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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2013

    Quote Originally Posted by AleXis6 View Post
    Still with SANYO trade name.
    So Panasonic eneloop will be exist with sanyo eneloop simultaneously?
    Yes..... at least for now..

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    Thank you for this well-informing thread! I am a fresh newbie, I have the Maha C-9000 charger, and I wonder about those Tropical Eneloops - I have found them at a great price at nkon.nl, and I will use them solely for a high-drain bike light, the Sigma Powerled Black.I read that Eneloop has higher voltage than the other LSD, so I might as well get some Sanyo XX ( and even Camelion 2500 from China, via eBay) , and check the runtime? I love those tropical tones, but how are the batteries performance-wise? I do not mind the price difference - come on, I can easily skip a couple of sandwiches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nimanchev View Post
    ...I love those tropical tones, but how are the batteries performance-wise?...
    Their performance is identical to the standard white eneloops (i.e. excellent). They're just in different coloured wrappers.
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    On ebay, Eneloop XX AAA 3rd generation costs about $6 more than the 2nd generation. Both has the same specs.
    Is the battery 'age' something that need to be considered?

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    I wanted to note that I just received some Eneloop Pro AA batteries in the black Sanyo packaging (500X) from GearShop, a subsidary of Amazon. They are marked HR-3UWXA with date code of 13-09 EY. The package says they retain 75% charge after one year and are rated 2500 mAh. The imprint on the batteries notes 2400 mAh.

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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2013

    Welcome to the forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RI Chevy View Post
    Welcome to the forum!
    Thank you There are a lot of members here, so I don't expect to bring down the quality too much.

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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2013

    Thanks for sharing.. You`ve got 1st gen (even though it has the additional A at the end as in HR-3UWXA) which are good batteries!
    Sometimes the HR-3UWXA are called 2nd gen. but they have never been sold in Japan.
    So we can start calling them the 2nd gen... so it compares with the same generations in the standard eneloop, 1-2-3 and then 4.
    Maybe I should update the tables then... so they can be seen as 2nd gen.

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    Really? I susupected that I received a later generation in the wrong wrappers as in post #52 since the manufacturing date was in Sept 2013. Maybe we need to call the manufacturer again for some clarification.

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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2013

    Yes, you could call them and ask for clarification.
    would be nice to know what they have to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by __philippe View Post
    Check you PM box for a trustworthy Eneloop source way safer than eBay.

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    Can you please PM me the source you are mentioning?

    Thanks!

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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2013

    Hi bodhram,

    Welcome on board !

    You do not seem to have an active private mailbox currently.
    Meanwhile, just google for nkon.nl....

    Cheers,

    __philippe

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    Quote Originally Posted by __philippe View Post
    Hi bodhram,

    Welcome on board !

    You do not seem to have an active private mailbox currently.
    Meanwhile, just google for nkon.nl....

    Cheers,

    __philippe
    Hi Phillipe,

    Thanks for the info and the warm welcome.

    Hope I get the PM box unlocked soon.

    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodhram View Post
    ... Hope I get the PM box unlocked soon. Cheers!
    Might as well check your PM box, it's alive now...

    __philippe

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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2013

    I recently bought some Eneloop XX cells. I found that they will run my Quark Pro QP2A-X Four Sevens light for one hour and 50 minutes on the highest setting. The older Eneloops would only run for 50 minutes. On the next level down it will run for 4.5 hours on the XX. I did not test the old Eneloops on this, but it is rated by Four Sevens at 2.5 hours. Obviously I am very pleased with this improvement.

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    That is good to know! The old eneloops were a huge disappointment to me.They scored from 1926 to 1976 mAH, but my bike light did not like them.I was able to get only 8 hours and 30 minutes on the lowest setting, while the cheapest Kaufland-branded alkalines gave me 14 hours! On the middle setting, Eneloops gave me 3 hours and 20 minutes, while the same alkalines gave me 5 hours and 20 minutes, and where brighter too.I can honestly say that Eneloops are overrated, and the alkalines did wipe the floor with them.I have purchased other LSD batteries - Btone 2500, Uniross 2400, and of course, Eneloop XX, and will share my impressions in 10 days or so, after they arrive from The Netherlands.Damn, it takes so long that I wonder if I have ordered them from the Netherrealms, lol !

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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2013

    Yeah, eneloops are the best! hahaha

    1926 and 1976 are not bad numbers at all! and your observation is interesting, but doesn`t say too much negative about the eneloops, because of the type of flashlight you used.. in some applications they aren`t the best concerning the longest runtime, but at the end of the day, you can recharge them again, and not have to keep buying new alkalines and throw the used ones out.

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    i was at Costco yesterday and they had 8 AA Eneloops and 4 AAA with a charger for $24.99. They were blue and claim a shelf life of 70% at 5 years.
    No, I don't have enough flashlights! Do you have enough shoes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nimanchev View Post
    That is good to know! The old eneloops were a huge disappointment to me.They scored from 1926 to 1976 mAH, but my bike light did not like them.I was able to get only 8 hours and 30 minutes on the lowest setting, while the cheapest Kaufland-branded alkalines gave me 14 hours! On the middle setting, Eneloops gave me 3 hours and 20 minutes, while the same alkalines gave me 5 hours and 20 minutes, and where brighter too.
    It's because your bike light is designed for alkaline cells with a higher voltage. If it were designed for NiMH it would be fine with Eneloops. The cut-off voltage is too high, you were probably not draining the Eneloops completely. It's probably an easy fix you can solder.

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    Thank you ! The tech support has told me the same - it was designed for the alkalines.The light failed to recognize brand-new Sunmol AnyEnow and Varta Ready 2 use LSD batteries, so I have asked them to send me a new cartridge, and guess what - the batteries worked in the new cartridge.
    How do I know if the NI-MH batteries are not drained completely ? I will put the light on and when it stops, I can put them in my C-9000 charger for a test.What program should I choose? Maybe Discharge, but at what rate? Maybe 100ma?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nimanchev View Post
    How do I know if the NI-MH batteries are not drained completely ? I will put the light on and when it stops, I can put them in my C-9000 charger for a test.What program should I choose? Maybe Discharge, but at what rate? Maybe 100ma?
    Yep - just put them in and run a discharge. I wouldn't bother going down to 100mA though - the default 500mA discharge rate should be fine.

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    I have just run the Eneloops on the medium setting for the bike light, until it stopped, and guess what - after putting them in the C-9000 charger for a 300 ma discharge - they were all flat, ranging from 1 to 5 mAH left in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nimanchev View Post
    I have just run the Eneloops on the medium setting for the bike light, until it stopped, and guess what - after putting them in the C-9000 charger for a 300 ma discharge - they were all flat, ranging from 1 to 5 mAH left in them.
    Previously you stated that the Alkalines lasted longer and were brighter too. Is it possible that you only compared the brightness at the start? If the light is unregulated, it will start out brighter on the Alkalines since they have a higher starting voltage. The Alkalines however will gradually drop in brightness the whole time whereas the Eneloops will plateau and end up running brighter most of the time. In an unregulated light, because the Eneloops hold a higher voltage for longer, the average current will be higher which means that they will also discharge in less time.

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    Alkalines started brighter, I suppose, but the difference might be in my imagination.But I have put the light off the bike and onto my desk for the test, everytime at 20C ambient temperature.I can assure that this bike light does not dim or faint - it remains constantly bright until shutting down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nimanchev View Post
    Alkalines started brighter, I suppose, but the difference might be in my imagination.But I have put the light off the bike and onto my desk for the test, everytime at 20C ambient temperature.I can assure that this bike light does not dim or faint - it remains constantly bright until shutting down.
    Can you provide details about your bike light please?

    Either your bike light is actually unregulated, or there is something wrong with your Eneloops...

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    Manufacturer`s webpage gives little to no details...just 90 LUX, up to 100 metres.I have ordered 3 x 4 LSD batteries : Eneloop XX, Uniross 2400, and Btone 2500.When I receive them, I will update with more info...My current Eneloop charge at 1A from 1890 to 1943 mAH, but Break-in seems to squeeze some extra mAH into them...
    Last edited by nimanchev; 01-30-2014 at 03:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nimanchev View Post
    Manufacturer`s webpage gives little to no details...just 90 LUX, up to 100 metres.
    Can you provide the web site address? I probably won't be familiar with it, but others here might be.

    I have ordered 3 x 4 LSD batteries : Eneloop XX, Uniross 2400, and Btone 2500.When I receive them, I will update with more info...My current Eneloop charge at 1A from 1890 to 1943 mAH, but Break-in seems to squeeze some extra mAH into them...
    It will be interesting to hear how you go with them.

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    http://www.sigmasport.com/en/produkt...owerled_black/ It is an old, but very convenient bike light for multi-day trips, as it uses 4 x AA or the utter expensive Li-on battery, that costs 80 EUR ( ! ).I would not like an external battery with cable, it looks amateur and pathetic.Especially in the rain...

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    According to that site, it's a constant brightness light, so that indicates that it is regulated. You probably just imagined it being brighter with alkalines...

    Alkalines do have higher capacity (about 50% more) than Eneloops, but only for very slow discharges (e.g. around 100 hours or more) The run times that you reported are about 60% longer for the alkalines - but at those rates, I'd expect the alkaline run times to be significantly shorter than the Eneloops.

    Either there is something wrong with your Eneloops or there is something weird about your light! It will be interesting to see how the other rechargeables go when you get them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power Me Up View Post
    Can you provide the web site address? I probably won't be familiar with it, but others here might be.



    It will be interesting to hear how you go with them.
    I have just broken-in a quad of Eneloop XX and a quad of the new Uniross Hybrio 2400.They have all met their stated capacity.While Eneloop has some advantage, the XX batteries are more expensive than the Uniross.Here are some results, as some users wanted me to post them :

    2400 mAH Uniross Hybrio : Out of the box, discharged @ 600ma in the C-9000, they were all DONE at 1.14V, reading 1887 / 1889 / 1914 / 1926 mAH( arguably equal to a fresh charged pair of the original Eneloops, caugh-caugh-caugh, I have made my mind about the difference ), an average of 1904 mAH.After breaking-in, they measured 2354 /2383 / 2414 / 2417 mAH, which gives us an average capacity of 2392 mAH, quite close to the stated 2400 mAH.I am not surprised - many people had great luck with Uniross / Rayovac Hybrios before, making them a bargain for their price.

    Eneloop XX : Out of the box, they were quite disappointing at 600 mA discharge.One of the batteries was DONE @ 1.14V, the other three stopped at 1.15V.The readings were 2 x 1260 mAH, and 1241 / 1246 mAH for the other two, giving an average of 1251,75 mAH ( significantly lower than the Uniross ).What a shame for the so-called king of the hill, which is rated 150 mAH higher than the Uniross.After breaking them in, the results are 2512 / 2518 / 2537 / 2554 mAH, which gives an average of 2530, 25 mAH...not quite 150 mAH above the Uniross.There are different point of views, especially price / performance ratio and availability.

    P.S None of the batteries had manufacturing date...The Uniross ones had nothing on their carton / blister, and the Eneloop XX were bought with a plastic case from Nkon.

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