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    Welcome to Oveready / TorchLAB. Please posts questions here on subjects that do not already have a dedicated thread or are to small and/or broad for a new thread.


    Here are some of the more frequent (FAQ):


    Who are these guys and what's with all the names?

    We are a partnership of two men, operating under two umbrellas:

    Oveready / ElectronGuru / Dan - planning, sales, assembly, etc.
    TorchLAB / Moddoo / Tom - mechanical engineering, production, etc.

    Also on our team is Craig, who handles machining, Serge who handles electrical engineering, and Sarah, AKA FlashlightWidow, handles shipping and customer care (the Oh Drat! patrol).


    Are custom bored bodies thinner than factory cut bodies?

    We cut SF bodies to an inside diameter of 18.65m (coincidence with 18650). This is thinner than the original SF bore and thicker than most '18mm ready' setups, which are often cut to 19mm. Counterintuitively, we would expect shops making a light from scratch that needed to be larger on the inside to also make it larger on the outside, but these same shops also have to deliver compatibility with SF tailcaps. This means that 18, 18.65, and 19 cut bodies are all the same outside diameter, so each increase in inside diameter is accompanied by a decrease in thickness in the walls of the body. So in practice, custom bored SF bodies (and Moddoolar bodies which we cut to the same inside diameter) are thicker/stronger than most bodies made for 18mm cells (which are cut to 19mm for cell maximum compatibility).


    Is your HA any good?

    Hard anodize (type III) comes in a variety of thickness, resulting in a variety of durabilities. The closer you get to maximum thickness (20 mils), the more difficulty and expensive the process. Doing it right requires special equipment, training, and equipment. Our HA is produced by a shop that does nothing but industrial HA, all day long. The thicker it gets, the darker it gets, so even looking at the color of a finish can tell you its durability:

    .0005 < - typical type II (including silver)
    .0006
    .0007 < - limit for ha light colors
    .0008
    .0009
    .0010
    .0011
    .0012 < - limit for ha dark colors (other than black)
    .0013
    .0014
    .0015
    .0016
    .0017
    .0018
    .0019
    .0020 < - OVEREADY spec


    What's with all the stock outs?

    We are a small operation. Much of what we create is experimental, with no known demand and little to no sales history. To keep risk and costs down, everything is made in relatively small batches. When something sells out, it may have taken weeks, months or years to do so. Some sells out, never to be requested again. Others sell out, creating ripples of activity.

    We prioritize new production based on current demand (which can change) but may lack the capacity to produce multiple items at the same time. So even when something is seen in advance to be running out, replacements take longer to arrive.

    In general, items without finishes (like solid brass) and do not require assembly take the least time. Multi part items with finishes (HA/TiAlN) and that require assembly and testing (especially LED/engines), take the most time.


    Why don't you ship every day of the week?

    The people who pull, pack, and ship every order are the same folks who are buying parts, putting them together, and managing inventory. Even starting a shipping run takes up hours, hours that can be spent preparing more of our best products and more new products. Shipping three days a week (usually MWF) concentrates our shipping efforts, allowing us to spend more of our time, making more of the stuff you love.


    Why don't you accept deposits/prepayments?

    Deposits sound like a very easy and effective idea. Accept money for something before its ready to ship, invest the money into the product, then deliver first to those willing to take the risk early. If life were predictable, this would work well. But the world is full of unknowns and surprises. Production delays, quality variances, cost overruns, design changes.

    All deposits do is trade the uncertainty of missing out for the uncertainty of delays and lost money. CPF history is littered with builders who took customer money and ended up not delivering finished product. They are seldom heard from again.

    All OR/TL items are provided on a first come, first serve basis. If something goes wrong during production, we alone bear the risk, hassle, and expense. For the best shot at new items, please subscribe to our email list.


    Why don't you make clips out of Ti?

    We prefer making clips out of stainless steel because ti is more expensive, slows production (unless you use a grade that doesn't hold its shape) and takes more time to produce each clip. In return, its usually 2 grams for SS vs 1 gram for Ti, so the main benefit ends up being bragging rights, something we don't pursuit.


    Why don't you have a phone number?

    We do everything ourselves and lack the resources to operate in real time, being available during specific hours of each day. Email allows us to work any hour, any day, shifting time and priorities to keep up with needs. Tracking is also enhanced, providing history on every issue and conversation - all in one place.


    Why are your prices so [low]?

    Raising prices would solve many issues (including those above). It would reduce demand so stock lasted longer, we would allow us to make larger quantities of parts, we could hire people to do the work for us. We could invest more into production, development, and growth. It would also mean less of what we make ending up in the hands of those who need it most. We have a passion for making the best lighting tools possible and want those tools to be put to the best uses possible - helping you.

    The alternative to achieving all this (at the same or even lower price points) is off-shoring our production. While appealing for various reasons, it would also mean longer production cycles (slower changes/updates), increased design (IP) theft, design/production issues (including lower quality control), and most importantly, would not be in keeping with our own values.


    Why doesn't a $50 Peak look as polished as a $50, imported light?

    Its not possible to make a custom light in the US for $50. Peak only can because flashlights are a secondary business. The area that pays the bills is their machine shop. Flashlight parts, then, are made by people and on machines that are largely already paid for. This keeps costs down, but it also means there isn't enough time or money to make extra parts, hand inspect every facet for imperfections, in anything comparable to the army of production and inspection assistants that $50 per unit will buy overseas. What there is enough time for is cutting a light out of solid stainless steel, ready to bang into your keys all day, every day, for years - without fail.
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    Default Re: Oveready addicted... Am I alone ???

    Hmmm.. By definition, you can't be addicted if you can't even get your first fix!

    Every time I go to their site, nothing is in stock. What's the deal? They really need to up their production. They are losing money.

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    Default Re: Oveready addicted... Am I alone ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Southpaw1969 View Post
    Hmmm.. By definition, you can't be addicted if you can't even get your first fix!

    Every time I go to their site, nothing is in stock. What's the deal? They really need to up their production. They are losing money.
    I will second that. I can never purchase anything from them because they are always out of stock.

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    Default Re: Oveready / TorchLAB - FAQ

    Quote Originally Posted by ElectronGuru View Post
    Please post general questions here.
    How about product questions that currently do not have a dedicated thread for them?
    I had a question on the AA Delrin battery sleeves:

    Custom Delrin Sleeves allow you to install AA batteries into flashlights designed for larger batteries, with no rattle.
    I currently have a Delrin 2AA -> 17mm adaptor from another seller, unfortunately it freely slides out of the SF C3 flashlight body during a battery change.
    Are your 17mm & 18mm adaptors a reasonably snug fit in the SureFire hosts so as to stay in the flashlight body when the 2 AA's are being slid out?

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kestrel View Post
    How about product questions that currently do not have a dedicated thread for them?
    Good point, OP updated.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kestrel View Post
    I had a question on the AA Delrin battery sleeves:

    I currently have a Delrin 2AA -> 17mm adaptor from another seller, unfortunately it freely slides out of the SF C3 flashlight body during a battery change.
    Are your 17mm & 18mm adaptors a reasonably snug fit in the SureFire hosts so as to stay in the flashlight body when the 2 AA's are being slid out?
    Sorry, no. 2AA/17 sleeves are sized for G3's, which have a smaller ID. Your best options are boring the C3 for 18's, then running a 2AA/18 sleeve or asking Martin to custom cut you one.
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    Default Re: Oveready / TorchLAB - FAQ

    Thanks for the quick reply. When you have a moment, if you could post the OD for your 17mm & 18mm sleeves, that would be great, thank you.

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    17's are 17.10 and fit best is bodies at about 17.30
    18's are 18.36 and fit best is bodies bored to 18.65
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    Default Re: Oveready / TorchLAB - FAQ

    The custom HA-BK 6Ps/C2s you have: is the anodizing a 'flatter' black than the type II black that comes standard on the 6Ps? I'm looking for more of a "stealthy" look. I don't like how shiny 6Ps are normally, plus obviously it doesn't wear as well as type III, and I don't have the heart to carry a matte black cerakoted light and ding it up.
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    In general, type II is always glossier than type III. In terms of hosts, you can expect:

    factory type II black - glossy
    or custom type III black - semi gloss
    factory type III black - matte

    factory type III natural - semi gloss (these seem to have a special coating)
    or custom type III natural - matte


    Our custom HA/BK 6P and C2's are a deep black, usually described as 'stealthy'. Its produced by a shop that does industrial HA (exclusively) and holds up well vs other coatings (including other HA). The same coating is used on all TL Triples.
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    Stealthy.... Nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElectronGuru View Post
    17's are 17.10 and fit best is bodies at about 17.30
    18's are 18.36 and fit best is bodies bored to 18.65
    Hi,

    Just to confirm, your C2 bodies are bored to 18.65mm?

    I picked up an Overready bored C2 from CPFMP and am looking for 18650 3400mAh cells?

    HKJ's site shows the 3400s to be a bit fatter than their 3100 counterparts, and some up to 18.7mm thick.

    I just want to make sure the cells I choose will fit.

    Thanks

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    Yes, 18.65mm. The result are bodies thicker than most 'ready made' 18mm bodies, but they do require thinner cells.

    We size our bodies to work with AW cells. AW 3100 cells have fit 100% of the time. We are expecting AW 3400 cells to fit as well.

    Other brands use thicker wrappers/wires/PCBs, creating issues. We've seen problems with other 3100's and expect the same with some 3400's. 3400s are still very new, but I expect to know more next month.
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    Thanks

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    WOW...
    This looks to be the only light one would need. (LOL) Too pricey for me but this is an incredible light that would be perfect for my job.I need to go to their site and see if the head will fit my worn out Jetbeam military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoneguy View Post
    WOW...
    This looks to be the only light one would need. (LOL) Too pricey for me but this is an incredible light that would be perfect for my job.I need to go to their site and see if the head will fit my worn out Jetbeam military.
    Most of the cost of a Moddoolar light is in the head itself. And the head only works with Moddoolar bodies. And the cost difference of the head (vs the Triple drop in) is in the bezel ring and lens.

    The cheapest 'step in' price for the Triple engine is the Triple/60, assuming you already have a suitable host.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElectronGuru View Post
    Most of the cost of a Moddoolar light is in the head itself. And the head only works with Moddoolar bodies. And the cost difference of the head (vs the Triple drop in) is in the bezel ring and lens.

    The cheapest 'step in' price for the Triple engine is the Triple/60, assuming you already have a suitable host.
    Thank you for the info, I have no host for a drop in. This is on my " someday" have to have list...
    Great product !!

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    Default Re: Oveready / TorchLAB - Questions

    I see you now have the AW 18650 3400 mAh on the site. Is the diameter the same as the 3100? and therefore do they fit in your E2E tubes?

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    Great question. Removing the label from a test cell, the AW 3400 fits 1 of my 4 (25%) E2 sample bodies. Its close but i would not consider the E2 compatible with sizes other than 26/29/31.
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    oh so the AW 3400 mAh is more like the other protected 3100/3400 Keeppower/redilast/callie's cells in that it's rather wide I'm guessing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tobrien View Post
    oh so the AW 3400 mAh is more like the other protected 3100/3400 Keeppower/redilast/callie's cells in that it's rather wide I'm guessing?
    Not necessarily, here they don't specifically fit the E2 which is not a normal 18650 light and probably not bored as much as normal 18650 lights.
    He's mentioned that they do fit other bored lights.

    AW are usually some of the thinnest/shortest 18650s around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE_dAY View Post
    Not necessarily, here they don't specifically fit the E2 which is not a normal 18650 light and probably not bored as much as normal 18650 lights.
    He's mentioned that they do fit other bored lights.

    AW are usually some of the thinnest/shortest 18650s around.
    ahhhhhhhh okay thanks man! i forgot the E2 wouldn't be bored as wide lol

    but yeah I love how AWs fit so well
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    Sorry for the confusion. Mr Day is correct.

    3400s have been reported to be to large to fit in normally bored hosts (P/C/Z series). These are no problem for the AW 3400.

    Brunt's question was about E2, which have thinner walls and cannot be bored as large. It is these narrower bores that [even] the AW 3400 is not slim enough to fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElectronGuru View Post
    Sorry for the confusion. Mr Day is correct.

    3400s have been reported to be to large to fit in normally bored hosts (P/C/Z series). These are no problem for the AW 3400.

    Brunt's question was about E2, which have thinner walls and cannot be bored as large. It is these narrower bores that [even] the AW 3400 is not slim enough to fit.
    okay, thank you
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    Default Oveready / TorchLAB - Questions

    Which combination of light engine, cell tube, and tail will give me the most compact 1600 lumen output moddoolar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southpaw1925 View Post
    Which combination of light engine, cell tube, and tail will give me the most compact 1600 lumen output moddoolar?
    While you're at it...what's the OTF lumen output?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Southpaw1925 View Post
    Which combination of light engine, cell tube, and tail will give me the most compact 1600 lumen output moddoolar?
    This one.



    Right about 4" long and 1.25" head.
    To get this short length, it is required to use the ZeroRez Shorty(ZRS) tail "switch" which deletes the clicky switch and allows 15mm more room inside the tailcap.
    This makes it a twisty only for operating. No clicky function with this particular layout. But, it's the shortest layout for getting full max power output.
    The body is a 50mm(TL50) Moddoolar body, and with the extra 15mm in the ZRS equipped diamondback tailcap, you get the full 65-70mm that you need inside.

    Next, it needs 2 batteries to achieve full 1600 lumen output. And in this length they must be a pair of IMR 18350. The run time on High with this battery configuration is only about 18-19 minutes, but it's enough for occasional spotting or short searches, and the run times on the Medium and Low settings are quite decent even with the small batteries.
    Carry a spare set in the Delrin Battery Capsule that I show in my photo above. Also from Oveready.

    The actual configuration is called:
    Oveready TorchLab Moddoolar Shorty-50 H3C Triple XPG2 Cool.
    As long as all the options are in stock, you can select Hi/Med/Lo operation, or Lo/Med/Hi operation, or just single mode Hi only. You just cycle thru them like many other lights do.
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    Default Re: Oveready / TorchLAB - Questions

    Quote Originally Posted by TEEJ View Post
    While you're at it...what's the OTF lumen output?


    I would say it's around 1450 Lumens OTF or maybe a little more. Perhaps close to 1500.
    There are beamshots out there which compare directly(same time/place/person/camera) against Gene Malkoff's Wildcat Triple XPG2 which are measured at 1350 OTF and independently verified, and the Oveready Triple looks just a tad hotter, but not much. You have to really look hard at the photos, but I would say it is apparent. To be able to notice ANY higher brightness in comparison at that level of output is going to take a fair number of lumens more to see it.

    There's no doubt that these are shockingly bright lights.
    If you wanted to conservatively state it, you could say it's at least the same as the Wildcat XPG2 at 1350 lumens OTF, and not be worried about overstating it. I actually think it's a bit higher than that.
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    On the L3N model heads, is there any form of low voltage warning or over-discharge protection for the unprotected batteries?
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    Features depend on the version. All v4 models (of which there a few L3s) include voltage/thermal protection. V3.1 don't have this but will have, for example, reverse cell protection. The letter itself is about power level:

    L = 10 watts
    H = 15 watts


    Check out our version history for feature specifics:

    http://www.oveready.com/triple-three.../prod_269.html
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    Am an old time flashaholic, but a newbie to the Oveready custom light world....please bear with me.

    Studying your website; it appears that the components of a Moddoolar setup are seldom all in stock at once. How does one obtain a specific complete light? Order parts and pieces as they become available; or order a complete light that will ship when all the requested parts can be assembled?

    Thank you for your time.

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