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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2013

    Hi Nimanchev,
    thanks for the test.
    How much do these Uniross go for?
    And what does 2400 mean? is that minimal rating or typical?
    Eneloop XX are rated 2450Min, not 2550 as you suggest.

    Eneloop XX don`t come fully charged.. that`s how they are sold..
    Thats not a shame,that the XX come low out of the box, and they still are a rank above your uniross cells, after the charge.
    you just DONT measure performance of Nimh batteries Out of the box....!!
    Your Uniross rated at 2400 Underperform at 2354 and 2383 while the eneloop XX rated at 2450 Overperform, all cells.

    Not saying your batteries are bad in any way, just putting the facts together..

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    Thanks! I have a minor update - I have just recharged the Hybrios for the first time @ 1200 ma, and the results are overwhelming - 2477 / 2552 / 2593 / 2607, and we all know that the C-9000 does not fully charge ! I will update with more info tonight.I do not care about brand loyalty, I do not believe anything before I test it myself.I might even buy more LSD high-capacity cells from different brand, just for the test.I have had great luck with HSD Uniross batteries a long time ago.My bike light is an old mode that is not very common to find, so maybe a separate thread will not be a good idea.I bought the Hybrios from eBay UK.

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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2013

    so, you Charged them? or discharge them?
    charging is something different than discharging... capacity is measured by discharge, not charge.

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    I first charge them, and put the light on the most poweful setting, and compare the runtime of the batteries.Then, I recharge them, and I make a final discharge to measure capacity.

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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2013

    So those numbers are Discharge numbers?

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    ChibiM, the battery says " 2400 series ", nothing more, and the package says " Made in China ".As for the discharge numbers, I do not have all of them yet - I tried to post all numbers - first, out of the box discharge capacity, then a break-in cycle, then a discharge, and then another charge.My real-life testing is more important for me, as I measure the runtime in my bike light.I will summarize all info in a few days, since the testing is quite long.For now, the charge numbers of both Eneloop XX as Uniross 2400 is absolutely identical, an average of 2556 mAH for both quads.This is my first ever testing, so I appreciate your advices, as I am still a novice.This is my second bike light, my last bike was stolen, and I have used this light for 5 years and with dozens of NI-MH.From all of them, I rate the older GP Recyko at # 1 ( the white-green version, that had their top factory peeled-off), and I can confirm Archae86`s tests about LSD Ni-MH - I have tried most of the batteries.Sanyo 2500 batteries ( white, blue and orange in color ) were not much better than the Recyko, and they have dropped fast and became worse...until two of them showed HIGH just in 6 months of very intensive use.I have also tried the identical to the GP, Kodak precharged, they were head-to-head with Camelion 2300 in two years of intensive use.Right now I have bought the newer GP Recyko + , that has two tones of green, but it is waiting for its turn to be broken in, I have many batteries waiting for testing in the bike light...

    http://2imgs.com/2i/i/52f5447e/71334...2b6b4192.f.jpg
    Last edited by nimanchev; 02-08-2014 at 01:28 AM. Reason: Updating date

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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2014

    Here some proof of how strong eneloops are.
    These are tested at 2A charge and about 1.7A discharge.

    (Hopefully more info about eneloop cycle data coming.... how they test 1500/1800/2100 cycles according to JIS C8708 2007/ C8708 2013 standards)

    Hardcore cycle tests by forum member Power Me UP, Link to CPF thread for discussions here
    And direct link to his website and all data here

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    I apologize for the delay - I had to wait for 5-6 weeks to get the Btone 2500 LSD from DX.As I expected, they were slightly disappointing, but I could not complain, as they are quite cheaper than both XX and Hybrios, and close in performance.They are all above 2350 mAH.I do not have the time, desire and skills to do extended test, as I am more interested in real life situations.So, I made dozens of so-called tests.My bike lights require 4 x AA to run, and has 3 different power settings, so I tried all the batteries in all three settings.Each test was run 4 times and I tried to average the results, which took me some weeks.I am sad to say that for this particular light, Alkaline batteries still give me more runtime than any AA LSD.I know that some people are slave to brands and tend to insault other people who think differently, which I find laughful - a tool is more important than a man for those people? Pathetic...
    Anyway, here is what I found out when calculating the runtime on its 3 different settings - it seems that my light does not like the Eneloop batteries at the maximum brightness setting.I use the max setting all the time, so I do not really care about the lowest setting, where a pack of cheap Alkalines gave me a whopping 14 hours runtime! After it turns off, I put all LSD batteries in the C-9000 charger and run a discharge at 100ma, and they are all DONE in a few minutes:

    GP RECYKO - 2h 29 min / 3h 33 min / 8h 50 min

    Eneloop - 2h 27 min / 3h 19 min / 8h 27 min.

    Eneloop XX : 2h 56 min / 4h 20 min / 10h 15 min DISCHARGE NUMBERS : 2510 / 2509 / 2497 /2489.Additional discharge @ 100 mA : 37 / 34 / 32 / 44

    Hybrio 2400 : 3h 02 min / 4h 10 min / 9h 55 min DISCHARGE NUMBERS : 2355 / 2372 / 2357 / 2367.Additional discharge @ 100mA : 47 / 39 / 42 / 54

    I realise that different lights will have totally different results, that are also depending on different battery batch and condition, ambient T - you name it.Which batteries give the best value will be very different for everyone, as it depends on what deal one can get.I bought the Hybrio 2400 for less than 13 EUR shipped in Europe, so I prefer them over the XX.However, the wrap of the XX seems more durable around the edges.In the end, I needed at least 4 different quads of AA LSD, so my money were well spent and I do not regret anything.I hope I might be helpful with this tiny statistics.

    P.S I do not believe any hardcore testing with any device different than the one to be used with the LSD batteries, as advertisements claim that AA LSD batteries give from 4 to 8 times longe runtime, but I see that with my bike light, it is quite the opposite.It is too bad that modern, more powerful bike lights come with LI-ON battery, which does not suit multi-day marathons.
    Last edited by nimanchev; 04-08-2014 at 03:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nimanchev View Post
    Alkaline batteries still give me more runtime than any AA LSD.
    Can you please provide the run times that you're getting with alkalines on each of the modes and also tell us which brand and model of alkaline you're testing with?

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    Sure, you are welcome.You might probably laugh at me for being cheap, but I live close to the Kaufland discounter hypermarket, a widely popular one in Europe.I saw a sale, 12 alkaline batteries for just 3 EUR.They were from the hypermarket`s own brand, K-classic satisfaction guarantee.Well, 3 power settings, 4 dead alkaline batteries after each try - just what I needed.I remember that I tried them at 21C ambient T...So, I was quite surprised when they performed as the following, starting from the maximum, to the lowest power setting:

    3h 10 min / 5h 20 min / 14h 05 min.

    The light`s strongest power mode seems to be a combined mode of focused + wide.For longer rides, 100km or more, I prefer the middle setting, as it seems more balanced and evenly spread.They still give me an hour more than the full charged XX, and are dirt cheap.Of course, it is a matter of luck - I might have scored a fresh batch.Here are the alkaline batteries, I was lucky enough to find an online test :

    http://anrieff.net/batterytest/detai...kaline-en.html

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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2014

    I'm guessing that you don't have access to a lux meter perhaps?

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    I do not own any, I guess I could buy one, but why bother, as I am not sure what would I use it for more than once or twice, and I do not know if I can see the difference in brightness, while I am on the road.You might click here to see a quick photo of what I have left, after selling the white Eneloops and the green GP Recykos to a friend of mine.The Btone and Uniross have poor wrap quality around the edges, it looks like partially melted one :


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    Quote Originally Posted by nimanchev View Post
    I do not own any, I guess I could buy one, but why bother, as I am not sure what would I use it for more than once or twice, and I do not know if I can see the difference in brightness, while I am on the road.You might click here to see a quick photo of what I have left, after selling the white Eneloops and the green GP Recykos to a friend of mine.The Btone and Uniross have poor wrap quality around the edges, it looks like partially melted one :
    My guess at what is happening is that your light is dropping down to a lower setting when you're using alkalines and their voltage has dropped down a bit and that's why they're lasting longer. I wouldn't consider that a failing of the rechargeables but rather just a consequence of the way that your light works.

    As long as you're not noticing the difference in brightness and you're happy to keep buying more alkalines all the time, then you may as well continue doing so. Personally, I'd use the Eneloops or other rechargeables even with shorter run times since it would be a lot cheaper in the long run, but that doesn't mean that you have to do the same.

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    Thanks Nimanchev for doing these tests... Always appreciated.
    Maybe a good idea to also start a new thread with your findings, so it will be easier to find by others, when they search about those Uniross batteries,
    or even for those alkaline batteries.
    Keep in mind that 13EUR is 18USD.. and for 19USD you can have a 4 pack of AA PRO, that I sell on cpfm, shipped worldwide. Which I would prefer over the Uniross, just because there is not much tests around looking at the quality in the longer run. While eneloop has a proven countability.
    Also, keep in mind that in a year of using and throwing away Alkaline batteries, not only would you save your wallet, also the environment by choosing rechargeable batteries.

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    Well, I did this only because you were interested to see.There are hundreds of different lights, so I doubt that anyone else over the forum has the same model as mine.19 USD shipped is a very good price, but unfortunately, I will have to pay 3 EUR tax + 20 % VAT, when receiving something outside of the EU, while the Uniross from the UK is OK.The XX are overpriced in the EU, they cost 20 EUR in my country, exluding delivery ( ! ) I have also read many CPF posts about the XX being overpriced.One member even said that after 160 cycles, the XX dropped to the level of the proven white Eneloops.So, I guess some other member owes me an apology ( cough cough ).

    P.S I had bought the Sanyo MQR06 kit charger with the bundled HR-3UWXA batteries, as they were on sale.I tested the batteries in my light with identical results as the ones previously posted.

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    That is very comprehensive.But I don't know them.There are two 18650 batteries in my flashlight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HikingMano View Post
    I'm about to pick up some new eneloops, and I can't quite figure out which one to get. I've been looking at this one on amazon, SEC-HR3U8BPN, which is the same one currently listed on the Sanyo site (see battery spec chart near bottom of page for additional info).

    Yet, going by this thread, it seems I should be looking to pick up HR-3UTGB, which would be this one on amazon.

    Which one is the most current version? SEC-HR3U8BPN, according to the sanyo site, only gives 1500 cycles with 75% charge maintenance after 3yrs non-use, while the HR-3UTGB is supposed to give 1800 with 70% charge maintenance after 5yrs non-use (according to the OP list). The amazon ad for HR-3UTGB says 75% capacity after 5 years storage. It seems like HR-3UTGB is the one to get, but it isn't listed on the Sanyon site. Furthermore, HR-3U8BPN (or whatever pack iteration) is getting all the sales on amazon and was made available on amazon at a later date than the HR-3UTGB one I linked (suggesting a newer model, if "made available" date is any indication). I'm just thrown off by all the nomenclature which seems to vary by source....
    I purchased an 8-pack of Eneloop AA batteries listed as SEC-HR3U8BPN on Amazon here:
    http://www.amazon.com/eneloop-cycle-...dp/B004UG41XW/

    Although the outside packaging claims 1800 recharge cycles and 70% capacity after 5 years, all of the cells inside are all labeled HR-3UTGA, which matches 2nd generation batteries. Rather than these being 3rd gen. cells inside 2nd gen. wrappers, it seems more likely to me that these are indeed 2nd gen. cells appropriately wrapped and that they were subsequently placed inside 3rd gen. packaging.

    BTW, these were purchased directly from Amazon, LLC.

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    For now, I have HR-3UTGA, 11-05LX in Pink and Yellow.
    I can't seem to find my white ones and don't know which Gen they are. Probably 1st.
    Am picking up some Disney ones soon.

    I was wondering where my Sanyo Harmolattice 2500mAh (metallic red/orange wrapper) fall into?
    It has "Powered by Eneloop technology" printed on the side.
    Some say that they are the same as the Eneloop XX.
    Their code:
    HR-3U25HM
    10-11UG
    Min. 2,400mAh

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    Where do you get those Disney ones from?
    They are older eneloops, and limited editions, so likely they are going to be quite a bit more expensive than regular ones.

    the Sanyo Harmollatic ARE eneloop XX batteries. The only difference is that the Harmolattice don`t come pre-charged... so they are basically empty XX/PRO batteries

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    Just old stock from one of the local battery dealers here. It's a store that specializes in just batteries and chargers.
    From Alkalines and Lithium primaries to Li-Ions. Standard sizes and specialty ones as well for other type of electronics.

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    Just wondering how much they'll charge for them..

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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2014

    Thank you for this valuable resource.

    Just saved me at least $15 (can).

    I was going to purchase some XX cells from Dell Canada

    http://accessories.dell.com/sna/prod...mpANdG3dkK02Nw

    but I see they are HR3UWXA4A which I *thought* was not the most reliable version. Is that correct?

    Am I missing a good deal ?

    Advice appreciated
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChibiM View Post
    Just wondering how much they'll charge for them..

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    If I'm not mistaken, around US$3.50-$4 each. Imported stuff are expensive here. I'm just getting 4pcs. 2 of the Mickey Mouse bodies and 2 of another design to be used as pairs.
    Color coding my batteries makes it easier that I use the same age cells and that they get charged together.
    For single cell usage, I use the Eneloop Tropical since they have different colors.

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    ChibiM,

    Thanks for this great info!!!!!!

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    Which charger should I get for: 3rd Gen Pro AA (BK-3HCC), 4th Gen Std AA (BK-3MCC) and 4th Gen Std AA (BK-4MCC)

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    Any good charger like Maha C9000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mircozorzo View Post
    Any good charger like Maha C9000.
    possible for you to link me?

    Shouldn't I get a Eneloop branded charger?

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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2014

    There is no need for an eneloop charger if you can buy a Maha C9000, which has many more functions.
    if you want to keep it plain simple, yes, you can buy an eneloop charger, but take note that look for the better ones.
    Not time based chargers, but rather a "Smart-Charger" that can detect when the batteries are full.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChibiM View Post
    There is no need for an eneloop charger if you can buy a Maha C9000, which has many more functions.
    if you want to keep it plain simple, yes, you can buy an eneloop charger, but take note that look for the better ones.
    Not time based chargers, but rather a "Smart-Charger" that can detect when the batteries are full.
    Can you advise which Eneloop charger specifically should I get? I want something simple.

    Is this the MAHA C9000 you are talking about? http://amzn.com/B003DIGKOG

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    Hi,
    I'm not sure which eneloop chargers are available in your area. There are quite a few different ones. The Maha goes for about $50-$70, while a simple eneloop charger is much cheaper, probably around $20-$30 including eneloop cells.
    If you think you want to learn more about batteries etc, then the Maha is a good but expensive choice.. there are also other chargers which are cheaper, like the lacrosse bc700 etc but with the same kind of functionality as the Maha, but that is better to talk about in another thread...this is about eneloops..links are fine to post, but we shouldn't get too much off topic.
    Do a little research, and I would suggest one of those multi functional chargers over a simple eneloop charger.

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