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    What is the BEST charging rate for AAA Ni-MH 750mAh Enloops?

    I have seen .5C[1A] and 500mAh?

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    I'd go 500 mAh if those were your 2 options.

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    Only 1200 cycles what are these FAILED Eneloops??

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    Although it would probably best to open a new thread for that, by how they look, they look like the Panasonic Evolta that are being sold in Japan. I havent checked their max life cycles. But i imagine them being the same cells.. Probably made in china?
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzicman82 View Post
    Hi all,

    I love this thread... although the reason I'm posting today is for your insight on an issue I have with eneloops.

    I have a lot of standard eneloop batteries, all purchased within the last 1-2 years.

    My biggest gripe with these is that it seems a lot of modern electronics are calibrated for alkaline voltage drop over time, and not NiMH... so some of my devices (electronic labeler for instance), shows low battery almost all the time. I usually just ignore it. However, some devices will stop functioning at a specific voltage, and when you test or put the batteries back in a charger, they appear to be 25-50% charged.

    Is there such a thing as NiMH batteries with higher nominal or fully charged voltage? How does everyone else handle this problem?
    Fenix has so USB rechargeable ones. 1.5v but in lithium-ion. Not ni-mh.
    https://www.fenix-store.com/fenix-ar...14500-battery/

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzicman82 View Post
    Hi all,

    I love this thread... although the reason I'm posting today is for your insight on an issue I have with eneloops.

    I have a lot of standard eneloop batteries, all purchased within the last 1-2 years.

    My biggest gripe with these is that it seems a lot of modern electronics are calibrated for alkaline voltage drop over time, and not NiMH... so some of my devices (electronic labeler for instance), shows low battery almost all the time. I usually just ignore it. However, some devices will stop functioning at a specific voltage, and when you test or put the batteries back in a charger, they appear to be 25-50% charged.

    Is there such a thing as NiMH batteries with higher nominal or fully charged voltage? How does everyone else handle this problem?
    Surprisingly i don't run into this problem often but i usually prefer to recharge the Eneloops when they are at 50% anyway to extend their life and recharge them in the C9000 since the charger will only charge to 90% and then top off the last 10% so they are never really overcharged.
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    Just ordered some from Amazon UK.

    They have the Chinese part number which is now identical to the Japan part number. The listing picture says 70% for 10 years so i'm expecting Japanese cells, maybe the website needs updating?

    Direct from Panasonic by the way. The only way I guess you can really tell is by getting the cells and seeing what the label says.

    The E on the end of the part number nearly put me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjimon View Post
    Just ordered some from Amazon UK.

    They have the Chinese part number which is now identical to the Japan part number. The listing picture says 70% for 10 years so i'm expecting Japanese cells, maybe the website needs updating?

    Direct from Panasonic by the way. The only way I guess you can really tell is by getting the cells and seeing what the label says.

    The E on the end of the part number nearly put me off.
    Can you be a little more specific?
    BK-3MCC is the Japanese code, the added E can mean Europe but also Chinese cells. The list is well up to date, I should probably just be a bit clearer with the codes if you can tell me what is not clear for you. Thanks.btw if you look on my website you should have the latest updates in case some things are a bit off in this thread.
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    Sorry.

    I assumed the part number at the end of the Japanese cells was "A/E" not A or E.

    Therefore I originally thought the chart was showing that only Chinese Cells end with "E". Where as the once I buy have an E but are also Japanese.

    To make clearer in the updated 2015 AA and AAA eneloops the part number can also end with E. My cells are made in japan and end with E but they also state 10 year life.
    Last edited by benjimon; 05-05-2017 at 02:38 PM.

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    I understand. I am always thinking how to write things down. A/E could look like a code but really is A or E. If there is a better way to write is please let me know as I will be open to suggestions. But keep in mind that i like to keep it as short as possible and not have multiple lines for essentially the same battery. Let me know when there is anything else unclear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChibiM View Post
    I understand. I am always thinking how to write things down. A/E could look like a code but really is A or E. If there is a better way to write is please let me know as I will be open to suggestions. But keep in mind that i like to keep it as short as possible and not have multiple lines for essentially the same battery. Let me know when there is anything else unclear.
    No problem, very nice website.

    4th Generation Updated 2015 (Panasonic)

    • BK-4MCC 2100 cycles Min. 750 mAh (AAA-size)
    • BK-3MCC 2100 cycels Min. 1900 mAh (AA-size)







    • AA and AAA: Claimed 70% capacity left after 10 years (*3/*6)
    • Launch date AA and AAA: 2015) (*2/*7)
    • Sometimes referred to as 5th generation BUT are not.. These only use a new type of testing standard.








    The part numbers for this bit can also end in A/E

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    Thanks a lot for the! Good point. I just edited it.
    If you find anything else, feel free to let me know. I must have missed more than just that
    BTW my eneloop chargers page is about finished, and Im starting on the eneloopy page...which will take a few more days to finish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChibiM View Post
    Thanks a lot for the! Good point. I just edited it.
    If you find anything else, feel free to let me know. I must have missed more than just that
    BTW my eneloop chargers page is about finished, and Im starting on the eneloopy page...which will take a few more days to finish.
    No problem, not sure how you could, maybe an article.

    But explain a bit more clear how to differentiate between BK-4MCC A/E. They can be japanese, japanese updated or chinese.

    I couldn't find that good of a resource when finding them, luckily they were japanese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjimon View Post
    No problem, not sure how you could, maybe an article.

    But explain a bit more clear how to differentiate between BK-4MCC A/E. They can be japanese, japanese updated or chinese.

    I couldn't find that good of a resource when finding them, luckily they were japanese.
    BK-3MCCA and BK-4MCCA are always made in Japan.
    the E can be made in made in Japan or China.

    The way you can differentiate them, is to look at the claims of the remaining capacity after x years.
    The newest (since 2015) Japaense cells have 70% after 10 years. The Chinese 70% after 5 years. Another indicator would be the country you live in. If you are in the Oceania region (new zealand, australia, south east asia) you are likely to get Chinese cells. And when you live in China you can get Japanese cells.. funny right?

    I am thinking about adding a Japanese vs Chinese eneloops page as well.. might be useful.. just a littl worried Im getting a bit too many pages on my website
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    Benjimon, I have updated the page about how to understand the coding: http://eneloop101.com/batteries/how-...acturing-date/
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    Panasonic announced a new charger for Europe.
    The BQ-CC65


    Including LCD screen and Refresh function.
    They didnt specify when they are going to be available.
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    Their retail chargers and packs are so expensive everybody always just looks and goes away. Maybe if this new more advanced one costed same or less as the old black chargers, but as I know Panasonic, it will be even more expensive…

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    You could be right. I think the bq cc55 is about $15 dont think that is very expensive. The nee cc65 is likely to be quite a bit more. Im looking forward to getting more info on that soon.
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    I bought a few dozen Eneloop 4thG in 2015 and I pull them out from mini-lanterns and flashlights and charge them once a year. Typically, the charger shows them at 1/2 charge or less, which seems surprising for this battery. Is there a simple device I might use to check them right after charging and then when if pull them to recharge, to get real data on discharge state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by N4SRN View Post
    .... Is there a simple device I might use to check them right after charging and then when if pull them to recharge, to get real data on discharge state?

    Bret/N4SRN
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