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    Initial impressions are very good. The E2L-A provides a noticeable bump in performance over the previous E2L and the new E1L-A (as it should) and my one sample has a much whiter beam than my E1L-A. For those that are sensitive to such things, there is still a greenish tint around the edges but it's an absolute non-issue to me. I don't have an expert eye for color rendering but it appears to do a pretty good job.

    I'm a little bit surprised that the E2L-A does not have the same pocket clip as the new E2DL Ultra which includes a hole for attaching a lanyard. Instead, the clip is solid like on the LX2 and A2L. I can't believe that SureFire is planning to produce two nearly identical clips over the long term so I suspect that we will begin seeing the newer style clip on all these lights in the future, as the older ones are depleted.

    The E2LAA-A is my first AA powered SureFire so, unfortunately, I can't compare it to the earlier E2LAA. However, I can say that it has the whitest beam of the three latest generation Outdoorsman lights I have received. It comes supplied with Energizer Ultimate Lithium AA batteries.

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    Three different bezel assemblies (from left to right - E1L-A, E2L-A, E2LAA-A)


    When compared to the other two, the E1L-A (far right) has a noticeably purple cast to the lens/optic. As far as I know, all SureFire's have AR coatings on them but it's much more pronounced on the E1L-A






    It takes a long time to perform runtime tests on these lights so that's still in progress. So far, I have only completed the E2L-A on 2xCR123. As time permits I plan to test it on 1x17670.



    It's obvious that the E2L-A does not use the same step down strategy as the E1L-A (unless you count the step down at the 368 minute mark ). The output was very stable over the first 6+ hours before it began dropping in approximately 10% increments over the next 30 minutes. It then settled out at around 11-12% of initial output for the next 40 minutes and then after a brief burst of higher output, dropped down to a "moonlight" level. The E2L-A was still producing this lowest level of light after 9.5 hours when I gave up and went to bed last night.

    So far, SureFire has absolutely nailed it with regard to their advertised runtimes on the new Outdoorsman lights. In my tests of the E1L-A and E2L-A they both ran for exactly one minute over their advertised runtime to the 10% level. Regardless of what anyone may think about the output levels or total runtime, I think this consistency says something about the manufacturing tolerances for these lights and batteries.

    Based on my samples, the output of the E2L-A is about 25% greater than the E2L with KX2. Runtimes are very similar even though the lights behave slightly different when they drop out of the highest output. The E2L-A better tolerates nearly dead batteries with a consistent low output while the KX2 version began pulsing somewhere around the 9.5 hour mark. (not shown on chart)



    EDIT: The full reviews for the E2L-A and E2LAA-A are now up!

    The E2LAA-A is currently burning through a set of Eneloops so I don't have complete information on it yet. So far I can say that its initial measured output is virtually identical to the E2L-A and that it exhibits the same behavior as the E1L-A with a step-down to 75% after running for 2 minutes.

    Weather permitting I will get some outdoor beamshots tonight and will hopefully have a review of the E2L-A completed tomorrow. The E2LAA-A will take a bit longer as I will still want to test it with the Energizer Lithiums and a set of Energizer Alkalines.
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    Default Re: New SureFire E2L-A and E2LAA-A - Initial Impressions

    Thanks for doing this! The new E2L-A and E1L-A are really catching my attention and the runtime graphs that you did there are real nice. Big thanks!
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    Yes, thanks to you 880arm for the tests of these great lights!

    However, I already have the predecessors, and would not find it justified to get the new updated versions. The differences are not huge and because of the prices I really want to make use of the versions I have.
    Anyway I want to say that Surefire is something special. The quality feeling is unbeatable.
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    Really looking forward to some runtime data on the AA model!
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    The new E2L-A certainly looks like a winner. As a big fan of the E2L I'm glad that Surefire is giving it the love it deserves.
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    I must be missing something here. This is a 80 lumen and 3 lm...2 aa light that sells for...$160? Why would folks want it? Might have been nice 10 years ago...but in a world filled with excellent 2 aa lights putting out around 300 lumen...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badbeams3 View Post
    I must be missing something here. This is a 80 lumen and 3 lm...2 aa light that sells for...$160? Why would folks want it? Might have been nice 10 years ago...but in a world filled with excellent 2 aa lights putting out around 300 lumen...?
    I see it as 125 lumens on Surefire's website. The E2L has never been about barn burning brightness, simply to be reasonably bright while running for a looooong time on a single set of batteries. The new ones are no different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swedpat View Post
    Yes, thanks to you 880arm for the tests of these great lights!

    However, I already have the predecessors, and would not find it justified to get the new updated versions. The differences are not huge and because of the prices I really want to make use of the versions I have.
    Anyway I want to say that Surefire is something special. The quality feeling is unbeatable. My Surefire lights are the least I would get rid off!
    I know what you mean. These new lights are nice but the biggest upgrade over their predecessors is only on paper. We all know the older lights were better performers than their specifications would indicate. However, if you're upgrading from one of the earliest Outdoorsman lights it's definitely a substantial upgrade.

    I also think these slight increases in output and/or runtime position the lights to begin to fill other niches in the product line. For example, although the new E1L isn't a direct replacement, it does help fill some of the void left after the E1B was discontinued.

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG45-70 View Post
    Really looking forward to some runtime data on the AA model!
    On 2xEneloops (first test): 2 minutes @ 100%, 4 hours 38 minutes @ 75%, 4 hours 50 minutes total until it dropped below 10% initial output.

    It's about 2.5 hours into the test of the Energizer Ultimate Lithiums. If it holds true to SureFire's advertised ratings, we should know something more about them in about 10 hours.

    I've got some beam shots from last night I will try to get up later. Right now, my internet connection is kind of sporadic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Badbeams3 View Post
    I must be missing something here. This is a 80 lumen and 3 lm...2 aa light that sells for...$160? Why would folks want it? Might have been nice 10 years ago...but in a world filled with excellent 2 aa lights putting out around 300 lumen...?
    It's actually 115 and 5 lumens and sells for around $175. The previous version was 80 and 3 and sells for around $126 now. The Outdoorsman series of lights are oriented more toward longer runtime over high output. Also, the TIR lens allows for a pretty decent amount of reach with the relatively "low" output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 880arm View Post
    I know what you mean. These new lights are nice but the biggest upgrade over their predecessors is only on paper. We all know the older lights were better performers than their specifications would indicate. However, if you're upgrading from one of the earliest Outdoorsman lights it's definitely a substantial upgrade.

    I also think these slight increases in output and/or runtime position the lights to begin to fill other niches in the product line. For example, although the new E1L isn't a direct replacement, it does help fill some of the void left after the E1B was discontinued.



    On 2xEneloops (first test): 2 minutes @ 100%, 4 hours 38 minutes @ 75%, 4 hours 50 minutes total until it dropped below 10% initial output.

    It's about 2.5 hours into the test of the Energizer Ultimate Lithiums. If it holds true to SureFire's advertised ratings, we should know something more about them in about 10 hours.

    I've got some beam shots from last night I will try to get up later. Right now, my internet connection is kind of sporadic.



    It's actually 115 and 5 lumens and sells for around $175. The previous version was 80 and 3 and sells for around $126 now. The Outdoorsman series of lights are oriented more toward longer runtime over high output. Also, the TIR lens allows for a pretty decent amount of reach with the relatively "low" output.
    Oh, ok. Just did not seem to measure up to others at first glance...what type of run time could one expect from rechargeable batts on the high mode?

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    Thank you 880arm, we greatly appreciate your time, effort, lights & batteries!


    Quote Originally Posted by 880arm View Post
    I know what you mean. These new lights are nice but the biggest upgrade over their predecessors is only on paper. We all know the older lights were better performers than their specifications would indicate. However, if you're upgrading from one of the earliest Outdoorsman lights it's definitely a substantial upgrade.

    I also think these slight increases in output and/or runtime position the lights to begin to fill other niches in the product line. For example, although the new E1L isn't a direct replacement, it does help fill some of the void left after the E1B was discontinued.



    On 2xEneloops (first test): 2 minutes @ 100%, 4 hours 38 minutes @ 75%, 4 hours 50 minutes total until it dropped below 10% initial output.

    It's about 2.5 hours into the test of the Energizer Ultimate Lithiums. If it holds true to SureFire's advertised ratings, we should know something more about them in about 10 hours.


    I've got some beam shots from last night I will try to get up later. Right now, my internet connection is kind of sporadic.



    It's actually 115 and 5 lumens and sells for around $175. The previous version was 80 and 3 and sells for around $126 now. The Outdoorsman series of lights are oriented more toward longer runtime over high output. Also, the TIR lens allows for a pretty decent amount of reach with the relatively "low" output.
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    I am drooling over these lights while waiting for them to hit the shelves of my local dealer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIG45-70 View Post
    Really looking forward to some runtime data on the AA model!
    Quote Originally Posted by Badbeams3 View Post
    Oh, ok. Just did not seem to measure up to others at first glance...what type of run time could one expect from rechargeable batts on the high mode?
    Here's what it looks like on Eneloops. The test with the Energizer Ultimates is still chugging along . . .




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    Thank you 880arm, we greatly appreciate your time, effort, lights & batteries!
    It's a lazy rainy Sunday here so the time and effort are no problem. As far as the batteries are concerned, I try not to think about that!

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    Default Re: New SureFire E2L-A and E2LAA-A - Initial Impressions

    The E2L-A review is up!

    The short version is that I like the light a lot. Good output, long runtime, and it seems to have a very useful beam with a broad hotspot and a really wide spill beam. I also like the fact that it can sustain its full output for quite a while (6+ hours) but then give plenty of warning when it's time to change batteries. The output is more than adequate for most general uses without being excessive. It's not for everyone - no light ever is - but I believe it will find plenty of fans around here. I'm going to use this light a lot.

    I was a little surprised to notice the E2L-A (KE2 head) had a different beam profile than the E1L-A (KE1 head) and the E2LAA-A (KE1B head). Specifically, the hotspot is broader and slightly more diffuse. I can't really tell any difference between the LED's and optics by looking at them so I'm not sure if the difference is by design or if there is something "off" with my copy of the E2L-A (or with my eyesight).

    It's more than just a difference in output as the initial levels of the E2L-A and E2LAA-A are very very close to each other. In each photo below the distance to the wooden swing is 30 yards. Additional photos and side-by-side comparisons are in the review.







    Moving on to the E2LAA-A, the runtime tests with Energizer Ultimate Lithium primaries and a set of Energizer MAX Alkalines are completed. With the lithiums the E2LAA-A exceeded its advertised runtime with a total of 8 hours and 53 minutes until dropping below 10% output. As with the Eneloops (and the E1L-A), the output drops after the light is on for 2 minutes but with the lithiums, it dropped to 79% of its original output, rather than 75%. The Eneloops provided a slightly higher output than the other batteries.




    The alkalines surprised me a little bit providing over 3 hours of regulated output and over 4 hours until dropping below 10%. As with the lithiums, they dropped to 79% output after 2 minutes.




    Here's how the three battery types compare to each other




    Aside from taking some beam shots last night I haven't spent much time using the E2LAA-A, mainly because it's been spending so much time lighting up the inside of a box the past 2 days. I will try to spend some quality time with it over the next couple of days and start working on a full review. I also intend to take some current and voltage measurements to better understand the reduction in output after 2 minutes.
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    Default Re: New SureFire E2L-A and E2LAA-A - Initial Impressions

    Thanks once again for the beam shots and updates. Will you update us with a graph for the E1L-A also? I am suspecting that the output for the E1L-A would drop at two minutes too?
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    Default Re: New SureFire E2L-A and E2LAA-A - Initial Impressions

    Quote Originally Posted by pjandyho View Post
    Thanks once again for the beam shots and updates. Will you update us with a graph for the E1L-A also? I am suspecting that the output for the E1L-A would drop at two minutes too?
    You are correct, it also drops down after 2 minutes. You can read all about it in this thread.


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    Thanks so much. I missed that thread entirely. Very much appreciated!
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    Interesting results. But I am a bit surprised. The runtimes are pretty similar as the predecessors and with the drop after 2 minutes the brightness during the rest of the runtime actually is just slightly higher(likely not noticable without a side-by-side comparison). As far as I can see the newer versions then don't have so much higher performance as the specifications indicates.

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    I wish I had a light with the KX1B head so I could make a direct comparison. Hopefully someone who has this head, as well as the new E1L-A and/or E2LAA-A, will be able to share their experiences.

    I have intended to purchase an E2LAA for quite a while but just never got around to it. Maybe I just need to bite the bullet and get one but things have gotten a little out of hand lately with my light purchases. I need to slow down for a week or two.

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    Default Re: New SureFire E2L-A and E2LAA-A - Initial Impressions

    Which of the models do you find to be your favorite?

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    Very helpful information .
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    This is a great thread. I have the original E2L-AA and find the run times almost identical. It seems the performance difference is really only in the burst mode is this correct? I don't see an upgrade being worth it yet, especially considering the new model won't accept E Series filters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilsonCQB1911 View Post
    Which of the models do you find to be your favorite?
    The E2L-A by a long shot. The other lights have their uses but the E2L-A is the one I will carry the most often.

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG45-70 View Post
    This is a great thread. I have the original E2L-AA and find the run times almost identical. It seems the performance difference is really only in the burst mode is this correct? I don't see an upgrade being worth it yet, especially considering the new model won't accept E Series filters.
    I think the E2L-A is a pretty clear winner as it demonstrates higher output while still providing a very slight increase in runtime. I suspect the reason it only has 25% more output than its predecessor is just a reflection of how underrated the specs have been on SureFire lights in the past. Also, the beam profile is different which, depending upon someone's preferences, may be an improvement.

    The jury is still out on the E1L-A and E2LAA-A as I don't have their immediate predecessors to compare them to. However, I expect that minor problem to be resolved by Wednesday.

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    Great review....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 880arm View Post
    The E2L-A by a long shot...I suspect the reason it only has 25% more output than its predecessor is just a reflection of how underrated the specs have been on SureFire lights in the past. Also, the beam profile is different which, depending upon someone's preferences, may be an improvement...
    Great review!

    Wow, only a 25% pop in output. Call me cheap but I will keep my KX2 E2L's. I'm in the process of legoing my 2nd one since the KX2 bezels are being had for a song these days. I like the tight beams of the KX2 variants. Being able to assemble an older version for $100 will make me patient before I pull the trigger on an KE variant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelmo View Post
    Wow, only a 25% pop in output. Call me cheap but I will keep my KX2 E2L's.
    I wouldn't call you cheap for that. Unlike products like the EB1 and E2DL Ultra, I don't think the new Outdoorsman lights render their immediate predecessors obsolete (I use that term very loosely). They do offer somewhat different beam profiles which might appeal to some (but not others) and they would be a legitimate upgrade for Outdoorsman owners who skipped the more recent versions of the lights.

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    Excellent Review on an very interesting flashlight. A bit dissapointed that most of the SF dealers does not seem to have it yet. C`mon.
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    thanks 880arm! very nicely done.
    i love the outdoorsman series. i still edc my E1L all the time. and my E2LAA is the best 2xAA light ive ever had. unlike so many other 2xAA lights out there, the E2LAA isnt demanding on batteries, even on alkaline cells. but still has plenty for output for most needs.

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    Default Re: New SureFire E2L-A and E2LAA-A - Runtimes, Beamshots, and Impressions

    The full review of the E2LAA-A is now up!

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG45-70 View Post
    This is a great thread. I have the original E2L-AA and find the run times almost identical. It seems the performance difference is really only in the burst mode is this correct? I don't see an upgrade being worth it yet, especially considering the new model won't accept E Series filters.
    The runtimes are pretty close with the E2LAA-A edging out the older E2LAA (w/ KX1B) in both runtime and output. After the decrease in output, the E2LAA-A has about 9% more output with the gap widening very slightly over time. Results on alkalines look like they will be similar but I haven't completed testing those or the Eneloops.

    Hopefully the new filters (F04-A, F05-A, and F06-A) will be out by the end of August.



    Now I can start working on the EB2 review!

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    Thanks for the test 880arm!

    An improvement is an improvement and if I didn't already get E2L AA I would consider E2L AA-A.
    But now I would not get the updated version. The improvement is too small and I understand I will enjoy my E2L AA likely years ahead!

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    The regulation of the E2L-A is extraordinary wouw... I think I will get that one :-)
    Will the head of the E2L-A fit an LX2 body ?


    Oh.. and thanks for a magnificent review as always

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