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    Default Test/Review of Eneloop AA HR-3UWXB 2450mAh (Black)

    Eneloop AA HR-3UWXB 2450mAh (Black)



    Official specifications:
    • Capacity typical: 2550mAh
    • Capacity minimum: 2450mAh
    • Nominal voltage: 1.2V
    • Fast charge: 2550mA
    • Life cycles: up to 500
    • Self-Discharge: approx. 85% capacity after 1 years




    These eneloop has higher capacity and shorter charge retention time than the white version

    Maximum temperature raise at different discharge currents: 1A:+1,3C, 2A:+3,7C, 3A:+6,5C, 5A:+13,0C, 7A:+19,5C, 10A:+23,9C,











    There is some variation between the cells.
    Note: Small capacity differences are much less a problem for NiMH, than for LiIon.















    Conclusion

    These batteries can maintain power for a long time and can also deliver a high current.
    I wonder why they only have a 1 year rating, compared to the 1900mAh eneloops 5 year rating, does these batteries have a shorter lifetime?



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    How is the test done and how to read the charts
    Last edited by HKJ; 05-13-2013 at 11:39 AM.
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    Thanks for the review. I'm still unsure if these XX batteries are worth the extra money yet shorter life. I only purchased one 4-pack to use in my Nitecore EA4 which works well, but sometime I'll have to do a test myself to compare with the regular Eneloops.

    My BC-700 only charges @ 700mA max, so that's also an issue. However, I don't want to buy a more suitable charger for only these 4 batteries.
    GOOD TINT!

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    Like the white ones, these look like they can handle large discharge currents quite well and then some. Temperature wise though, it looks like the white ones run cooler. Any significance to that or the difference is just within margin or error?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Floppy View Post
    Like the white ones, these look like they can handle large discharge currents quite well and then some. Temperature wise though, it looks like the white ones run cooler. Any significance to that or the difference is just within margin or error?
    I do believe that the temperature difference is significant, especially because black is supposed to radiate heat better.
    With my setup the batteries has very good cooling, that might not be the case in actual use, i.e. you will probably get higher temperature (difference).
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    Are these rated 1 year for shelf shelf life chemistry, or rated for 1 year for self discharge to 85%?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    I do believe that the temperature difference is significant, especially because black is supposed to radiate heat better.
    With my setup the batteries has very good cooling, that might not be the case in actual use, i.e. you will probably get higher temperature (difference).
    Mine get pretty hot when charging using the i4 intellicharger. What's weird is after a few days rest they recharge -- starting from 2 bars -- again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ledmitter_nli View Post
    Are these rated 1 year for shelf shelf life chemistry, or rated for 1 year for self discharge to 85%?
    It is 1 year for self discharge to 85%, but why do they only rate to 1 year, when the white is rated to 5 years?


    Quote Originally Posted by ledmitter_nli View Post
    Mine get pretty hot when charging using the i4 intellicharger. What's weird is after a few days rest they recharge -- starting from 2 bars -- again.
    It is difficult to detect a full NiMH battery, the charger has to restart charging and wait for termination and termination detection is not that fast.
    This works much better with LiIon.
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    It's about 15 min from 2 bars to 3 bars. That's pretty long.

    I guess the white has stabler catalyzers that aren't as excitable.
    Last edited by ledmitter_nli; 05-14-2013 at 01:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ledmitter_nli View Post
    Mine get pretty hot when charging using the i4 intellicharger. What's weird is after a few days rest they recharge -- starting from 2 bars -- again.
    Mine get pretty hot too at 700mA. Much more noticable than the regular Eneloops.
    GOOD TINT!

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    Thanks for review HKJ.... much appreciated!

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    Regarding the weight of the cells, is that an average weight or do the cells come with some difference?

    I'm just trying to work out whether I have some fakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Floppy View Post
    Regarding the weight of the cells, is that an average weight or do the cells come with some difference?

    I'm just trying to work out whether I have some fakes.
    I always specify the maximum weight I measure for the two tested batteries (The difference was less than 0.1 gram in this case).
    The official weight from Sanyo is "approx. 30 gram".
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    Default Re: Test/Review of Eneloop AA HR-3UWXB 2450mAh (Black)

    Another excellent test review. HKJ! Many thanks for your time & effort.

    I wonder if Ni-MH rechargeable cells are much more safe in over-discharge issue, comparing to Li-ion cells?

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    Quote Originally Posted by candle lamp View Post
    I wonder if Ni-MH rechargeable cells are much more safe in over-discharge issue, comparing to Li-ion cells?
    They are. With over discharging you might wear them down premature, but there is no risk of explosions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    They are. With over discharging you might wear them down premature, but there is no risk of explosions.
    Thanks for your reply.

    Do you happen to recommend the voltage to run a Ni-MH cell down to before needing to rechage it? This question may be too ambiguous. (Just thought Ni-MH like Li-ion cell. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by candle lamp View Post
    Do you happen to recommend the voltage to run a Ni-MH cell down to before needing to rechage it? This question may be too ambiguous. (Just thought Ni-MH like Li-ion cell. )
    In the eneloop datasheet they test down to 1 volt, but remember this is under load.
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    Default Re: Test/Review of Eneloop AA HR-3UWXB 2450mAh (Black)

    Earlier this year, I decided to upgrade and "standardize" all my rechargeable batteries to "black" Eneloop AAs & AAAs (called "Pro" in Japan, and "XX" in USA). But, I am very interested in hearing what others (more knowledgeable than me) have to say about my decision.

    My understanding of the black Eneloop batteries benefits vs. liabilities is pretty simple: you sacrifce a huge number of recharge cycles for an increase in total mAh capacity. And, you also have to sacrifice some as far as Low Self Discharge rate.

    But, the benefits as outlined on Panasonic's Japanese language Eneloop page, are also pretty straight forward:

    http://panasonic.net/energy/eneloop/...p/eneloop_pro/

    With a digital camera, you get 21% more shots (over the "standard" Eneloop) and flash recharge times are also dramatically improved.

    They then claim that you get 33% more runtime off of an LED flashlight that draws 300mA.

    They then follow that up with the claim that at the end of one year of storage, a black AA Eneloop will still have 2080mAh remaining charge, whereas a standard Eneloop will only have 1710mAh (despite its better Low Self Discharge rate). In other words, the black is down to 85% capacity, whereas the standard still has 90% capacity, but since the starting capacities are so different, the black ends up having substantially more usable energy available at the end of one year.

    As far as I can tell, they make no claim or comment about years 2-3 or year 5... But, I assume that given the higher Low Self Discharge rate of the black, at some point in time, the standard battery will end up outperforming the black. But, I made the decision that I am rarely going to let my batteries lay around for more than 1 year without recharging them.

    Also, I decided that (for me) the "only" 500 recharge cycles of the black batteries was not going to be a problem. I rarely recharge more often than once a week, so 500 cycles will keep me in business for the next 10 years. (Frankly, I doubt that I will be using the same lights, much less the same batteries by that time.)

    All thoughts and comments most welcome.

    PS: http://panasonic.net/energy/eneloop/...neloop_pro.pdf

    Link to a downloadable advertising flyer for Sanyo Eneloop Pro batteries, in Japanese.

    PPS: At the moment, stores in Japan are selling both "Sanyo" Eneloop Pros and visually identical (at least to me) "Panasonic" Eneloop Pros. The salesmen at those shops tend to encourage customers (if they ask) to purchase the "Panasonic" version, because they are the "newest."

    Don't know whether or not the "Sanyo" version might be better, but they will be gone soon, I think.

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    Default Test/Review of Eneloop AA HR-3UWXB 2450mAh (Black)

    Hmm, I've just ordered 2 packs of black and white AA & white AAA eneloops based on your reviews,
    Thanks!

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    Default Re: Test/Review of Eneloop AA HR-3UWXB 2450mAh (Black)

    Top notch review! Thank you for your effort.

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    Hey, I just did a storage test on two of my eneloops after 15 weeks (full test here).
    At the start the two cells that I tested had a measured capacity of 2584 and 2563mah. After doing a 16 hour 0.1C charge, I put them in my desk drawer for 15 weeks. I did a 500ma discharge in an MH-C9000 and they ended up with 2220 and 2203mah. That's 85.91 and 85.91% after 15 weeks.

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    Default Re: Test/Review of Eneloop AA HR-3UWXB 2450mAh (Black)

    I tried to check prices for these batteries,but I found different prices for them.You can look here please. http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/sanyo-eneloop-xx-aa
    Any suggestion?

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    Default Re: Test/Review of Eneloop AA HR-3UWXB 2450mAh (Black)

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodore41 View Post
    I tried to check prices for these batteries,but I found different prices for them.You can look here please. http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/sanyo-eneloop-xx-aa
    Any suggestion?
    If you check out ChibiM's thread http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...ries-2005-2016 you will see that the Eneloop XX HR-3UWXB is now the Eneloop Pro.

    IIRC the HR-3UWXB was renamed Eneloop Pro after Panasonic bought the Eneloop business from Sanyo. The later generations of the Eneloop Pro is the BK-3HCC or BK-3HCDE for AAs.

    If you want to try a cheaper option, and have an Ikea nearby, the new Ikea Laddas are also Japanese made - tested here also by HKJ http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...te)-703-038-76

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