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    Default A suggestion for a new part.

    With the different tube and battery configurations that these Moddoolar lights can have, I wonder if it is possible to make a blank-off cap for covering the threads and o-rings on the head of the tube, so that we can carry our spare battery in the body tube itself without getting dust or damage to it?

    There aren't many carriers for some of these battery sizes, and it seems that we'd need the tube for changing over anyway.
    So, let's say we had a body and tailcap with the battery in it, that we want to carry as a spare battery combo.
    If we had a cap for the head end, we'd have our system ready to screw on to the head, and keep pocket lint out of it while carrying.
    Some might even want to have caps for both ends, so that they can carry their battery inside the body, with both ends protected, so they can swap it on to their other head and tailcap.

    It wouldn't have to be fancy. A simple plastic cap would do.
    But some people might want a fancy alloy screw-on cap with matching colors, and maybe even some trit slots.
    This could be a nice accessory part, and some people like to get fancy with their accessories.

    Actually, your Delrin DB Tailcap could suffice for the tail end, if it had an optional rubber plug to put in the hole. Or even the aluminum DB tailcap, for that matter.
    But we still need something to cover the head threads and o-ring.

    Whadya think?
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    Its a great idea, with a just a few limitations. Flashlight bodies have 2 ends, so to be useful there must be caps on both. As you point out, this could be a new cap at the tail end or an actual tailcap. But to keep the cell from moving about, the cap would need to have a protrusion like a spring. Something as elaborate (read: expensive) as an actual tailcap with switch/spring is more than $50. This is most worth it if the second setup has a different tailcap (changing between twisty and clicky) and/or different length. But this doesn't help the guys wanting a second of the same cell for use with the same configuration.

    We've already given this some thought and have something in mind. Lets revisit this after Insider 39.
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    Default Moddoolar bezel?

    As far as I can tell, the complete range of Moddoolar parts is available at Oveready...but I can't seem to find any Moddoolar bezels, only stock and modded Surefire bezels. This is perplexing. Am I missing something?

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    Default Re: A suggestion for a new part.

    Quote Originally Posted by ElectronGuru View Post
    Its a great idea, with a just a few limitations. Flashlight bodies have 2 ends, so to be useful there must be caps on both. As you point out, this could be a new cap at the tail end or an actual tailcap. But to keep the cell from moving about, the cap would need to have a protrusion like a spring. Something as elaborate (read: expensive) as an actual tailcap with switch/spring is more than $50. This is most worth it if the second setup has a different tailcap (changing between twisty and clicky) and/or different length. But this doesn't help the guys wanting a second of the same cell for use with the same configuration.

    We've already given this some thought and have something in mind. Lets revisit this after Insider 39.
    Thank you!
    I'm pleased that you are already thinking in this direction. I'll look forward to Insider issue 39, and beyond.

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    Default Re: Moddoolar bezel?

    Sorry for the confusion. The three piece Moddoolar system (head/body/tail) is standardized on a head that is smaller than SF heads and does not support P60 drop ins. This head is only available self contained and cannot be opened, beyond the lens/ring. P60 adapters are available so Moddoolar bodies can be used to build even more setups. Popular combinations include the Cryos, Smoothie, and custom Z41 bezels.

    That being said, Moddoolar tailcaps were added and it is possible to make bezels that would work with Moddoolar and other bodies. What kind of bezel were you looking for?
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    Default Re: Moddoolar bezel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElectronGuru View Post
    Sorry for the confusion. The three piece Moddoolar system (head/body/tail) is standardized on a head that is smaller than SF heads and does not support P60 drop ins. This head is only available self contained and cannot be opened, beyond the lens/ring. P60 adapters are available so Moddoolar bodies can be used to build even more setups. Popular combinations include the Cryos, Smoothie, and custom Z41 bezels.

    That being said, Moddoolar tailcaps were added and it is possible to make bezels that would work with Moddoolar and other bodies. What kind of bezel were you looking for?
    As you state, the Moddoolar system includes a P60 adaptor. So, I'm looking for a bezel to use with the P60 adaptor, that will match the other Moddoolar parts. The Cryos bezel looks okay, but it doesn't actually match the diamond-crosshatched battery tube and tailcap, and not all applications are high-powered enough to benefit from the fins anyway. I'm not saying a hypothetical Moddoolar bezel would need to be diamond-crosshatched (though a variation on the Smoothie that has similar crosshatching might look nice), but at least intentionally designed to complement the other parts of the Moddoolar system. The bezel is the one part that's missing at this point.

    - - -

    Another idea, somewhat more pie-in-the-sky: it would also be nice if you could make an adaptor sleeve to make Malkoff drop-ins fit snugly into P60-compatible hosts. (provided the hosts are milled to the same internal dimensions as Surefires, of course -- there's no way to account for cheap knock-offs.) Then anyone with a Surefire or 100%-compatible host (such as a Moddoolar light with a P60 adaptor and bezel, nudge nudge) could use a Malkoff with the same excellent heatsinking properties as an Elzetta, without being locked into a single brand of drop-in for future upgrades.

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    By the way, the root cause of all this speculation is this:



    It works, but the Solarforce host is cheap and parts only sorta fit properly. If I could assemble the Malkoff drop-in I'm using in this light into a Moddoolar bezel + P60 adaptor + Malkoff sleeve that would hold everything snugly -- and look good doing it -- that would be excellent.
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    Default Re: A suggestion for a new part.

    I think a blanking cap on the head-end of the battery tube and a normal tailcap with a built-in switch would work fine. It would give the owner the option to have an extra tailcap with different functionality, or a spare tailcap in case of switch failure.

    Alternately, a switchless Delrin version of the diamond-crosshatched tailcap could be made, and fitted with a plug of soft foam instead of a spring. That would keep cost to a minimum. I think the "spare switch" approach is better overall, though.

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    Are you guys open to suggested product ideas?
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    Default Product idea - ti pocket clip for the Surefire e-series light

    Don Mcleish posted a clever modification to the largely useless pocket clip on the Surefire e-series of lights: http://dmcleish.com/CPF/L1/lanyard-loop.jpg

    Have you given any thought to a titanium replacement lanyard loop for the SF e-series? Either in a pattern similar to the one above, or back and flush along the body?

    For that matter, a ti-replacement pocket clip would probably be well-received, too.
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    Default Re: Product idea - ti pocket clip for the Surefire e-series light

    I was wondering the same, thanks for posting!

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    Default Re: Product idea - ti pocket clip for the Surefire e-series light

    Quote Originally Posted by TMedina View Post
    Don Mcleish posted a clever modification to the largely useless pocket clip on the Surefire e-series of lights: http://dmcleish.com/CPF/L1/lanyard-loop.jpg

    Have you given any thought to a titanium replacement lanyard loop for the SF e-series? Either in a pattern similar to the one above, or back and flush along the body?

    For that matter, a ti-replacement pocket clip would probably be well-received, too.
    ++1

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    Default Re: Product idea - ti pocket clip for the Surefire e-series light

    I'm pretty sure that the idea has come up already somewhere, but if your delrin bezel rings were available in GITD plastic, that might be a nice option ...

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    Default Re: Product idea - ti pocket clip for the Surefire e-series light

    Quote Originally Posted by Kestrel View Post
    I'm pretty sure that the idea has come up already somewhere, but if your delrin bezel rings were available in GITD plastic, that might be a nice option ...
    +1

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    Default Re: Product idea - ti pocket clip for the Surefire e-series light

    I have another thought about the end cap idea.

    If the end caps screwed on to each end, with your concept of some method to hold the batteries from rattling around, AND had some very thin walls that exended all the way down the outside of the tube and met in the middle, it would cover the whole thing and protect it from scratches.

    Example:
    Let's say you had a TL34 with a 18350 in it as a spare in your pocket.
    And there were end caps that could fit over the whole TL34 and cover it from end to end with very thin walls of delrin or something, as well as covering the threads and securing the batteries from rattling around inside, it would meet all the needs at one time.
    The needs being:
    1)Cover the threads of the TL34 from damage.
    2)Allow battery to be inside the TL34 for spare/storage.
    3) Prevent battery from being battered inside the TL34 during pocket carry.
    4) Protect the outside of the TL34 from being scratched by keys or coins or whatever in your pocket, during carry.
    5) Have the most minimal suitable wall thickness so that it is protective, but as unobtrusive as possible in your pocket. Not too thick.

    Basically it would be similar for any one of the different length bodies.
    Having it enabled to hang from a P7 suspension clip wouldn't hurt, either.

    Just some various ideas thrown out there to chew on. I think it never hurts to have some suggestions coming in, with good intentions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fyrstormer View Post
    I'm looking for a bezel to use with the P60 adaptor, that will match the other Moddoolar parts. ...The bezel is the one part that's missing at this point.
    The P60 adapter was not intended to be part of a complete light, but rather to extend functionality for Moddoolar owners. With the wide assortment of bezels already available, however, it has proven to be a popular option for those building a host from scratch. Many of our bezel options are based on SF product that will soon be unavailable or impractical. When they are, replacing them with a style that compliments the DB knurling is a great idea.


    Quote Originally Posted by fyrstormer View Post
    Another idea, somewhat more pie-in-the-sky: it would also be nice if you could make an adaptor sleeve to make Malkoff drop-ins fit snugly into P60-compatible hosts.
    Its not clear why the Malkoff M series was not originally designed to be snug (necessitating that malkoff hosts be incompatible with everything else), but for SF, making such a sleeve would not be universal enough (fit with enough repeatability) to be practical product. For Moddoolar, the Malkoff already makes solid contact at several points at the top and bottom of the package.


    Quote Originally Posted by twl View Post
    If the end caps screwed on to each end, with your concept of some method to hold the batteries from rattling around, AND had some very thin walls that exended all the way down the outside of the tube and met in the middle, it would cover the whole thing and protect it from scratches.
    If I'm reading you correctly, the two ends would thread onto the body threads and reach out to each other, sealing the ends and encapsulating the entire body. Very clever! There are several design and production challenges to it and we are already committed to a self contained solution and need to see it through, but I will keep this mind.


    Quote Originally Posted by TMedina View Post
    Have you given any thought to a titanium replacement lanyard loop for the SF e-series? Either in a pattern similar to the one above, or back and flush along the body?

    For that matter, a ti-replacement pocket clip would probably be well-received, too.
    There are 2 implicit questions:

    1) why don't you make clips out of ti? We prefer making clips out of stainless steel because ti is more expensive, slows production (unless you use a grade that doesn't hold its shape) and takes more time for each clip. In return, its usually 2 grams for SS vs 1 gram for Ti, so the main benefit ends up being bragging rights, something we don't pursuit.

    2) why don't you make E series clips/attachments? We have something in mind for E series, but it wouldn't rely on factory attachment points.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kestrel View Post
    I'm pretty sure that the idea has come up already somewhere, but if your delrin bezel rings were available in GITD plastic, that might be a nice option ...
    Delrin is one of my favorite materials. If we found a source of GID delrin, we would making all kinds of stuff with it. Orange and yellow seem to be available (at greater cost), but would not be as universally more popular.


    Quote Originally Posted by TMedina View Post
    Are you guys open to suggested product ideas?
    We receive many requests. Some of which can inspire new products, some of which can shape the direction of projects already in mind or underway. In general, if there's something amazing we're not already doing, chances are that its because its lower on our priority list.

    One of our favorite roles is maker of stuff that is to risky for bigger companies to try. But that also means not being big enough to make it all at once.
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    Default Re: Oveready / TorchLAB - Suggestions

    Quote Originally Posted by ElectronGuru View Post




    If I'm reading you correctly, the two ends would thread onto the body threads and reach out to each other, sealing the ends and encapsulating the entire body. Very clever! There are several design and production challenges to it and we are already committed to a self contained solution and need to see it through, but I will keep this mind..
    You read me EXACTLY right!
    Thanks! I hope that helps in some way.

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    Default Re: Oveready / TorchLAB - ETA Requests

    Hi Dan,

    I have a P60 L3n XP-E triple on the way and had some time playing with 4500K Nichia 219 triples as well... This is a bit niche but would you consider a run of Warm White 219 triples or XP-E triples?

    The existing crop of 4500K tint of the XP-Es and 219s currently on sale in your drop-ins can still appear a bit cool or pale in the jungle especially on lower outputs. On high, they look brilliant and it's been proven that tint isn't much of a concern to most people if the environment is well lit-up. However, at dimmer levels like on medium or low, warmer tints have been shown to be more widely pleasant to our vision and these were also my personal findings humbly presented. There are sub-4000K 219s available right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flea Bag View Post
    Hi Dan,

    I have a P60 L3n XP-E triple on the way and had some time playing with 4500K Nichia 219 triples as well... This is a bit niche but would you consider a run of Warm White 219 triples or XP-E triples?

    The existing crop of 4500K tint of the XP-Es and 219s currently on sale in your drop-ins can still appear a bit cool or pale in the jungle especially on lower outputs. On high, they look brilliant and it's been proven that tint isn't much of a concern to most people if the environment is well lit-up. However, at dimmer levels like on medium or low, warmer tints have been shown to be more widely pleasant to our vision and these were also my personal findings humbly presented. There are sub-4000K 219s available right?

    Having spent a decent amount of time in our northern "jungles" , your request makes a lot of sense to me.
    My headlamps are modded to a nice warm (sub 3500K) and they just feel right in the deep woods.
    Part of the reason may be that the brain/eyes adjust to campfire light color.
    The glow of a low output warm light is what I prefer for general camp tasks.

    We do have some HI CRI XPG 3200K in stock that we could build for you sometime soon.

    Any reason you mentioned the XPE for this warm light?
    I am actually using a diffuser with my warm xpg triple around camp for an extra floody beam.

    Nichia are much more difficult to source in small quantities, and special tints.

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    Default Re: Oveready / TorchLAB - Suggestions

    Please note, the warmer an LED is, the less efficient. Even in an H3 setup, a
    3200/xpg triple would be under emitter 1000 lumens. Would you still want it?
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    Dan, Moddoo, yes I would definitely still desire such a light even if under 1000 lumens. In fact, total output on high doesn't concern me that much. I estimate 99% of my runtime will be on medium. This will be on a single li-ion when hand-held (lower output, less heat) for walking in the wilderness. On my bike I'll use two cells on medium for a little more output and better endurance while heat is less of a concern since there's ample airflow and I'm not holding the light.

    I guess I'm a very niche segment of the market... I actually bought the triple XP-E because I wanted a significant upgrade to my Malkoff M60 without the sharp spill cut-off one gets from a reflectored setup from the newer Malkoffs. So actually efficient and cooler running at the 200 to 300 or so lumen range is 95% of the reason why I bought a triple. Max output will only be used for when throw is sometimes needed. Even then, I'm happy with the throw on my M60 and from my research, the triple XP-E will equal the M60's throw. That's all I'm looking for really: A good forest/exploration light and a good bike light.

    I'd actually prefer the XP-E in warm tints (even as warm as 3200 or 3000K is fine if 3500 or 3700K isn't available) because of its throw/spill ratio. Forgive my comment but there's something about the triple XP-G's beam that I don't quite find as natural as the triple XP-E. I even found the triple 219 to have a better beam pattern than the triple XP-G which is wierd since it's even more of a flood than the XP-Gs. Since the 219s are hard to source in small quantities, I'd defintely be very happy if a warm XP-E setup could be done. It'll have better throw too. I wouldn't mind waiting for a warm XP-E2 setup either.

    I know there are a few hardcore L3n XP-E fans here. Just hope there's enough of us to make a warm XP-E/E2 setup viable.
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    Good info. v4 L's cost the same to produce as v4 H's.

    A key factor with LEDs is now maximum power:


    LEDs limited to 10 watts (L)

    xpe
    xpe2

    LEDs able to run 15 watts (H)

    219
    xpg
    xpg2


    So a warm xpe L3 would produce well under half the lumens of a cool xpg2 H3, for the same price. It is an unpopular compromise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElectronGuru View Post
    Good info. v4 L's cost the same to produce as v4 H's.

    A key factor with LEDs is now maximum power:


    LEDs limited to 10 watts (L)

    xpe
    xpe2

    LEDs able to run 15 watts (H)

    219
    xpg
    xpg2


    So a warm xpe L3 would produce well under half the lumens of a cool xpg2 H3, for the same price. It is an unpopular compromise.
    I was looking at the binning sheet for the XP-E2s just now. But I'd still stick my head out and say that I'd still buy it though! I guess the closest I can get to what I want that falls within popular demand is a warm XP-G2.
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    If I might make a suggestion, there are those Lee Filters and other filters for professional stage lighting that can be cut to a disc and placed over the window and the ring screwed down to hold them on, and you can make any tint you want, including warm. Yes, it slightly cuts the output because of the filter, but certainly no more than a warm LED would do, and probably much less loss. And you could do it to any light you want to with this filter material. And it's quite inexpensive.

    Just trying to offer some way for you to get what you want, in a market of very few participants who want something that warm, vs a manufacturer's dilemma of having to produce a product with very few potential purchasers.
    I like my XPE L3N at 4500k, but I could never handle something down in the 3000k-4000k area. 4500k is the outer limits toward "warm" that I could possibly tolerate.

    On the other hand, if Dan and Tom want to put out a limited run, or something, on the warm side like that, then you'll be a lucky guy!
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    Default Re: Oveready / TorchLAB - Suggestions

    My suggestion would be a single CR123a battery carrier, and also a double CR123a battery carrier possbiltiy made out of delrin. There just not many battery carrier options out there. I believe they would sell good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twl View Post
    If I might make a suggestion, there are those Lee Filters and other filters for professional stage lighting that can be cut to a disc and placed over the window and the ring screwed down to hold them on, and you can make any tint you want, including warm. Yes, it slightly cuts the output because of the filter, but certainly no more than a warm LED would do, and probably much less loss. And you could do it to any light you want to with this filter material. And it's quite inexpensive.

    Just trying to offer some way for you to get what you want, in a market of very few participants who want something that warm, vs a manufacturer's dilemma of having to produce a product with very few potential purchasers.
    I like my XPE L3N at 4500k, but I could never handle something down in the 3000k-4000k area. 4500k is the outer limits toward "warm" that I could possibly tolerate.

    On the other hand, if Dan and Tom want to put out a limited run, or something, on the warm side like that, then you'll be a lucky guy!
    Thanks for that suggestion! However, I'm surprised that a filter (although a well reputed one as the Lees) would do better than a purpose-built warm emitter since the filter is actually absorbing the cooler spectrum while letting through what little warmth the LED originally had! CRI may drop perhaps? In any case, cutting out a filter is right up my alley. I've made my own (crude) partial diffusers and still use them to tailor a beam to my liking. That's why I ordered the XP-E: So I have some room for diffusion if the beam isn't floody enough!

    About that other point you made, indeed I'm very surprised and grateful that Tom even suggested the 3200K XP-G triple build and 'soon'! Great support there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GLOCK 22 View Post
    My suggestion would be a single CR123a battery carrier, and also a double CR123a battery carrier possbiltiy made out of delrin. There just not many battery carrier options out there. I believe they would sell good.
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    Awesome, I'll be watching.

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    Default Re: Oveready / TorchLAB - Suggestions

    Regarding twl's original thoughts in post #2, I would find a threaded cap useful. Basically I would like to carry Moddoolar heads and Z44+interface combinations along with the following:

    A TL65 fitted with Triad and two IMR 18350.
    A TL100 fitted with a Triad and two P18500.
    A TL130 fitted with a Triad and two P18650.

    The idea is that I could put a head on whichever body set I wanted and the other two bodies would have their head threads and O-ring protected.

    Fenix used to produce such a plastic threaded cap. It's so simple but so useful.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GLOCK 22 View Post
    My suggestion would be a single CR123a battery carrier, and also a double CR123a battery carrier possbiltiy made out of delrin. There just not many battery carrier options out there.
    Quote Originally Posted by twl View Post
    Thank you!
    I'm pleased that you are already thinking in this direction. I'll look forward to Insider issue 39, and beyond.
    Ready to go:

    http://www.oveready.com/battery-/sto...rt/cat_81.html
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