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    Quote Originally Posted by archimedes View Post
    I use the ones from ZTS.

    Thanks for the reply!
    I google the ZTS battery tester and I found 2. Which one were you referring to the Mini or the MBT-1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnage View Post
    Thanks for the reply!
    I google the ZTS battery tester and I found 2. Which one were you referring to the Mini or the MBT-1?

    I took a look at the mine here: http://lygte-info.dk/review/BatteryT...-MBT%20UK.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by carnage View Post
    Thanks for the reply!
    I google the ZTS battery tester and I found 2. Which one were you referring to the Mini or the MBT-1?
    They make 4 different models, each covering different (partially overlapping) battery types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post

    Thanks for the reply! Did you happen to examine the ZTS MBT-1 yet? Does these meters measure the battery under load? Which meter will be perfect for the flashlight hobby? Do you know if all ZTS meter have the same accuracy? Sorry for all the questions!
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    Quote Originally Posted by carnage View Post
    Thanks for the reply! Did you happen to examine the ZTS MBT-1 yet? Does these meters measure the battery under load? Which meter will be perfect for the flashlight hobby? Do you know if all ZTS meter have the same accuracy? Sorry for all the questions!
    I have only looked at the mini. They put a load on the battery, but I do not now if they only uses the voltage under load or a combination of loaded and unloaded voltage to get the remaining capacity.
    You select meter depending on what type of batteries you use, LiIon can be measured with a ordinary digital voltmeter (Loading is not necessary).
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    Hello Henrik,

    The ZTS testers measure voltage under load. They then compare the results with their data bank of tests for each type of cell and using this look up information give you an idea of the remaining capacity.

    They typically use name brand cells to populate their data sets so off brand cells may give different results if they are unable to maintain voltage under load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverFox View Post
    Hello Henrik,

    The ZTS testers measure voltage under load. They then compare the results with their data bank of tests for each type of cell and using this look up information give you an idea of the remaining capacity.

    They typically use name brand cells to populate their data sets so off brand cells may give different results if they are unable to maintain voltage under load.

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    If you have or have access to the ZTS MBT-1 have you check the accuracy of it?

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    Hello Carnage,

    I have a custom ZTS tester. It was modified to include testing for CR123 primary cells at a higher current rate. The other functions are stock and I forget what I gave up to include the CR123 testing.

    If you are testing a cell that is similar in performance to what they have in their database, it is reasonably accurate. If you have an off brand cell that has a little different performance curve, the results will be off. However, they will be consistently off so you can make a note of differences and work with those differences.

    It is not precise in its reporting but gives a reasonably accurate big picture of what is going on with your cells capacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnage View Post
    If you have or have access to the ZTS MBT-1 have you check the accuracy of it?
    As I posted above, I have only checked the mini, bit I would expect the precision to be about the same.
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    Thanks for the replies guys, Its much appreciated!

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    Commenting about the problem I saw with the batteries that came with the BQ-CC17 charger. I was reading the official manuals hosted by Panasonic. http://main.panasonic-eneloop.eu/sit.../1_BQ-CC17.pdf and http://main.panasonic-eneloop.eu/sit.../4_BQ-CC55.pdf The BQ-CC17 manual says to insert AA batteries with the positive terminal first, then insert the negative terminal, but to insert AAA batteries with the negative terminal first then the positive. The BQ-CC55 is a charger with a similar shape, it has a similar drawing in the manual but it says to insert the AA batteries in reverse order (first the negative terminal then the positive terminal) and AAA batteries in that same order. It even justify this with "If an AAA battery is inserted from the positive (+) end first, the negative (-) terminal on the charger may be damaged."

    In my opinion the BQ-CC17 manual is wrong instructing people to insert AA batteries in that order, who is assembling the product can damage the batteries by simply following the official manual.

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    Thats an interesting observation evn.
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    I insert mine + terminal first. I have a similar format MQN03RNU (just with 2x AAA slots). There's a lip on the + side of the charger and it damages the battery wrapping if I insert - first.

    An observation BTW, the button tops on my Harmolattice ard shorter than my other Eneloops. So in some lights and gadgets, they don't reach the terminals enough to make contact.

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    I didn't read the whole thread. Does anyone knows if the Duracell Nimh battery are rewrap Eneloop?

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    ChibiM, I was shopping Amazon and noticed AAA Eneloop Pros rated 950mAh. I referred to your website (nice site - thanks for setting that up) and saw that 5th generation are actually rated less (930mAh) than 4th generation. Any insight as to why?
    An unused battery is an unhappy battery as it will never realize its full potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray F. View Post
    ChibiM, I was shopping Amazon and noticed AAA Eneloop Pros rated 950mAh. I referred to your website (nice site - thanks for setting that up) and saw that 5th generation are actually rated less (930mAh) than 4th generation. Any insight as to why?
    Hi,
    Thanks.
    I understand the confusion. But please check the page one more time: http://eneloop101.com/batteries/complete-lineup/
    And look at the 2 kinds of numbers, Typical and Minimum Capacity. The 5th gen have no Typ mentioned on the package, just Min capacity. At least not in Japan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChibiM View Post
    Hi,
    Thanks.
    I understand the confusion. But please check the page one more time: http://eneloop101.com/batteries/complete-lineup/
    And look at the 2 kinds of numbers, Typical and Minimum Capacity. The 5th gen have no Typ mentioned on the package, just Min capacity. At least not in Japan.
    Very interesting. Thank you for that very subtle observation.
    An unused battery is an unhappy battery as it will never realize its full potential.

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