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    Charger Xtar VP2




    Xtar has many good LiIon chargers, this is an upgrade to their most advanced charger the VP1. It has two channels, each with a voltmeter, 3 current settings and 3 voltage settings. It can also be used as a usb power box.



    It comes in a cardboard box with a window.



    In the box is the charger, a power supply, a car adapter, a instruction sheet, a warranty card and a sheet about LiIon batteries.
    The sheet about LiIon list the advantage with using LiIon batteries and has a table with the 3 different types that this charger can handle.



    The charger has a DC connector for power input, a usb output and a voltage switch. The actual position of the voltage switch is shown on the display of the charger, when no batteries are in the charger, I believe this is a very good idea.




    The slots have raised battery connections, i.e. flat top batteries can be used. The slider works very smooth and can take batteries from 30mm to 71.2mm.



    On the top of the charger is a switch to select charge current, it can select between 0.25A, 0.50A and 1.00A, the current will be the same in both slots. There is also two leds to show when the batteries are full. The leds are red when charging and green at other times. When usb output is activated the one for the usb battery is used to show the battery charge state.
    Below the switch is the display, by holding the switch down the display can be turned off/on (but not the leds), this will not affect any function in the charger.



    Here is the display captured during startup, where all elements can be seen.




    When there is no battery in the charger, the display will show the selected charge voltage, this will also be shown if the switch is changed during charge. The selected current will be shown between the two voltage displays.



    During charge the display will show the actual battery voltage and the battery icon is animated.

    The user interface is a good upgrade from VP1 with the charge leds and the white background lightning is shield much better on this charger.
    The voltmeter has a good precision, when charging it will show slightly above the battery voltage, as expected. Sadly it will not really work above max. charge voltage: it will show one value and then stop updating.



    Xtar has recently started adding a product verification code to their equipment. This code can be verified on their website.






    The charger can handle 70 mm long batteries, inclusive flat top cells.



    Measurements


    • Changing the voltage selector will restart charging.
    • Below 2.0 volt the charge current is 1.5 mA.
    • Between 0.15 volt and 2.0 volt the battery symbol will flash and voltage will be updated, but it need 1 volt to start this mode (Led is red).
    • Between 2.0 and 2.9 volt the charger current is about 50mA/50mA/80mA in the 3 current ranges (Led is red).
    • Above 2.9 volt the regular CC/CV is used, see curve below.
    • Without power it will discharge the battery with about 12mA on usb channel and 5mA on the other channel.
    • With power it will charge with about 0.3 mA when the battery is full.
    • Build in voltmeter is within +/-0.01 volt when not charging.
    • Build in voltmeter about +0.01 volt at 0.25A
    • Build in voltmeter about +0.02 volt at 1.00A
    • The voltmeter can show voltages from 0.01 volt to above 4.35 volt, but will freeze the reading, when it is above selected charge voltage and not resume updating, before voltage is below again.
    • When selecting charge voltage without a battery in the charge the voltmeter shows selected voltage.
    • Charge will restart if battery voltage drops to 3.9 volt (3.3 in LiFePO4 mode).
    • The charger will restart when a battery is inserted or power is cycled.
    • Because each channel is independent, the different voltages varies between the channels with a small amount.





    First charge curve shows a very nice CC/CV curve with a termination about 70mA. This is a very good charge curve.



    The other channel does also work fine.





    Different capacity batteries, need different charge time.



    Reducing the charge current to 0.5A, does reduce the termination current slightly and it uses the same good CC/CV curve.



    The 0.25A charge current uses same termination as 0.5A, this time the termination current is on the high side.



    Trying to provoke the charger with my old 16340 cell does not show any problems, the charger handles it nicely.



    Reducing the charge current to the 16340, makes the curve more smooth.




    A 14500 cell at 0.5A works fine.



    Same with a 18350 at 0.5A.



    There is not much difference between charging one and two cells at the same time.



    Using an external 12V supply, the charger draws nearly 1A while charging.



    M1: 43,4C, M2: 42,1C, M3: 44,3C, HS1: 59,2C



    M1: 43,2C, M2: 41,8C, M3: 44,2C, HS1: 56,0C
    There is no surprise in the temperature profile: The electronic generates some heat, this makes the usb connector hot and increases the temperature of the batteries.



    The charger needs about 10 seconds to turn on and will always turn on at the 0.25A setting.



    When selecting a higher current, the charger will slowly increase the charge current, until the new setting is reached.



    A chemistry change stops the charger and restarts it a bit later.



    3.0 and 3.2 volt batteries (LiFePO4)

    Some LiIon are marked 3.0 volt, they are usual 3.2 volt LiFePO4 batteries and must be charge with a 3.6 volt charger. The VP2 has a setting for this.



    Again the charge does a nice CC/CV and turns off when the battery is full.



    I did start with the cell fully discharged and the charger starts reviewing the cell, first going to full current when the voltage reach 2.9 volt.
    It does not adjust that setting when changing battery voltage. The actual charge curve is fine.



    4.35 volt charging (Switch at 3.8 volt)

    A few LiIon batteries can be charged with a higher voltage than the usual 4.2 volt, either 4.30 volt or 4.35 volt. This charger supports the 4.35 volt type, the 4.30 volt type must be charged with 4.20 volt or can be charged with the 4.35 volt if the voltage of the charger is slightly low (This MUST be verified on the charger first).



    The 4.35V charging does also look perfect.



    USB output


    • Does not turn output off automatic when unloaded, this requires a button press.
    • Usb output is coded as Apple 1A
    • Display is off when using usb output.
    • The green led is on above 3.5 volt battery voltage.
    • The red led is on above 3.15 volt battery voltage.
    • Below 3.15 volt the red led is flashing.
    • When a lower voltage led indication has been activated, the battery must be removed to reset it.
    • Usb will discharge the battery with 24mA when nothing is connected, but it is turned on.
    • Only one slot is used for usb output power.
    • Usb output can only be used when the charger is without 12 volt power.
    • The usb output has a fairly high current drain, also when off. I.e. do not store batteries in the charger (It can drain a battery in about 10 days).





    The usb output is very stable, even at 2A load, I would have preferred that there was a overload cutout.



    The usb output has no problems with a 1A load, the efficiency is about 90% and it turns off the output when the battery is down to 3 volt. This looks very good.



    Same with 0.5A load (I let the recording run for a few hours after the output turned off).




    Other battery capacities changes the time the output is on, but the function is still good.



    There is very little noise in the output, 8mV rms and 60mVpp with a 1A load.



    Reducing the load to 0.5A, does also reduce the noise to 6mV rms and 50mVpp.



    Testing the mains transformer with 2500 volt and 5000 volt between mains and low volt side, did not show any safety problems.



    Conclusion

    This charger can be used for nearly all LiIon batteries on the market and will charge them correctly. The usb output delivers very clean power, but it lacks a overload cutout.

    This charger is a nice update to the VP1 charger and like the VP1 I will call it a very good charger.

    Is there a reason to upgrade from the VP1? The actual charging is the same, but VP2 support more chemistries, larger batteries and it has a very visible led, showing when it is finished with charging. If you are using or going to use any of these batteries that it now support, an upgrade might be a good idea.


    Could I wish for more in this charger? The answer is yes, there are a few minor details I would have liked: 0.1A setting (Some small lights use very small LiIon batteries) and 4.30 volt charging.



    Notes

    The charger was supplied by Xtar for review.

    Here is an explanation on how I did the above charge curves: How do I test a charger
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    Thanks for the review, as always.

    Can you use the 4.35v (3.8v) charging mode to charge up true 4.30v cells and just watch for the voltmeter to hit 4.30v and remove those cells?

    I'm kind of confused by this, or will it not hurt a 4.30v cell to be charged up to 4.35v (+/- .05v tolerance?).

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    One of the most in depth and informative reviews I have read in a long time!

    Thanks for putting in the time & hard work
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGarrett View Post
    Can you use the 4.35v (3.8v) charging mode to charge up true 4.30v cells and just watch for the voltmeter to hit 4.30v and remove those cells?
    You can, but it would not be fully charged.


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGarrett View Post
    I'm kind of confused by this, or will it not hurt a 4.30v cell to be charged up to 4.35v (+/- .05v tolerance?).
    If the charger only charges to 4.35 volt it would be within tolerance, but it could charge to 4.38 or 4.4 volt, that would be within tolerance for a 4.35 volt cell, but not for a 4.3 volt cell.
    I.e. you must measure the voltage during charge (When the display shows near 4.35 volt), if the voltage stays below 4.35 volt, the charger is fine for 4.30 volt batteries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by x-ray View Post
    One of the most in depth and informative reviews I have read in a long time!

    Thanks for putting in the time & hard work
    Thank you, but I did publish it to fast, I had forgotten two curves, they are included now.
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    Many thanks HKJ as always you excellent reviews are greatly appreciated,i had already crossed the Ts,you have dotted the Is

    It a must buy for me,by end of next week i should have one in my possession ...................thanks again

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    thanks for the review.
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    Thank you Sir for yet another in your extensive series of in depth reviews.

    I wish they had a 6 bay version. ..but, this looks like an excellent choice for cell pairs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TEEJ View Post
    Thank you Sir for yet another in your extensive series of in depth reviews.

    I wish they had a 6 bay version. ..but, this looks like an excellent choice for cell pairs.

    Just get three and get the added benefit of being able to charge three phones at the same time.
    HKJ: thanks for the review. It looks like this is the one I've been waiting for, glad it turned out to live up to my expectations.
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    Is it healthy to charge a Keepower 14500(840mAh) at 0.5A using this charger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by newbie66 View Post
    Is it healthy for me to charge a Keepower 14500(840mAh) at 0.5A using this charger?
    No problem in that. Check my "Supported batteries table" it has a column with recommended currents for different battery sizes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    No problem in that. Check my "Supported batteries table" it has a column with recommended currents for different battery sizes.
    Oh I see, thanks. I have been using 0.25A to charge and it takes years to do so. Now I can get it charged faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newbie66 View Post
    Oh I see, thanks. I have been using 0.25A to charge and it takes years to do so. Now I can get it charged faster.
    I now use the 250mA rates for my 16340s and 10440s, 500mA for my 14500s, 17670s and older Sony 2000mAh 18650 laptop pulls and then 1A for my fresher 18650s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGarrett View Post
    I now use the 250mA rates for my 16340s and 10440s, 500mA for my 14500s, 17670s and older Sony 2000mAh 18650 laptop pulls and then 1A for my fresher 18650s.

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    Good advice. Will save these details for future reference.

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    Nice review as always!
    It would be nice with a VP4 with support for 4 batteries and 2A.
    A discharge test to check capacity would also be sweet.

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    Thank you for the review ! Just bought one

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    Awesome as always HJK.
    I purchase the VP2 a few days ago along with a Fenix ARB-L2 2600mAh 18650 battery.
    The XTAR MC1 will become my travel charger due to its size.

    I purchased these items based on your reviews and tests and am very satisfied with them. Thanks for all the effort!

    Just wondering though if you could do a review of the Nitecore batteries if you happen to have them and if ever you get a Fenix 3400mAh 18650.
    It's just so hard to purchase good 19650s where I'm from and these are the few that are accessible. The vape shops here mainly sell unprotected cells and most of them are xxxFIRE brands.

    Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BloodLust View Post
    Just wondering though if you could do a review of the Nitecore batteries if you happen to have them and if ever you get a Fenix 3400mAh 18650.
    It's just so hard to purchase good 19650s where I'm from and these are the few that are accessible. The vape shops here mainly sell unprotected cells and most of them are xxxFIRE brands.
    Mostly I review the batteries dealers/manufacturers ships to me, when I run out of them I buy batteries that I believe is interesting to review (for one reason or another).
    3100/3400mAh batteries are not very interesting to review anymore, because they all contain the same Panasonic cell and only have minor differences in protection and size. Some of the new high current cells are much more interesting.
    I might test the Nitecore some day, but at the current time I have a queue of batteries to test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    Mostly I review the batteries dealers/manufacturers ships to me, when I run out of them I buy batteries that I believe is interesting to review (for one reason or another).
    3100/3400mAh batteries are not very interesting to review anymore, because they all contain the same Panasonic cell and only have minor differences in protection and size. Some of the new high current cells are much more interesting.
    I might test the Nitecore some day, but at the current time I have a queue of batteries to test.
    I think that as of right now, the E-cig guys are on the cutting edge of 'testing/utilizing' battery technology and pushing the envelope when it comes to sucking the last bit of juice out of a cell(s) and doing it at 8-10A+, or sub-ohm territory, which pretty much fries these cells in a matter of months, if not weeks, when vaping on the edge, like many do.

    I think that the technology, focus (sales) and experimentation has shifted from us dorky flashlight guys, who are ........ over an extra 200-300mAh in a 700LM light, or whether these PCBs are better than those, all the while, the E-cig guys (and I'm only a cigar smoker) are blasting their way down to .1 ohms in their mechs (modified) and killing (through hard use) these great hybrid cells like the Sony VTC-5/4s, Pannie PDs/PFs/BDs (?) and then the Efest Purples, LGs, Samsungs and Sanyos.

    All but the hotwire flashlight guys are wussies these days, when it comes to putting li-ions through the rigors.

    Testing those would be interesting and when you test them, bang on them hard! I want to see some pictures of small outdoors fires.

    I hear that the Czechs are now making good surplus gas masks, for cheap, so you should be fine.

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    I have already tested some of the high current batteries and more will be added. Without modifying my equipment I can only test with 30A, that is slightly above 0.1ohm. Generally I try to stay within a battery's rating and I do not expect to see any fires.
    I do believe that some vapors are reading my battery test and probably also charger test.
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    I have a vp2 on the way,UK price from my supplier 1st class post 30 which imo is good.Thanks you again

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    Awesome as always HJK.
    The Xtar VP2 is on my wish list

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    I do believe that some vapors are reading my battery test and probably also charger test.
    I know they do because I've been on some E-cig boards where they've linked your site.

    There's also some other guy in Germany that does tests for these cells/chargers in a similar fashion and I've seen links to his data as well.

    I think that you're a bit more thorough, however and I like your presentations better!

    Keep up the good work and enjoy your fame!

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    I am an ecig guy nd tbh don't push it as find I get good vape from 4.0v from a 2.0ohm aty,pany 3400 etc are fine,have many samsung ,pany,sany cells specifically for my mods.

    Tried buildables bit too much faffing,so I meet in middle ,decent mod and tank,decent fluid Nd happy with results as now 18months cig free.Its a hobby in itself regarding cells ,mods,tanks etc




    I run this of mainly pany 3400 along with LG ,after a day I top cells off on sp1 at 1A and done within 20-30 mins.Rotate cells of the 6 I keep in cupboard .


    So I will use the vp2 along with the sp1 for my mod cells
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    may try some 4.35v soon too

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    My pocket 445 nm laser can light a cigarette about 10' away.




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    From what I gathered via my limited reading is once you go sub ohm, even down to .2 and .1 ohms, that is a threshold where a lot of cells will be taxed heavily and where E-cig guys get separated from the 'casual/conservative' li-ion users into the hardcore pioneers.

    It was an interesting, albeit limited, read.

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    Thanks for the review. This looks like another great charger from Xtar and also has included more functionality that users were requesting/hoping for. Your reviews are very thorough and helpful, HKJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Tone View Post
    Thanks for the review. This looks like another great charger from Xtar and also has included more functionality that users were requesting/hoping for. Your reviews are very thorough and helpful, HKJ.
    Heh, I was requesting almost exactly this charger on their Facebook page about a year ago. Pleasantly surprised they added the voltage switch on top of what otherwise matches my request perfectly.

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    So with the termination current on the 0.25A setting being on the high side, does this mean 16340 cells won't be fully charged? I noticed mine drop down to about 4.16 pretty quick after the light goes green. I attributed it to the fact that the cells are about 2 years old.

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    Default Re: Test/Review of Charger Xtar VP2

    Quote Originally Posted by Slumber Pass View Post
    So with the termination current on the 0.25A setting being on the high side, does this mean 16340 cells won't be fully charged? I noticed mine drop down to about 4.16 pretty quick after the light goes green. I attributed it to the fact that the cells are about 2 years old.
    Yes, but it is a very small difference, probably in the range of 1% to 2% capacity. Very few chargers has a low enough termination current for small cells.

    I did some test with 18650 batteries and termination current here: http://lygte-info.dk/info/BatteryCha...rent%20UK.html I hope to expand on this later on.
    Originally the idea was to do that when my 2012 battery test was finished, but it is not finished yet after nearly 2 year. Today I have more equipment and may be able to use some other equipment for this test.
    Last edited by HKJ; 05-23-2014 at 01:17 AM.
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