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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2017

    What are the Eneloop Lite design for? Are they good in low drain devices?

    I seen them advertised on Amazon by a second party. I think there probably from China they said made in Japan.
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    Help out is an understatement! Between the thread starter and your web page it like getting a PhD in Eneloop...simply amazing, I cannot thank you enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnage View Post
    What are the Eneloop Lite design for? Are they good in low drain devices?
    I seen them advertised on Amazon by a second party. I think there probably from China they said made in Japan.
    It`s hard to say. If they are older stock from Japan (2013-2016) they are made in Japan. If newer stock than made in China. You should probably check with the seller.

    Quote Originally Posted by kilogulf59 View Post
    Help out is an understatement! Between the thread starter and your web page it like getting a PhD in Eneloop...simply amazing, I cannot thank you enough.
    LOL Thank you for appreciating my help

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    Awesome thread, thanks for all the information. Love my eneloops, mostly in household items.

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    @ChibiM , I couldn't find on your website the information how Panasonic does the testing of Eneloops to achieve the 1800-2100x cycle rating.

    Question (FAQ ;-) :
    How does Panasonic cycle the Eneloops in tests to achieve the advertised 1800-2100 cycle number rating? Do you know the testing conditions and parameters? And what is the technical criterion to call the end of the test?

    The retail packages cite §7.5.1.3 afaik of IEC , but only few people know what's it saying. Maybe you could write out the full testing conditions\parameters or summarize them in a nutshell🐁. Or do you think that it is not interesting to know how Panasonic tests their own batteries?

    For example do they use 1000mA charge rate and -500mA discharge rate for the cycling and 0.90V as cut-off? (These are the default values MH-C9000 and CPF users use)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kreisl View Post
    @ChibiM , I couldn't find on your website the information how Panasonic does the testing of Eneloops to achieve the 1800-2100x cycle rating.

    Question (FAQ ;-) :
    How does Panasonic cycle the Eneloops in tests to achieve the advertised 1800-2100 cycle number rating? Do you know the testing conditions and parameters? And what is the technical criterion to call the end of the test?

    The retail packages cite §7.5.1.3 afaik of IEC , but only few people know what's it saying. Maybe you could write out the full testing conditions\parameters or summarize them in a nutshell. Or do you think that it is not interesting to know how Panasonic tests their own batteries?

    For example do they use 1000mA charge rate and -500mA discharge rate for the cycling and 0.90V as cut-off? (These are the default values MH-C9000 and CPF users use)
    Hey Kreisl,
    Interesting question. Well, I do know (partly) how they test them (Thanks to member Viking here on CPF), so I could probably summarize that on my site somewhere. I might have to put that in the FAQ or in the Charge section. The thing is though that even with the IEC and JIS documents I watched I still have unanswered questions myself So if people ask me questions about the details I might not be able to answer them satisfactory.

    At least I can say for now that the test will be stopped when the remaining capacity it 60% of the original capacity (at least that is what I already have written somewhere on my site). And no, the testing parameters are not 1000mA charge and 500mA discharge parameters for the cycling rating. When I have time to dive into that again, I hope I will be able to make a summary that is somewhat understandable .
    Maybe that Mark over at Ultrasmartcharger.com already wrote about the these parameters.... somewhere

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    Thanks for your consideration.
    I don't have JIS , just IEC . And it's effing complicated, can't wrap my nuts around it. But maybe you can manage!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kreisl View Post
    @ChibiM , I couldn't find on your website the information how Panasonic does the testing of Eneloops to achieve the 1800-2100x cycle rating.

    Question (FAQ ;-) :
    How does Panasonic cycle the Eneloops in tests to achieve the advertised 1800-2100 cycle number rating? Do you know the testing conditions and parameters? And what is the technical criterion to call the end of the test?

    The retail packages cite §7.5.1.3 afaik of IEC , but only few people know what's it saying. Maybe you could write out the full testing conditions\parameters or summarize them in a nutshell. Or do you think that it is not interesting to know how Panasonic tests their own batteries?

    For example do they use 1000mA charge rate and -500mA discharge rate for the cycling and 0.90V as cut-off? (These are the default values MH-C9000 and CPF users use)
    Check out Eneloops: 5000 cycles and still going... thread for some answers.
    Poking around Mark's UltraSmartCharger forum should provide some additional information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChibiM View Post
    Eneloop Europe is going to have some nice new limited editions in August 2017
    Check out all the 21 special eneloops on my website


    They are now available for order at Amazon UK, Germany, Italy and Spain!

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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2017

    But not USA ? ? ?



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    Nope. I think the reason for that is because the eneloop 2100 expedition is concentrated on Europe. So I assume they will (at least for now) only be available in Europe.

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    Hello. Is there any advantage to purchasing the 5th generation eneloop pro BK-3HCD over the 4th generation? Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macan View Post
    Hello. Is there any advantage to purchasing the 5th generation eneloop pro BK-3HCD over the 4th generation? Thank you.
    You`ll get the newer ones!
    If you can get them both at the same store for the same price, go with the newest. If you can save a few dollars you could go for the older ones. Not a big deal... enjoy

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    Any updates to the two cell AA/AAA portable charger? I’ve got one from a couple years ago at this point. I need a couple new 5th AA/AAA’s Pro’s and figure to replace both at the same time.

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    I almost never use eneloops anymore. Cheap kids toys are not worthy, flashlights use 18650. But I just got a blood pressure monitor using 4xAA that supposedly eats up batteries. I pulled some eneloops out of my drawer that seem to be paired - manufactured 4/2011. After a couple cycles on the Opus 3100, they're all showing 1994mAh-2040mAh.
    GOOD TINT!

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    @bmstrong: I dont think there are any 2-bays that charge fast and smart. The BQ-CC23 is probably the latest 2-bay in their lineup, which is from 2013
    @markr6: eneloops all the way

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    Default Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2017

    18650 has its place. But half the time is a specialized purpose battery.
    Zebralight and Eneloop AA where made for each other. For general use there is no better combo as far as practically, cost, reliability and EDC.
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    Gotta agree with that, Zebralight and eneloops are a useful combo, I use every day. "General use" and EDC is a wide swath, though, and there are lots of use cases that demand greater efficiency than NiMH systems can deliver. Luckily, Zebralight has other choices to feed my habit!

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    Good points. Yes, more and more applications use lithium (ion) batteries. But the eneloops still have their place!

    On another note, yesterday I changed the layout of the website, and had a little struggle with getting everything in place again. Probably there are still some problems with a layout, so if you see anything, let me please know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChibiM View Post
    They are now available for order at Amazon UK, Germany, Italy and Spain!
    You are now parttime located in NL?

    Those colors are nice. The Ocean ones before overlapped with previous colored sets and the normal ones, these don't.

    But I need sets of five, so I would end up with four left over :/

    (Yes, Nikon SB-800 flash eats sets of 5)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcvjcvjcvjcv View Post
    You are now parttime located in NL?

    Those colors are nice. The Ocean ones before overlapped with previous colored sets and the normal ones, these don't.

    But I need sets of five, so I would end up with four left over :/

    (Yes, Nikon SB-800 flash eats sets of 5)
    Hi, no, full-time. I am back in the Netherlands, where I`m originally from
    I like these ones as well! I ordered an AA and AAA set.
    They are also available in the Netherlands at batterij huis and nkon.nl.
    Oh.. intersting, didnt know the SB800 needed 5 batteries. hmmm Im pretty sure you could use the spare 4 for something else useful! Like a flashlight or something. hihi

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    This may be a dumb question, but: should I buy some IKEA LADDA AA batteries?

    I don't have an IKEA anywhere near where I live, but will be traveling later this week and will be right around the corner from one that has plenty of AA LADDAs in stock. I've been burning through my remaining alkalines and plan on having nothing but rechargeables, so I'll need some AA batteries soon. I believe the general consensus is that the white Japanese LADDAs are re-wrapped Eneloop Pros and at $7 for 4, they seem like a good deal. Any reason not to buy them (ie. are there better LSD NiMH batteries for the price)?

    Follow-up #1: Should I treat these differently than standard non-Pro Eneloops or non-LSD NiMH batteries? I currently have a La Crosse BC-700 charger, but have a LiitoKala Lii-500 Engineer on the way (should be here in 3-4 weeks). I haven't read up too much on them, but I have found several mentions of a "break-in" period for the Pros in order to get the maximum capacity and life. Also, I generally just charge my batteries whenever I think about it and they're not usually fully discharged when I pop them in the La Crosse. Any advice on the best way to take care of my new batteries?

    Follow-up #2: What are the best uses for the Pros? I have an LED camera flash that only uses 2 AAs and I like to keep an extra pair with the camera, just in case. I have smoke alarms that use a couple of AAs. My front door is a battery-powered keypad/deadbolt. Like most (if not all) of you, I have a variety of LED flashlights. Digital kitchen scale, remote controls, some kids' toys. Are the LADDA/Eneloop Pro batteries especially suited for one type of situation over another (like camera flash versus smoke alarm)?

    Thanks!
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    Hey rczrider.
    Why shouldnt you?
    1.Just use your La Crosse and Liitokala. Both should do well! Don`t worry.
    2.White Ladda for high drain devices, tan Ladda for low drain devices.

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    Got myself a fake eneloop AAA pro, sent by CPF member HighLight.. thanks man!

    See the package being obvious fake.
    Last edited by ChibiM; 03-22-2018 at 08:09 AM.

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    The eneloop pros are best suited to high drain devices like your camera flash. They don't hold their charge as well during storage, and so in ultra low drain devices like your smoke detector or television remote, you would almost certainly be better off using standard eneloops. Even in a flashlight, I would say the eneloop pros are only good in a light that gets frequent maybe even heavy use. For a light that spends most of its time waiting for the occasional brief use and then back to waiting, I would recommend standard eneloops.

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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2017

    The new Panasonic BQ-CC65 is available now!
    If you are living in Europe get them here: https://eneloop101.com/where-to-buy/#in-europe(link is external)
    If you are from outside the EU check this out: https://eneloop101.com/where-to-buy/#other-sellers-with-worldwide-shipping(link is external)
    Last edited by ChibiM; 03-22-2018 at 08:10 AM.

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    Made a vid with the fake eneloop pro package. It was too difficult to get the batteriesc in focus. So for now just the package. I found more mistakes.
    Last edited by ChibiM; 02-05-2018 at 12:31 AM.

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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2017

    I have a question regarding the new Panasonic BQ-CC65 charger. I have seen pretty much all of the other versions would either have batteries with the charger or will not, however i can't seem to find this product with batteries. Does anyone know if this one will be available with batteries or it would be just the charger itself.

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    Default Re: Overview: All eneloop batteries; 2005-2017

    As far as I know the BQ CC65 is currently only available without batteries.

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    Thank you for all the valuable information.

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