Flashlight for multi-day power outage

lionesser

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Hi,

I am new to this forum, however I am established on bladeforums. I am looking for a good flashlight that will be able to light up large areas for multiple hours running on a basic rechargable power source like aa, aaa, or 18650s. Single cell is preferable to multi-cell where possible, although cost and quality are the most important factors as my budget is $100 or less. Thank you for your help in advance.

1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?

____I would like to purchase the light in person from a brick and mortar store. I am located in ______________.
___x_This will be mail-order or Online (location doesn't matter).


2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :)

____I don't know yet
____Up to $25.
____Up to $50.
__x__Up to $100.
____Up to $200.
____Up to $300.
____Essentially unlimited.


3) Format:

____I am not sure, please help me decide.
__x__I want a flashlight (hand held/self contained).
____I want a self-contained headlamp.
____I want a headlamp with an external pack/power source.
____I want a mounted light (typically for a bicycle or vehicle)
____I want a lantern/area light.
____I want a portable spotlight (it may have an external power source).
____Other ____________________________________________


4) Size:

____MICRO - Keychain size.
____TINY - Every day carry (2-4 inches).
___x_SMALL - Every day carry (4-7 inches).
__x__MEDIUM - Holster/belt ring carry. (>7 inches)
____LARGE - Big enough to need its own travel case.
____I don't know/I don't care.


5) Emitter/Light source:

__x__LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)
____Incandescent (known for superior color rendition)
____HID (known for max output, but often at the expense of size)
____I don't know.


6) Manufacturer:

__x__I want to buy a light from a large/traditional manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.
____I would like a light from a specialty manufacturer (Possibly limited run/Custom).
____I am interested in assembling my own components. (for example a "host" or flashlight body from one manufacturer, and a "drop-in" emitter from another source).


7) What power source do you want to use?

___x_I intend to use "Primary"/Disposable Alkaline batteries based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
___x_I intend to use "Primary"/Disposable Lithium batteries based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D and CR123 sized cells common to most stores (often a cold weather or long storage choice).
_x__I intend to use Rechargeable cells (NiMH or NiCD) based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
__x_I intend to use Rechargeable cells based on less common formats (18500 or 18650 Li-Ion, RCR123, et-al).
____I want a light with an integrated rechargeable battery pack.
____I don't know/I need more information on power sources.

7a) If you have selected a rechargeable option
____I want a light that plugs directly into the wall (literally with prongs built into the light)
____I want a light that has a recharging adapter (your typical "wall wart")
____I want a light that snaps into a cradle (usually mounted on a wall)
____I want a separate/stand-alone charger (this involves removing the batteries to charge)
__x_I don't care


8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is not a happy experience).

___x_I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (1-10 lumens).
__x__I want an indoor "blackout" light (15-50 lumens)
___x_I want to confidently walk around an unlit/unpaved rural area (60-150 lumens).
___x_I want to illuminate my entire backyard or a campsite (150-300 lumens).
_x__I want to illuminate an entire field, the neighbor's front yard several houses down, impress my friends and neighbors, etc. (300-700 lumens).
____I want search and rescue type illumination (800+ lumens).

___x_SPECIAL NOTE: Burst/Turbo mode Category - There are several lights that will run at a super bright maximum for a very limited period (usually 5-10 minutes) and then will "step-down" to a lower level for thermal control. Check here if this is acceptable.


9) Flood vs Throw: Flood covers an area, Throw reaches out to a distance.*

*I don't know on this one*

____All Flood: I am doing "arms length" tasks like reading and campsite cooking.
____Wide Flood: I want a defined flood area for semi-close tasks like after-dark campsite tasks or working on a car.
____Narrow Flood: I want a sharply defined flood area that will project some distance for tasks like trail walking.
____Wide Throw: I want a beam with a noticeable hot-center for distance throw and a significant amount of "side-spill". Good for rough trail hiking, search and rescue, and general distance work.
____Narrow Throw: I want a beam with a very tight "hot center" and minimal "side-spill". Good for distance viewing, fog, and looking through dense undergrowth.
____Turbohead: I want a far-distance projector with a sharply focused spot of light and minimal or zero side-spill. Good for extreme distance and impressing your friends.

9a) Distance: How far away will you typically need to see with this light (check all that apply)
___x_Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
__x__Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
___x_5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
__x__30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
____50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)
____150+ yards (I am searching from a helicopter)

10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum continuous output).

____Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
____30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
____90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
___x_3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).




11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights.

____Not Important (A "night-stand" light).
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood).
___x_Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
____Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).
____I don't know.


12) Switch Size, Type, and location (choose all that apply):

____Any size switch will do.
____I need a BIG switch (I'll be using gloves or have very large hands or coordination issues).
____I want a forward clicky (Helpful for momentary activation and signaling).
____I want a reverse clicky (For use with multi-mode/level lights).
____I want a momentary switch (Predominantly for use with signaling and short bursts of momentary light only).
____I want a twisty switch (Tighten the head/tailcap to activate, and the light will stay on until the head/tailcap is loosened).
__x_I want a body mounted switch (near the head, like on a Maglite).
__x_I want a tail mounted switch (found on the majority of today's high end lights).
____I want a remote switch (usually found on high-end bicycle headlights)
____I don't care.
____I don't know.
__x_Other, please specify__Anything except twisty style switch____.


13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.

__x_A simple on-off with only one output level is fine for me.
__x_I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
__x_I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a programmable light.
____I want a selector ring.
____I want a strobe mode. (Oscillating pattern to confuse/blind aka "Police Mode")
____I want SOS mode. (blinks in ---...--- emergency pattern)
____I want a beacon mode. (Regular flashes at full power to show location.)
____I don't care.
____I don't know.


14)Material/Finish/Coating

____Plastic/composite body (this may limit your choices significantly).
____Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today's higher end flashlights).
____Stainless steel (durable, but much heavier than aluminum)
____Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).
__x_I don't care.
____I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________.

15) Water resistance
____None needed
____IPX4 (Splash resistant)
__x_IPX7 (Waterproof to 1 meter/30min)
____IPX8 (Submersible to greater than 1 meter for 4 hours)

16) Storage conditions
__x_In house (temperature/climate controlled environment)
__x_Emergency kit (long standby periods)
____Automobile glove-box (wide temperature swings, long standby periods, critical reliability)
____Other_________________________________________ ____


17) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any/all below.

____Red filter (for preserving night vision).
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________).
____Dedicated R/G/B secondary LEDs.
____"Hybrid" light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Pocket/belt clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Crenulated bezel
____Non-sparking, Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments

Lionesser
 

reppans

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My go to light for emergency lighting is a Lego'd Quark QPA-X which I run on 14500s and 3V CRAAs. In a pinch I can run scavenged household AAs, AAAs, or 9Vs (dozens in various devices), and anything sized between CR123s and 18650s, with just a piece MacGyver tinfoil I EDC. You can, of course get optional tubes to run 2AA, CR123, or 16650/17670 cells - sadly no 18650 tubes anymore.
 

mcnair55

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I am scratching my head here trying to select a light,i think of something and then read your selection form and find my light will not be suitable.You have me beat i am afraid on this occasion.
 

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Shiftyk5

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In my very novice opinion here is what I am going with since I live in an area where storms knock power out often.
Sunwayman D40a

CREE 40450 185 Lumens Multi-functional LED Lantern and Torch

CREE 40426 110 Lumens Bright Light CREE XLamp Warm White Camping LED Lantern

These are what I'm buying.

My reasons are they all run off AA rechargeable batteries which can erasing be found, eneloop, Duracell ion core 2400, and energizer 2300 green tops. The lanterns for lighting rooms and the D40a for carrying.

Hope this helps, from one noob to another.
 

Timothybil

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I think you would be happier with a couple of different lights. Coleman, Eveready and Rayovac all make really nice LED lanterns that would work very well for room lights or camping. There are even a couple of collapsible ones that are rated very high - do a search for collapsible backpack lanterns here on SOL. For all around use I would say something like an EA4 would be great. It's a great small light that will run for quite a while on low, yet still let you reach out and touch someone when you need to. It runs on 4AA (I personally would use lithium primaries or NiMH). It is well built, rated at IPX-8, and easy to use. Another nice light is the Streamlight ProTac EMS (my EDC). It has three levels - 4, 10 and 50 lumens - and the really nice thing is it always starts out on low, so you don't go blasting your eyes before you can step down. Above all, remember the Surefire motto - "Two is One, and One is None!"
 

P_A_S_1

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Malkoff MD2 'turnkey' with a M61ll or M61wll (tint preference) is an option, however it's at the top of your budget ($99). If 100/70 lumens (depending on the drop-in) is enough the runtimes are very good, Malkoff lights get good reviews here on CPF, and the battery configurations can be CR123x2 orRCR123x2 or 18650x1 (might even take a 17670x1 but not 100% sure on it). Just an option, good luck.
 

maglite mike

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During hurricane sandy my maglite ml125 was a savior. 10 days without power and used around the clock. I was able to charge my spare battery with the generator. Also had alkaline c batteries As backup but never even needed them. I must have dropped it a dozen times including sinking it in 3ft of sewage. It didn't miss a beat. Super Long run time,,plenty bright and the ability to use alkaline batteries. Oh and tough as nails. Its also just big enough to use for self defense. This light exceeded my expectations and came through in crisis.
 

ChrisGarrett

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I agree with Timothy and would suggest at least one, or two, lanterns for SHTF preps.

I've got an old Coleman 6v dual flourescent tube jobbie, a propane dual mantle and a dual fuel dual mantle lantern, as well as a little $18 Energizer AA/D LED lantern that will work for a medium sized room. It might not be as bright as some others, but it's a dual battery type and that was important for me, as I have tons of AA Eneloops, but not a lot of rechargeable D batteries.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0018KS37I/?tag=cpf0b6-20

You can still get my model at Walmart, but it looks like it might be discontinued going by Energizer's site.

Here's something I found:

Somebody's Top 5 LED lanterns:

http://www.comparing.guru/pages/nsearch?seedid=344&origin=google&gclid=CJqBgM7i8L0CFZJj7Aod8HYA0A

Chris
 

Jash

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Quark QPA with extra 2AA body and a Fenix AD501N diffuser. Bright, dim, good run times, tail stands and can be optioned to death with most of the Quark low voltage range (1AA/2AA/single CR123/single RCR123/single 14500/single 18650 if you can find a body - RARE!).

Options are almost endless and they're good lights with a top warranty.


Also, don't forget to get a decent headlamp that's battery compatible with your flashlight. And lithium spares for just in case.
 

lionesser

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My main flashlight edc is a fenix e12 with a photon freedom backup light.

reppans: I can not find the Lego'd Quark QPA-X using a google search. I am not sure why, but the search came up dry. I am interested in learning more about it. Thanks.

dr. Chernobyl: I really like this idea. This feels like an upgrade on my Fenix pd35. Is Thrunite a dependable brand? This one is most likely being purchased as soon as I get a real chance and they become a bit easier to find.

mcnair55: My apologies for stumping you.

Ven: Thank you for attaching reviews those are really helpful.

Voicemaster: Are there any advantages/disadvantages on these?

Shiftyk5: I hear you on having multiple lights. I have a couple of fenix lights already, however since discovering the room can be fully lit with around 400 lumens I figured that can be useful too.

Timothybil: I do not know what SOL means and a forum search did not turn up anything. Collapsible lanterns could be a good alternative given the power and long run times. The EA4 is intriguing as it looks like it can tailstand as well and has high power for aa only usage.

PAS1: I'm not opposed to the cost of it, however I am not finding much information listed on run times with lumens. Also lacking information on size. I would favor using an 18650 in this light.

ChrisGarrett: That lantern has a lot of promise and comes at a reasonable price. I am also like you, many aa's and very few D batteries.

Jash: I found the light itself on amazon. I have not explored headlamps to be honest.
 

P_A_S_1

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PAS1: I'm not opposed to the cost of it, however I am not finding much information listed on run times with lumens. Also lacking information on size. I would favor using an 18650 in this light.

The M61ll/M61wll (100/70 lumens) draws the same and give 10 hours of regulated run time followed by a long taper as per the Malkoff web site (using 2 cr123s). The MD2 is about the size of a SF P6 if that helps. The below links have lots of good information, good luck.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?216527-Malkoff-LED-drop-in-for-Surefires-Spec-

Listhttp://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?336391-The-Official-Malkoff-Junkie-thread-Part-


http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?293867-Malkoff-M61WLL-17-5-hours-on-18650!!
 
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Dave D

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Turnkey Malkoff MD2 with High/Low, it comes with the M61 lamp module but if you contact Gene he will likely charge you an extra $5 to swap it for the M361N-LMH, Neutral Low - Medium - High, which will give you 6 different light output levels of approximately 375, 75, 15 ,8, 1.5, 0.4 Lumens.

If you don't want the low 8, 1.5, 0.4 lumens options you can buy the MD2 without the High/Low switch.

If you don't like the Neutral version then the standard M361 puts out 400, 80 and 15 lumens.

It will work with a single 18650 or 2 x CR123's or 2 x RCR123's..

Customer service from Malkoff is legendary and the MD2 is very well made.
 

dr. Chernobyl

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dr. Chernobyl: I really like this idea. This feels like an upgrade on my Fenix pd35. Is Thrunite a dependable brand? This one is most likely being purchased as soon as I get a real chance and they become a bit easier to find..

I have T10S from thrunite and it is built like a tank, and also I handled TN32, amazing light for the money, from what I have seen so far they make quality products at reasonable prices
 

reppans

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reppans: I can not find the Lego'd Quark QPA-X using a google search. I am not sure why, but the search came up dry. I am interested in learning more about it. Thanks.

It's a QP2A-X with an optional 1xAA body - "Lego'd"
 

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Shiftyk5: I hear you on having multiple lights. I have a couple of fenix lights already, however since discovering the room can be fully lit with around 400 lumens I figured that can be useful too.

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lionesser,
As you can see, you received suggestions of all different manufacturers, different numbers of cells in the lights, and different cells themselves. The reason being... is that as long as you have enough batteries, or the ability to recharge them, then just about any light, or combination of multiple lights will fill a room with light.

I'd like to suggest that you read through THIS POWER OUTAGE THREAD I believe that we did a good job of discussing power outages, battery needs, and the numbers of lumens needed for MOST people to be comfortable for an extended outage. Within the thread, we also discussed when cool white vs warm white/neutral white lights might be more comfortable. We discussed generators, using the car to recharge batteries, and powering furnaces, or pellet stoves. We even discussed making popcorn! :)

Personally I like 18650 celled lights for their 7-9 hour ability to throw about 80-100 lumens.

If you want a single light to throw about 400 lumens for five hours, then I might suggest a Fenix TK35. It takes two 18650s. Depending upon the size of the room, though, you might prefer multiple lights staged in different locations each at 80-100 lumens.
 

cland72

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Check out this combo:

$40 Streamlight "The Seige" lantern - runs on 3 D batteries, but you could run Eneloops in D battery adapters
$50 FourSevens Quark Pro in AA - has moonlight all the way to high, and would be an excellent all around handheld
 

Poppy

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Check out this combo:

$40 Streamlight "The Seige" lantern - runs on 3 D batteries, but you could run Eneloops in D battery adapters
$50 FourSevens Quark Pro in AA - has moonlight all the way to high, and would be an excellent all around handheld

While they may be excellent power outage recommendations, they're only about 300 lumens short of lionesser's desired 400 lumens. LOL, and moonlight is only 399 lumens short of 400 :)
 
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