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    Default Test/Review of Eneloop AA HR-3UTGB 1900mAh (White)

    Eneloop AA HR-3UTGB 1900mAh (White)



    Official specifications:
    • Capacity typical: 2000mAh
    • Capacity minimum: 1900mAh
    • Nominal voltage: 1.2V
    • Fast charge: 2000mA
    • Life cycles: up to 1800
    • Self-Discharge: approx. 70% capacity after 5 years




    Maximum temperature raise at different discharge currents: 1A:+1,2°C, 2A:+3,3°C, 3A:+5,8°C, 5A:+11,3°C, 7A:+16,6°C, 10A:+22,1°C,











    These batteries can handle large discharge currents..















    Conclusion

    These batteries have over the years proves to be very good batteries for just about any application I have used them in.
    I really like the low self discharge and the ability to deliver high currents.



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    Many thanks for another excellent review HKJ . eneloop aa are excellent batteries, and with the above data you can see why they are highly recommended.
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    Nice work! Does this mean you'll be doing other NiMH battery tests and reviews in the future?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Floppy View Post
    Nice work! Does this mean you'll be doing other NiMH battery tests and reviews in the future?
    I have planned a few and there will probably come other later, but not anything like the LiIon tests.

    The actual test takes about 8 days (0.1A test is slow).
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    Your test results corresponds very well with what my MAHA C9000 test my batteries to. I find that the standard AA Eneloops to perform a little on the low side, while the AAAs however have consistently been very close around 800 mAh. I just got some of the latest generation AA XX cells (3UWXB), I have just tested one pack yet, but so far they are really impressive, they gave from 2566 to 2583 mAh. This is up to 37% more than the standard cells. So I'm changing to the XX cells in equipment where more runtime is of importance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    I have planned a few and there will probably come other later, but not anything like the LiIon tests.

    The actual test takes about 8 days (0.1A test is slow).
    I really appreciate the time. It's also really nice to see the internal resistance figure. I knew it was low but that is on par with some LiIons. How do you calculate this by the way? Open circuit voltage and voltage under load?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Floppy View Post
    Open circuit voltage and voltage under load?
    For NiMH I uses the voltage at 1A and the voltage at 3.5A.
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    Are these eneloops Available in the States i did see them on Amazon but that was about it i wouldn't having a Set..

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    Excellent test review. HKJ! I've used these batteries for several years.

    Thanks for your hard work for doing different test.
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    Default Re: Test/Review of Eneloop AA HR-3UTGB 1900mAh (White)

    I wonder if these batteries were brand new out of the pack when they were tested, or if they had been cycled a few times first? It is often reported that eneloops gain performance after a few cycles and if they were brand new it might explain the slightly low capacity measurements?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Happy View Post
    I wonder if these batteries were brand new out of the pack when they were tested, or if they had been cycled a few times first? It is often reported that eneloops gain performance after a few cycles and if they were brand new it might explain the slightly low capacity measurements?
    I did give them one break-in on my MH-C9000, before I tested them. The Maha did also report higher capacity than I measured, this might be due to the way they are charged.
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    Thank you for another excellent review, HKJ.

    I bought 8 of these batteries. My intention was to make a 5-cell battery pack for my R/C car transmitter and using the other 3 in my flashlights. First of all, I “soft conditioned” them all with my MAHA C808M charger. Then, I discharged them @ .3A, individually, down to .9V with my hobby charger. Their capacities were as follows:

    #1: 975 mAh (second discharge w/o recharging: 281 mAh, total: 1256 mAh).
    #2: 90 mAh (second discharge w/o recharging: 1657 mAh, total: 1747 mAh).
    #3: 1750 mAh
    #4: 1750 mAh
    #5: 1751 mAh (despite initial voltage sag).
    #6: 1783 mAh
    #7: 1731 mAh
    #8: 1769 mAh

    I “soft conditioned” them all, a second time. Then, I increased the discharge current to 1A. Their capacities down to .9V were as follows:

    #1: 2 mAh (severe voltage sag. Second discharge w/o recharging: 281 mAh)
    #2: 50 mAh (severe voltage sag. Second discharge w/o recharging: no avail).
    #3: 1479 mAh
    #4: 1385 mAh
    #5: 1341 mAh (despite initial voltage sag).
    #6: 1491 mAh
    #7: 1479 mAh
    #8: 1493 mAh

    It was clear that #1, 2 and 5 were not eligible for my pack but I gave #4 another chance because it did not sag @1A discharge rate. It was just a little lazier than the best ones. I charged it individually @ .5A but it didn't seem to give a clue to the charger for terminating the charge cycle. When I manually terminated the charge cycle, it was @ 1.70V and 3600 mAh were pumped in it! I was surprised that it was just warm, not hot at all! I was further surprised when it supplied 1711 mAh @1A discharge down to .9V. It was not toasted. To the opposite, it was now the best performer of the lot. Since my MAHA C808M charges @ 1A during “soft conditioning”, I concluded that the slower charge rate of .5A did the trick. Am I correct in my assumption?

    Anyway, I made the pack with cells #4, 8, 6, 3 and 7. I gave the pack .5A charge and 1A discharge down to 4.5V (.9 volt/cell). It supplied 1851 mAh! Better than #4 alone!! I repeated the same cycle and the pack was very consistent: 1856 mAh.

    I made another cycle at double the charge rate: 1A charge and 1A discharge to 4.5V. I was expecting a drop in capacity due to higher charge current but the pack supplied exactly 1856 mAh again. If lower charge rate had made the above trick, the capacity of the pack should have been reduced after doubling the charge rate. Shall I conclude that the merits of multiple initial cycling overruled the stress of doubling the charge rate?

    I now have a very consistent pack, with more than enough juice for my R/C transmitter and its extremely low self-discharge rate is a big bonus. It doesn't miss charge terminations either. It peaked @ 7.67 and 7.70V at .5A charge rate (1.534 and 1.54 V/cell, respectively). This climbed to 7.85V (1.57V/cell) @ 1A charge rate. I would like to charge the pack faster. Even if the official specs seem to allow 2A charge rate, would this harm the cells? If not; shall I expect reduced capacity? Or, is it probable that this would lead to another surprise like further increased capacity (again @ 1A discharge rate, of course)?

    I think #1 and #2 are crap. Is this correct? If so, would you like to suggest a cycling method or something for recovering #5? This may be a good excuse for buying a new single AA cell flashlight!

    Thank you for reading all this. I couldn’t consult w/o letting you know my findings. Besides, this may be an interesting story, after all…

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    Hello Bucur,

    One of the interesting things about LSD cells is that they seem to form a passivation layer across the electrode. This slows down the self discharge rate but also can interfere with initial performance if the cells have been idle for an extended period of time.

    When matching Eneloop cells for a battery pack I will cycle them 4 - 5 times charging at 1000 mA and discharging at 500 mA. I pay attention to the charge cycle to make sure the end of charge has been detected and occasionally will have to manually terminate the charge. I don't pay any attention to the discharge capacity during this process.

    At the end of this "waking up" process I will then do a Break In utilizing a 16 hour 0.1C charge, followed by a rest period, then ending with a 0.2C discharge. That gives me an idea of the maximum capacity I can expect from the cell. At this point I am ready to match the cells for the battery. I will charge and discharge at rates similar to how the cell is expected to be used and match the performance based upon those numbers.

    You may find that the capacities move around a little until you have 10 or so charge/discharge cycles on them. Still it looks like you have a good matched set for your transmitter. The other cells may come back into line just by running a few more charge/discharge cycles on them.

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    Thanks a lot, Silverfox. I noted down your suggestions for the future. This is an invaluable guideline for me.

    I wonder if I can still improve the performance of the pack before starting to actually use it. With the exception of the initial discharge at 300ma, I have always discharged the individual cells and the pack at 1000ma. Would you suggest a few cycles @ 1000ma charge and 500ma discharge rates even after what I have already done?

    If so, I can then break-in the pack as per your “waking up” process. Would this still be beneficial or is it too late for this?

    In any case, what would you like to suggest about charging @ 2000ma? I have no temp probe but the pack gets warmer @ 1A charge rate than it gets @.5A. I can even say that it gets slightly hot. I am pretty sure it will get hot @ 2A. I know such a subjective temp description doesn’t mean a lot but what is your general opinion about 2A charge rate?

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    Default Re: Test/Review of Eneloop AA HR-3UTGB 1900mAh (White)

    Hello Bucur,

    By this time your cells should be OK to just use.

    I have found that charging that 1000 mA works very well for Eneloop cells. With that said I have no issues with charging at higher rates. 1000 mA is convenient for me so I tend to use that more than other rates. In a rush I have even used 15 minute chargers with Eneloop cells without problems.

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    Thanks again, Tom. I will stick to 1A charge rate unless I am in a real hurry.

    Given that Eneloops are LSD batteries, I would also appreciate your suggestions on how to treat my new pack. My routine with non-LSD NiMH battery packs was recharging them just before using and discharging them just afterwards, no matter how much capacity I had used. I was keeping them in discharged state for a week or so until recharging them for the next session. During the off season, I was cycling them monthly or so.

    If I use only 15-20% of the capacity of my Eneloop pack during a single session, would it be reasonable to keep it 80-85% full afterwards for a week or so and then, repeating this for several weeks until re-charging is called for? Nevertheless, I would discharge the pack to .9V/cell before recharging.

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    Default Re: Test/Review of Eneloop AA HR-3UTGB 1900mAh (White)

    Hello Bucur,

    Eneloop cells have changed things a lot. The current thinking is to use them until they are discharged and them charge them back up. If it takes a few years to do so then that is just the way it is. I run a charge/discharge cycle every 6 months just out of habit but I am not sure that is needed. Once a year may be fine. The only thing that seems to destroy these cells is leaving them trickle charging for extended periods of time.

    If you have extras that you plan on storing for 3 - 5 years it is probably best to go with the factory charge of about 75%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverFox View Post
    Eneloop cells have changed things a lot. The current thinking is to use them until they are discharged and them charge them back up. If it takes a few years to do so then that is just the way it is.
    I haven't heard that there is any problem with topping them up before use. I usually charge mine about twice a week for the ones I use in my main flashlights, even though they probably still have well over half a charge. I've never noticed any problem doing this, in fact, I think NiMH have always been "memory effect" free.

    Where did you get your information that it is better to deplete their charge entirely before recharging?

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    Default Re: Test/Review of Eneloop AA HR-3UTGB 1900mAh (White)

    Hello Etsu,

    With Eneloops it doesn't seem to matter. Both topping them up or using them until they are empty seem to work fine.

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    Default Re: Test/Review of Eneloop AA HR-3UTGB 1900mAh (White)

    Quote Originally Posted by SilverFox View Post

    Eneloop cells have changed things a lot. The current thinking is to use them until they are discharged and them charge them back up. If it takes a few years to do so then that is just the way it is.
    Quote Originally Posted by SilverFox View Post

    With Eneloops it doesn't seem to matter. Both topping them up or using them until they are empty seem to work fine.
    The above sound more like revolution than evolution! My old transmitter pack was LiFe. That is, I am shifting from LiFe to NiMH but with Eneloops, this seems to be a step forward rather than a step back. Sure, LiFe stores more energy per volume/weight but it needs delicate periodic maintenance, balance charging, etc.. Besides, it doesn't last half as long despite all this maintenance.

    LiFe makes sense for high current applications like electric motors and when weight/mass reduction is crucial. I also use LiPo and/or LiMN (IMR) in my newer flashlights but IMHO Eneloop is the way to go when it comes to low-drain electronics.

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