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    Default Re: New Xeray XV-LX70. Killer Polarion PH50.

    Quote Originally Posted by karlthev View Post
    Unfortunately, interest here has been delayed or lost...Karl
    Patriot and BVH are both doing reviews, Patriot should be able to get started next week. BVH a couple of weeks later.

    It should all be completed in the next 4 weeks or so.
    Christmas and New Years holidays could delay the reports a little, not sure at this time.

    Then we will likely try another group buy.
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    Default Re: New Xeray XV-LX70. Killer Polarion PH50.

    Well now, this IS good news! Very much excited about the reviews and another possible future group buy!


    Karl

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    Quote Originally Posted by karlthev View Post
    Well now, this IS good news! Very much excited about the reviews and another possible future group buy!


    Karl
    I'm also excited about the review

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    I received the XeRay last night, late via FedEx, before heading off to Christmas parties. I just finished another tonight and have only spent about an hour inspecting and using the light, despite my excitement to have it in hand.

    I won't have pictures of the light posted until tomorrow but plan to do that along with beamshots, beam videos, a full review video and possibly a comparison video. That would entail the XeRay and another light, if it's up to the challenge, for an overnight backpacking trip in the AZ mountains. It will be an equipment logistics nightmare. Having just added up the 5.1lbs of weight the XeRay has my pack up to 67lbs with the other lights, tripods, cameras, food, water and cold weather gear.

    First impressions of the light:

    1)Smaller than I thought it would be based on existing pictures.
    2)The switch is ingenious! Smooth, consistent, and very SAFE!
    3)The polycarbonate handle is fantastic, well balanced and seems to be very tough!
    4)Without having compared it to anything else, the output looks spectacular on it's own. I'm excited to do beamshots!

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    Hi Patriot
    67lbs of gear? Thanks a lot for your hard work & highly expecting for yours & BVH’s great reviews!

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    Quote Originally Posted by karlthev View Post
    Wow, going to take this light backpacking???!!!! Maybe just a tad over gunned in the lighting department? I've always gone LIGHTER (weight that is!) when backpacking....carrying a spare battery as well? Not sure this was intended to be a backpacking light... Hey Patriot, what say you?


    I was reading through the thread again and caught this Karl. Sorry for the initial miss, but this is a favorite subject of mine!

    From a practical standpoint no, it's not even remotely a backpacking light, which is pretty self evident as you stated. The LX70 is 5.1lbs and an extra battery is 1.85lbs. That's more than the equivalent of 3L of water weight.

    Military and search & rescue would fall into a different needs parameters and enthusiast usage might override any concerns of practicality. In any of these exceptions it really depends on what's trying to be accomplished. Using a light out to extended range, foliage permitting, is the quickest way to navigate "close in" especially when you already have familiarity with an area. I've taken a few night hikes in the Superstition Mtns, where there's usually several landmarks visible with a good light like the Abyss for example. I don't need to look at a map if I can just aim a light and see a familiar rock face, or canyon from a few hundred yards away. If I can get away with a smaller LED light like the TK75, even better. It just depends on how spread out things are. No matter how you look at it though, it should be considered a luxury item for this purpose and depending on the light it might not feel like much of a "luxury" when you're hiking and extra 4lbs up a 1500 ft climb.

    These days, topo mapped gps units combined with aerial images can tell us what the topography is around us, so using a powerful light for navigation is a weighty proposal. If you're trying to visually locate a point or object for reasons besides navigation, like finding a downed aircraft in a gorge or spotting wildlife, now we're stuck with the dilemma of which tool to use. All other things being relatively equal, level of performance/capability is directly correlated to weight.

    For my uses, I have never taken a large HID or LED on a multi-day trip because my uses would never justify the agony of the load. An overnighter with the support of other hikers might allow for a light up to 1.5lbs if we planned on hiking at night or were going to explore lava tubes or something. The problem becomes having to lug around the weight 8-10 hours a day in exchange for a couple of hours worth of night time capability.

    My typical 3 day load consists of an 18650 headlamp and 18650 flashlight totaling about 240 grams.

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    Default Re: New Xeray XV-LX70. Killer Polarion PH50.

    Some pictures for you guys...




























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    Maybe Patriot will keep it through Christmas weekend and then BVH can have it for the New years holiday period. Hint Hint. If you so choose.

    Maybe you want to pass it forward to BVH because you don't want to play with it during the holidays, that decision is yours Patriot.

    I am not trying to rush you, please understand that, if you want or need it for 3 weeks, that's fine too.
    BVH can be patient, I think.

    Dan

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    Thanks for the pictures partriot!
    The more the better
    For the sake of documentation you could add the light to your HID warm-up series on youtube...of course I mean after you do an extended Desktop Review

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    I have plenty of projects to keep me busy so take all the time you want Paul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XeRay View Post
    Maybe Patriot will keep it through Christmas weekend and then BVH can have it for the New years holiday period. Hint Hint. If you so choose.Dan
    Cool, Dan...thanks I see that Bob already responded too.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Driver View Post
    Thanks for the pictures partriot!
    The more the better
    For the sake of documentation you could add the light to your HID warm-up series on youtube...of course I mean after you do an extended Desktop Review
    I'll still have to decide what I'm going to do on that one. Either I wait to put it in the review only, or create a new youtube channel for short video's and "extra's" and load it there, or just post it on my main channel and see if viewers complain about it...haha!


    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    I have plenty of projects to keep me busy so take all the time you want Paul.
    Ok that's good to hear because I might need 3 weeks with this one.

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    Default Re: New Xeray XV-LX70. Killer Polarion PH50.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    Ok that's good to hear because I might need 3 weeks with this one.
    More than 3 weeks, if needed for your convenience, schedule and some fun (play) time as well.
    I was not trying to create a schedule of any sort.
    I Just wanted to remove any pressure you might feel (assume) from XeVision to get this done "quickly".

    Dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by XeRay View Post
    More than 3 weeks, if needed for your convenience, schedule and some fun (play) time as well.
    I was not trying to create a schedule of any sort.
    I Just wanted to remove any pressure you might feel (assume) from XeVision to get this done "quickly".Dan
    Ok Dan, that sounds great! I'm eager to get rolling on this one and thanks again for sending it my way!

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    Any news or beam shots please Sir Patriot :-) ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Driver View Post
    For the sake of documentation you could add the light to your HID warm-up series on youtube...of course I mean after you do an extended Desktop Review

    Quote Originally Posted by AceDan View Post
    Any news or beam shots please Sir Patriot :-) ?


    As requested by The_Driver.....

    XeVision LX70 7500 Lumen HID (Warm-up Time)

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    Ok guys, here are some beamshots at 237 yards. I threw in a couple of 3500L LED lights in with the HID's as well. As was expected, some mighty good performance out of the LX70!

    237 Yards to concrete drainage. 4" @ F4.0, ISO/100, AWB, slightly zoomed.


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    Fenix RC40


    Polarion Abyss @ 30W


    Polarion Abyss @ 45W


    Polarion PH50


    XeVision LX70 @ 50W


    XeVision LX70 @ 70W

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    Ok guys, here are some beamshots
    Polarion PH50 should be directed above.
    Hotspot PH50 does not fall on concrete drainage.
    This is clearly evident while browsing the a single window
    ..........................
    For a correct comparison of PH50 and LX70, necessary re-shoot photos
    Last edited by Dmitriyrus; 12-18-2013 at 10:44 PM.
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    Thanks for your efforts Patriot!

    The light is more compact than I though it would be

    @Dmitriyrus: I agree with you that the pH50 is pointed lower than the others, but it doesn't make much of a difference. It is only a little bit stronger than the Abyss. The Lemax LX-70 is obviously a much better thrower and has more "beam-lumens".
    Last edited by The_Driver; 12-18-2013 at 07:38 AM.

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    It would be very interesting to compare Xeray Barnburner 75W and Xeray LX70.
    For those who not matter waterproof and aluminum housing... But bright light is only important
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    A lot of work went into this. Thank You, Paul.
    Last edited by BVH; 12-18-2013 at 02:41 PM.
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    Obviously, the LX70 out throw the PH50 even at 50W.
    But the bright & wide corona of the PH50 is still very impressive.
    Paul, thanks for the great beam shots!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    It's very disappointing to see this. No good deed goes unpunished to quote a cliche. A lot of work went into this. Thank You, Paul.
    You see the smile? It was a joke
    In fact, I understand that the problem is that the PH50 has no tripod screw
    This light is difficult to fixation
    I'm sorry if I offended someone
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    I thought the double parentheses were just that, a grammatical error. I didn't see it as a smiley. Sorry for my mis-interpretation. I edited my post.
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    Default Re: New LEMAX LX70. Killer Polarion PH50.

    re-typing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmitriyrus View Post
    Polarion PH50 should be directed above.
    Hotspot PH50 does not fall on concrete drainage.
    This is clearly evident while browsing the a single window
    I hope that you did it by accident. And not for the deliberate forgery comparison ))
    For a correct comparison of PH50 and LX70, necessary re-shoot photos

    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    I thought the double parentheses were just that, a grammatical error. I didn't see it as a smiley. Sorry for my mus-interpretation. I edited my post.

    Honestly, I didn't catch this as a joke either, especially considering the wording proceeding what you called, smiley faces. It kinda looks like everyone missed it as a joke but since it is, enough said.



    With regards to the pictures, I actually took two sets at two different locations last night. I was up late just getting the first set posted for you guys so I'll get the second set up tonight.

    To address the PH50 photo, I agree it's low but only very slightly. It's interesting because the PH50 is actually one of the easiest lights to aim because of it's distinct hot spot. The Abyss with it's OP reflector is slightly more difficult and the LED lights are terrible because the hotspot is so poorly defined. In any case, I do everything for a reason and I'd rather have the beam slightly low vs. slightly high. The reason is because aiming slightly high would effectively increase the range of the illuminated background and lower the light value of the overall picture image...making it look less impressive. Honestly, the PH50 is so easy to aim that perhaps it slipped in my binocular stirrup when I stepped away to snap the shutter on the other tripod. I space the light and camera about 6-8 feet apart in order to avoid some of the light saber effect through the atmosphere. I do this because the lights with tighter beams will always look exponentially dramatic as compared to the light that's actually hitting the target. Spacing the light and camera helps to insure that the light reflecting off the target is the focal point and not the light bouncing off of floating particulates.

    Having photographed a lot of Polarion beams over the years, especially the P Series, the beam frequently looks lower than it is due to it's large, smooth corona. It has always stood out in the HID shoot-offs because of that characteristic. I would estimate that it's only about 1.5° low or about half the width of the hot spot. I've also posted pictures of the PH50 over in the RC40 thread at a slightly higher zoom but if anyone is interested, they can see how it looks in that series as well. Actually, I can post it here but I doubt the camera settings were the same. You'll have to check the exif data....



    So, that's a little bit of the "behind the scenes" story about the beamshot stuff.

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    Paul, excellent job. The LEMAX is a helluva light. Looking forward to the rest of the review when you get through the holidays.




    And the joke up above there was Greek To ME.

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    Default Re: New LEMAX LX70. Killer Polarion PH50.

    Same camera settings. The tower is 400 yards away. All the distances are measured with a Leica rangefinder.


    Control (with a bonus aircraft!)


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    LX70 @ 50W


    LX70 @ 70W
    Last edited by Patriot; 12-18-2013 at 05:36 PM.

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    Whew!! Thanks always Paul for the best in comments and reviews! I too was taken aback but all's well that ends well....

    I am dying to get one of these but, may need to give up my regular bread and water ration to do so....----JOKE!!


    Karl

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    Some other notes about the above beamshots. The camera always rendered the LX70 cooler in color temperature than the Polarions. This isn't the case in real life. The LX70 actually has a warmer beam, about 4000K @ 70W and I'm going to guess about 4200K at 50W. The camera was set to AWB, which normally works well, and I suspect the camera was trying to overcompensate for the warmer beam.

    Both sets of pictures are slightly under exposed. I usually try to over expose them slightly in order to offset some of the light loss that happens during resizing, to comply with CPF rules. This time I just didn't over compensate in the original picture enough.

    In the first set of pictures, the ones from the park, there's a single power pole off in the distance that's above and to the right of the target. IIRC, this pole is at least 600 yards away (Correction it's 507 yards. I think I was thinking of the next pole down before the tree grew taller and blocked my view to it) You'll notice that some of the lights actually reach that pole but what's really amazing is that the pole isn't in the hotspot of the beam. I'm going back there tonight so I'll measure the pole with the rangefinder.

    Thanks everyone!
    Last edited by Patriot; 12-19-2013 at 10:37 AM. Reason: correction

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    Great second series of shots!


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