiningbeam lights are well built.


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    Default Re: Looking for a backup slash real use duty light in rechargable or AA category.

    I actually use a Fenix E21 as a backup light, I've been using one for about 10 months now and I have had zero problems with it. It's a fairly robust design, I know I've dropped it more than a few times. I also involuntarily tested out the IPX-8 rating in creek once or twice... It's a nice back up light because it's fairly throwy so you don't need alot of lumens to look at at something far away and can take a beating.
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    Default Re: Looking for a backup slash real use duty light in rechargable or AA category.

    Quote Originally Posted by vatrainer View Post
    NEBO Blueline, small, AA, 130 Lumen (not sure if that is otf) and 19.99 USD
    Note: gave to my wife for a purse light and she loves it.

    EagleTac P100A2 325 Lumen AA LED, AA, 236 lumen 39.90 USD

    JETBeam BA20 270 Lumen CREE XP-G R5 LED Flashlight, AA, 270 lumen, 39.90 USD

    JETBeam PA10 650 Lumen CREE XM-L T6 LED Flashlight, AA, 650 lumen (highly sceptical), 69.90 USD
    Note: the 69.90 USD price point may be too high for some of my officers.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Forget the Nebo I wouldn't trust them if your looking for the reliability of a Mag/Surefire.
    Both the P100A2 and BA20 would work but I don't think they will fit in a MMag holster.
    The PA10 only does 650lm for a short time on a 14500 li-ion so forget that one, the PA20 would be better.

    So your looking for something <$70?

    Mini-Mag pro+? nobody will tell the difference till you turn in on

    Actually I have a mag holster I'm going to stuff stuff in it and see what fits. Would they object if you wore another black nylon holster?
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    Default Re: Looking for a backup slash real use duty light in rechargable or AA category.

    Quote Originally Posted by vatrainer View Post
    I apologize, I looked for through the review section and maybe my web search skills need to be honed but I didn't see anything that really hit the mark. Also I would like to know the impression as to reliability and durability of said lights. These lights will be recommended for independant purchase for our officers.

    Before you say it, a light for self preservation should not have budget, even though our officers have had attempted attacks against the facility this year, there will always be those thrift shoppers buying some light from Wallyworld for 24.00 USD. I would like to give them something of headstart, a gateway purchase into the addictive phase if you will. If you have any suggestions for a light, please consider the qualifers in order of priority as follows:


    Reliability
    Durability
    Ease of Use (momentary on is a plus)
    Light output
    Price
    CDI factor


    Thanks again.
    I think you need to introduce your superiors to Surefire, although most of there lights run on CR123's.


    And as it turns out Mag holsters are pretty skinny I don't think the typical Fenix or Jet-beam 2 AA lights will fit. It would need to be something like the 4sevens Mini AA^2 size or like I said the Mini-Mag Pro+.

    I'm really interested in what you decide on I think its funny and at the same time sad that almost all the lights I own are way above what most military, law enforcement, security guards and emergency response people are using.
    Last edited by ScaryFatKidGT; 08-21-2012 at 09:54 PM.
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    Default Re: Looking for a backup slash real use duty light in rechargable or AA category.

    Had a revelation Eagletac D25A2 clicky
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    Default Re: Looking for a backup slash real use duty light in rechargable or AA category.

    the jetbeam is that bright when you use a lithium 14550, with a normal AA it's 140 lumens

    the jetbeam PA20 looks very cop friendly to me; I love it's strobe


    I have a shiningbeam spark in my collection, it's very floody, and very bright.
    As for quality, Bryan at Shiningbeam, as far as I know, inspects all of his lights, and except for machining marks under the anodizing here and there,
    the lights appear to be flawless. I've paid far more for top-branded lights that were no where near as good.
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    Default Re: Looking for a backup slash real use duty light in rechargable or AA category.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScaryFatKidGT View Post
    Forget the Nebo I wouldn't trust them if your looking for the reliability of a Mag/Surefire.
    Both the P100A2 and BA20 would work but I don't think they will fit in a MMag holster.
    The PA10 only does 650lm for a short time on a 14500 li-ion so forget that one, the PA20 would be better.

    So your looking for something <$70?

    Mini-Mag pro+? nobody will tell the difference till you turn in on

    Actually I have a mag holster I'm going to stuff stuff in it and see what fits. Would they object if you wore another black nylon holster?
    Not nylon, patent leather and my officers are on the news and photos are taken daily of them, so definitely not an option.

    Apologies to all, I should have been more clear the government will not spring for new holsters for lights or the lights themselves. The mini-mag holster and the mini-mag is required to be worn by the officer, and is inspected daily, no exceptions. The light I am looking for would have to be purchased by the officer and carried in the support side trouser pocket preferrably on a black clip that was very inconspicous. It would be the officers main light with the mini-mag being the backup on the duty belt. I know it sounds stupid, but that would be the government for you.
    Last edited by vatrainer; 08-22-2012 at 03:26 PM. Reason: I am an idiot

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    Default Re: Looking for a backup slash real use duty light in rechargable or AA category.

    ScartFatKidGT,

    My superiors are very familiar with surefire, I currently carry them. My officers are locked into a uniform requirement set down from those in the government procurement and budgeting. My officers are going to purchase these with private funds.

    I would like a flashlight that has a tailcap activation as it is more repeatable under stress and would allow for more techniques with firearms. Trying to momentarily turn on a Mag pro while using a pistol is problematic.

    Thanks for the suggestion. If price were no object I would say "go pick a Surefire fury", but I can barely get my officers to the range to practice firearms, getting them to shell out $150.00 for a light that they would only use if the proverbial excrement hit the rotating set of blades is out of the question.
    Last edited by vatrainer; 08-22-2012 at 03:47 PM.

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    Default Re: Looking for a backup slash real use duty light in rechargable or AA category.

    I really do think your trainees would be satisfied with a Fenix E21, especially the new E21 V2 that can be had for 35 dollars. It's a very throwy light that is very tough. It will fit into a pocket nice a discretely, has a momentary push tailcap that extends past the end of the light making it easy to find, and it's fairly easy to use as a momentary only light for night fire exercises. Just grip the light a little farther back and you can squeeze incredibly hard and have it still function as a momentary only light. I find it to be a great back up duty light. The only thing you probably won't like is that it has no pocket clip, you have to slip the light in and out of your pocket.
    "Maybe you should just stick to fire on a stick... it's received excellent reviews here - plus it's a time tested design..."

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    Default Re: Looking for a backup slash real use duty light in rechargable or AA category.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner12 View Post
    If you are willing to loose some money, you could buy a few lights and test them for durability. But a sample size of one does not represent how all the other lights will act.

    The Balder SE-1 could work as Gurthang noted. 1 AA, well built, but I read that the heatsink is not very heavy (but should be fine for spreading heat in use).

    For under $40, also look at the Fenix E21 and Shiningbeam's offerings like the Caveman and Spark. Reviews say that the shiningbeam lights are well built.

    Thanks for the welcome. I think the Lighthound AA just found a new home. I love flashlights but I am not quite as knowledgable about their inner workings as most of you seem to be. AKA flashlight=magic glow rod that banishes darkness. So about the heat sink is that a item that basically absorbs heat or does merely enable the shedding of the heat?

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    Thanks for the info on the Jetbeam, I just could not believe that kind of performance was coming out of a standard coppertop. I will be picking up one of those for a christmas gift for someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vatrainer View Post
    So about the heat sink is that a item that basically absorbs heat or does merely enable the shedding of the heat?
    a bit of both, it takes the heat from the LED, and allows it to be released through the metal casing of the light the thicker/larger the heatsink, the more heat it can pull away from the led


    Edit:

    that Lighthound AA.. " 230 Max Lumens! (using 14500 battery)"
    are you interested in lithium lights?

    it's fine if you are, just making sure you noticed that. A 14500 is a lithium Ion that is the same size as a AA, but with more juice
    Last edited by Ezeriel; 08-22-2012 at 05:00 PM.
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    Fenix LD22 perhaps?



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    Not to direct this at you...I can understand your position but for your Admins or whomever made the decision to require the minimag and do the "inspections"....to be more concerned about the appearance of your subordinates who represent you to the public to the point where you deny them the ability to carry proper equipment to do their job safely, equipment which you did NOT supply them is unacceptable and I'm sure could be prosecutable should anything happen. They need to be brought into the 21st Century.

    Okay now that I've gotten that out of the way....I was wondering if you know that the older incandescent Surefire 6Ps can be found for quite reasonable prices and since you can update them with a new LED drop-in module are easily brought up to competing with the others in output. You can also use a rechargeable 17670 in them without having to get the tube bored out. My oldest Surefire is going on 16 years old, but it's actually better now than it was the day I got it.

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    Ahh I see you edited your first post, to me it sounded like you needed a light that would fit in a mini mag holster to replace the mini mag or atleast look similar.

    What you really want is a different light entirely that is reasonably priced, pocketable, black, with a forward clicky which there are a bunch. Do you know if you want 2 AA cells or 1?

    Is a combat grip ring a must?

    Quark X Tactical AA^2
    Jetbeam BA10/BA20
    Fenix E11, LD12 and LD22

    PS you can get the 2 mode fury for $109 and either G2X for $67
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    You can unofficially run your Surefire 6PX with a LiIon 17670 to cut down on the cost of primary batteries. As for a duty light recommendation, I say a Streamlight Led Strion would work well for most non-flashaholic type people. It can be found for about $100 dollars and has a decent warranty.

    Edit: Oops! Missed the price point stipulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightfooted View Post
    Not to direct this at you...I can understand your position but for your Admins or whomever made the decision to require the minimag and do the "inspections"....to be more concerned about the appearance of your subordinates who represent you to the public to the point where you deny them the ability to carry proper equipment to do their job safely, equipment which you did NOT supply them is unacceptable and I'm sure could be prosecutable should anything happen. They need to be brought into the 21st Century.

    Okay now that I've gotten that out of the way....I was wondering if you know that the older incandescent Surefire 6Ps can be found for quite reasonable prices and since you can update them with a new LED drop-in module are easily brought up to competing with the others in output. You can also use a rechargeable 17670 in them without having to get the tube bored out. My oldest Surefire is going on 16 years old, but it's actually better now than it was the day I got it.

    Yeah, I am not sure about my officers doing any modding. I have some ex-sf guys and some marines that I would let them go ahead with it, but some of my straight out of college guys I worry about. Plus it would have total under $70.00 USD to be practical for some of these officers to buy it. Good Idea if it can be done on that price point.

    I am interested in the led for my own G2Z combatlight, I have still have it running on the old incandescent which has relegated it to nightstand duty. My 6PX tactical is my edc. What part would I need for the upgrade. I don't mind spending money on keeping an old friend in the fight.

    As far the uppity ups goes they remind me constantly that on all the static protection posts they have the 3 cell mags and a lantern style spotlights. Eh, government procurement what can you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimulatedZero View Post
    I really do think your trainees would be satisfied with a Fenix E21, especially the new E21 V2 that can be had for 35 dollars. It's a very throwy light that is very tough. It will fit into a pocket nice a discretely, has a momentary push tailcap that extends past the end of the light making it easy to find, and it's fairly easy to use as a momentary only light for night fire exercises. Just grip the light a little farther back and you can squeeze incredibly hard and have it still function as a momentary only light. I find it to be a great back up duty light. The only thing you probably won't like is that it has no pocket clip, you have to slip the light in and out of your pocket.
    Yeah, well there goes another light for me to buy and test. You are correct I am not loving the thought of having to dig for it, but everything else you said is spot on what I need. Very throwy, blinding ability, momentary on, durability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezeriel View Post
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    Edit:

    that Lighthound AA.. " 230 Max Lumens! (using 14500 battery)"
    are you interested in lithium lights?

    it's fine if you are, just making sure you noticed that. A 14500 is a lithium Ion that is the same size as a AA, but with more juice
    I love the idea of rechargeables for lowering battery cost, so
    I bought my brother the eagletac TC 100 mkIII with an 18650 and ultrafire charger, but he is tinkerer on a grand scale. Now I heard about protected and unprotected 14500 what exactly is the danger. I am trying to "cop proof" the process as much a possible, and I would hate to have one of my "more special" trainees burn down his house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vatrainer View Post
    I love the idea of rechargeables for lowering battery cost, so
    I bought my brother the eagletac TC 100 mkIII with an 18650 and ultrafire charger, but he is tinkerer on a grand scale. Now I heard about protected and unprotected 14500 what exactly is the danger. I am trying to "cop proof" the process as much a possible, and I would hate to have one of my "more special" trainees burn down his house.
    Are they all going to buy Li-ion's and chargers? because that would add to the cost? I wouldn't have them use anything that isn't protected or IMR and you can't just drop a 14500 in a AA light like a eneloop the voltage is higher. Most single AA lights will be ok but 2 AA lights usually can't take 8.4 volts.

    If I were you id get one of the 2xAA lights I suggested above and stick with eneloops, you could also get a 1xAA light and run it on the same batteries.
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    Default Re: Looking for a backup slash real use duty light in rechargable or AA category.

    Just got my Balder SE-1 (XM-L neutral white) and I found that with 1 AA battery, it take a little bit of time to get to full brightness. It might be better with a Li-ion battery, but you can't expect everyone to use Li-ions. I've tries both Eneloop 2700 mAh (not LSD) and Duracell 2600 mAh batteries, so hopefully it's not my batteries. It's the same light as the Lighthound 1 AA.

    I'd stick with normal batteries for less confusion.

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    A Surefire E2e (or equivalent "E" sized Surefire) will fit in a mini mag holster. I currently use this setup.

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    Sounded like Col. Jeff Cooper, God bless his soul.

    My .02 FWIW YMMV

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    Default Re: Looking for a backup slash real use duty light in rechargable or AA category.

    If you haven't done so already, go visit the FourSevens web-site and take a look at their Quark Tactical lights. They have several that fit your price point (albeit barely) and they have a good variety of single and double cell lights that can run on a variety of different battery types.

    One of the things I like about their products is that they make a large number of accessories available. Different switch types, pocket clips, etc. are all available.

    Note: If you run across any lights with the 4Sevens name on them they are basically the same thing. The company recently changed their name and logo and revised their product naming conventions. Most of the stuff with the old logos was pushed out at mark down prices. You may still be able to run across some of these online.

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