*new* Fenix HP25

Flood mode; Low 4lumens Mid 45lumens High 90lumens turbo 170lumens
Spot mode; low 45lumens mid 90lumens high 170lumens

525ft throw, 6400cd

Looks very interesting.


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Will probably be my new headlamp

Looks nice, but why they are keep using the AA size batteries ??

4XAA NiMH = 4,8V * 2500mAh = 12Wh @ 121,8g

2x18650 Li-Ion = 3,7V * 6700mAh = 24,79Wh @ 91,7g (NCR18650B)

So 25% less weght and 100% more energy... And they already have 2x18650 battery pack made for BT20

I like more info

What is the advantage to the Hp11? Its not actually 340 lumens its just 170. Im satisfied with the HP11 and the diffuser, but im curious what people say when it comes out.

Szemhazai said:

Looks nice, but why they are keep using the AA size batteries ??

4XAA NiMH = 4,8V * 2500mAh = 12Wh @ 121,8g

2x18650 Li-Ion = 3,7V * 6700mAh = 24,79Wh @ 91,7g (NCR18650B)

So 25% less weght and 100% more energy... And they already have 2x18650 battery pack made for BT20

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I think they keep it with AA's because they are easier to find.

kj2, ask the users of : Zebra H600, Spark ST6, SD6, SX5, Ultrafire UF-H6... :candle:

arizona1 said:

What is the advantage to the Hp11? Its not actually 340 lumens its just 170. Im satisfied with the HP11 and the diffuser, but im curious what people say when it comes out.

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Maybe the 340 lumens occurs when both the LEDs are on at once instead of just choosing one?

Szemhazai said:

kj2, ask the users of : Zebra H600, Spark ST6, SD6, SX5, Ultrafire UF-H6... :candle:

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I love my H600 but I use a Spark sd52 for wildland fire season due to the fact that AA's are everywhere in fire camp for our radios/comms. Would love a dual setup, I currently run the sd52 without the add on reflector with a Eagletac p20a2 mkii updated to 14500 c2 module for distance.

Szemhazai said:

Looks nice, but why they are keep using the AA size batteries ??... 2x18650 Li-Ion = 3,7V ...

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Some of us don't like the idea of multiple Li-Ions next to our brains...I might do a single 18650 with a helmet, but never two 18650s for a headlamp. Yeah, my cell phone has a single li-ion, but I don't hold it next to my brain either. ALTHOUGH, 4AAs is an awful lot of AAs. I find 3AAs to be a bit much. And why can't Fenix do as Spark did, allow multiple cell options? AA, AAA, or various li-ions, as the user chooses?

Back to the light...So to get 340 lumens I guess you turn on 170 lumens of spot and 170 lumens of flood?

Looks interesting, it seems we are getting more consumer-level versions of cave lights as we go forward. Can't help compare this to the Spark SX5 which has similar specs on 3AAs (with several li-ion options as well), except the SX5 puts all 350/320 lumens into a single beam (spot or flood, depending whether you leave the reflector or pull it).

Szemhazai said:

kj2, ask the users of : Zebra H600, Spark ST6, SD6, SX5, Ultrafire UF-H6... :candle:

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and maybe they choose for AA, so that non-flashaholics also choose for this light.

Szemhazai said:

Looks nice, but why they are keep using the AA size batteries ??

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Szemhazai said:

kj2, ask the users of : Zebra H600, Spark ST6, SD6, SX5, Ultrafire UF-H6... :candle:

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I often see this EXCLAMATION!! of distress when a manufacturer has the gall to use the most common battery available on this planet. Yes, why don't the manufacturers make their light specialist and severely limit their potential market? :thinking:


Sounds good. Go for a battery type that the vast majority of people don't know exists (as it might be in the laptop battery packs, but they will not have opened on up to look) so that they then need to buy into a new type of cell and charger.
:twothumbs



Although kj2 said this already I felt the need to reinforce the message.

kj2 said:

I think they keep it with AA's because they are easier to find.

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kj2 said:

and maybe they choose for AA, so that non-flashaholics also choose for this light.

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Fenix is aiming for mass market appeal, not the wishes of a minority who use specialist cells. AAs are also intrinsically far safer.

I think Fenix got this right of course this is just IMHO.

Finally, a mass-market twin-beam light with decent control.

Personally, if I was going to buy one I'd like a lower setting on the spot to allow for subtler augmentation of a flood, but that's just my own taste.

I really hope this light does well, and encourages other manufacturers to produce their own twin-beam models.

It looks really interesting. Construction looks sturdly, I hope.

People which do outdoor sports like AA batteries and they dont use 18650 batteries. I know that Li-ion is better chice.
On the other side you can use LiFePO4 batteries. LiFePO4 are cheaper than Nimh, also they have less capacity. You save 62g weight with using LiFePo4 (on the head).

2x14500=36g + 2x14500 placeholeder=10g Overall: 46g
4xAA Nimh=108g Overall: 108g

I don't like protected lithium-ions cutting my light off and leave me in the dark.

blah9 said:

Maybe the 340 lumens occurs when both the LEDs are on at once instead of just choosing one?

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I'm wondering about this too. The runtimes show the individual light but I wonder what happens with both lights on? I do hope that it will be possible to have both on. Could have thrown in a red led for good measure too ...

It does talk about 'controlled individually' and 'spot and flood combinations'.

It's possible to have a table of runtimes for all the various spot and flood combinations, but personally, I'd be happy with simple figures for a single beam I can easily remember, and then work things out for myself.

If the combined runtime is predictable from the individual ones, I don't need a table.
If it isn't predictable, I'm not likely to remember all the elements in a 3 or 4 power level (plus zero) grid, and I doubt many people would be.

It's quite easy to calculate - if the turbo mode does not switch off after 5 minutes .

Based on 12Wh (4,8 2500mAh) battery pack it should be looking like that :

340 lumens (Spot - high, flood turbo) - 2h 20
260 lumens (Spot high, flood high) - 3h
180 lumens (Spot mid, flood high) - 5h

So the real runtime based on ANSI should be 2:20 or 3 hours.

It does seem interesting that the 170 lumen level is 'high' on the spot and 'turbo' on the flood.

If it really is a timed boost, giving an actual runtime figure for it would be somewhat misleading.