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  1. #1381

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    Ok, i've decided to go ahead and place the order for this charger from HKE. Dammit this charger probably would of been shipped already lol.

  2. #1382

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarioJP View Post
    From Gear best huh lol
    Received mine from GearBest. Packaged well and shipped promptly, along with tracking.

    Here's some tips for ordering from GearBest:
    If you want packages quicker, don't order loose lithium batteries at the same time.
    For the order(s) without lithium batteries, select the next faster shipping than the free one AND add shipping insurance if the order amount is significant enough to you.
    For the loose lithium cells, unless you're ordering a bunch and the total cost would be enough to get you riled if lost, don't add insurance.

    Out of 9 orders in the past few months, I've received all but two of them; one is pending shipment and one is in transit. I'd say that's pretty darned good luck from them.

  3. #1383

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    Quote Originally Posted by clintb View Post
    Received mine from GearBest. Packaged well and shipped promptly, along with tracking.

    Here's some tips for ordering from GearBest:
    If you want packages quicker, don't order loose lithium batteries at the same time.
    For the order(s) without lithium batteries, select the next faster shipping than the free one AND add shipping insurance if the order amount is significant enough to you.
    For the loose lithium cells, unless you're ordering a bunch and the total cost would be enough to get you riled if lost, don't add insurance.

    Out of 9 orders in the past few months, I've received all but two of them; one is pending shipment and one is in transit. I'd say that's pretty darned good luck from them.
    Hke is a little bit more expensive and does not include the 1xAA flashlight with the order. I'll take your word for it, and gonna bite the bullet and go for it (for real and this is final) I am definitely going to add shipping insurance. and also made sure that i selected US version. never seen options when it comes to plugs. as for the cells. I'll will get them at Amazon. Plus, the Panasonic cells (NCR18650B) reviews are very good

    There, It is done! the indecisive madness which dealer to get the charger from is over! with shipping insurance added. I have never shop international before. Now is crossing my fingers and hoping all goes smoothly from here on out! lol.
    Last edited by MarioJP; 12-21-2015 at 08:46 PM. Reason: Update

  4. #1384

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    Quote Originally Posted by kreisl View Post
    Hehehe

    HKJ has announced on another forum that he is going to publish ~tomorrow the longest charger review to date of an advanced charger.

    Wondering what that could be
    ...juuuuuust in time for me getting my charger delivered tomorrow

  5. #1385

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    Now it saying.. Stock on Jan 10. I hope i got the last one. that will be quite of wait if i didn't.

  6. #1386

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    Quote Originally Posted by hey_tommy View Post
    ...juuuuuust in time for me getting my charger delivered tomorrow
    Review from HKJ - http://forum.fonarevka.ru/showthread.php?t=30465
    Heh, sorry, not actual as already posted on CPF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verdum View Post

    You do not have to go that far to find the review: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...r-SkyRC-MC3000

    My charger reviews are usual published in four places: Here, fonarevka, blf and my website. On my website it is no possible to ask or discuss anything, it has to be done on one of the forums.
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  8. #1388

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    If I choose refresh mode and chose a capacity limit and the limit is reached it sayes "capacity cut" and stops. Shouldn΄t the program move on and discharge from there then charge and finnish the program with the capacity limit?

    Edit: Talking about small NiMh in this case thats get to hot with higher current and never stops charging on lower current with limit off.
    Last edited by Zanders; 12-22-2015 at 07:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanders View Post
    If I choose refresh mode and chose a capacity limit and the limit is reached it sayes "capacity cut" and stops. Shouldn΄t the program move on and discharge from there then charge and finnish the program with the capacity limit?
    I think the charger sees the capacity setting as a user defined failsafe. That's why the program stops when it reaches the "capacity cut" limit.

    In theory I suppose the charger could be set to continue with the next phase of the program. SkyRC could address this with a FW update if they want to.

    Edit: Talking about small NiMh in this case thats get to hot with higher current and never stops charging on lower current with limit off.
    If you're using a lower current and worried that the battery never stops charging, perhaps try setting the delta peak at 0dV. That might help it stop.
    Last edited by JB; 12-22-2015 at 09:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
    I think the charger sees the capacity setting as a user defined failsafe. That's why the program stops when it reaches the "capacity cut" limit.

    In theory I suppose the charger could be set to continue with the next phase of the program. SkyRC could address this with a FW update if they want to.



    If you're using a lower current and worried that the battery never stops charging, perhaps try setting the delta peak at 0dV. That might help it stop.
    Maybe it΄s a bug, don΄t know. Kreisl can look at it and report it if it΄s a bug, same thing in cycle mood.

  11. #1391

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanders View Post
    Hey, your missing the point here, we trying to learn how to manage this beast and all the capabilities from small to large batteries, old and new :-)
    Okι i let you win.

    Seriously, the default NiMH charge termination method is -dV or 0dV. 0dV setting worked fine with my bad health small NiMH's. Sure they got warm. Maha would simply refuse to charge them, very clever lol. If your small cell has about 200mAh and high resistance, then how about 0.06A charge rate (=0.3C) in PROGRAM[22]? Sounds like a legit experiment hh.
    Last edited by kreisl; 12-22-2015 at 01:17 PM.

  12. #1392

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    Quote Originally Posted by kreisl View Post
    JB was 100% right, so i didn't comment.

    No it is not a bug, even if that fw behavior may seem illogical to you or you'd prefer continuation of the program. I don't know what your 'small Nimh' battery is. If the cell is in bad health or has high resistance or else, any charger may have difficulty with it. In such a case, you could create a PROGRAM[22] which tries to mimic mh9k behavior: for the Charge routine, choose charge to 1.47V target (at any conveniently low charge rate to keep the Nimh cool) and trickle charge set to 100mA and C.RESTING set to 120min. Same for the cycle mood.

    Done.
    Ok, no problem :-) The battery in this experiment was a 200mAh NiMh from a garden solar light.

  13. #1393

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanders View Post
    Its the same with bigger batteries to if charge them slowly.
    As you quoted me, try PROGRAM[22] on them too
    Last edited by kreisl; 12-22-2015 at 12:32 PM.

  14. #1394

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    Quote Originally Posted by kreisl View Post
    I'll make sure that in the next fw upgrade your garden battery will be rejected with SO POOR message
    Its the same with bigger batteries to if charge them slowly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kreisl View Post
    200mAh or 2000mAh? 200mAh is very small Nimh. I would just toss it. lol
    Hey, your missing the point here, we trying to learn how to manage this beast and all the capabilities from small to large batteries, old and new :-)

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    Hi Kreisl.
    Sometimes I had a strange behavior with iPhone app.

    when I connect with charger (it is already on-operation, started using its own keys), often I see this:



    but the charger currently is doing this:




    I ask your attention not on data shown (these pictures are taken in different moments), but on the slots that the app shows as not empty,
    when are actually empty.

    If I power_cycle the charger, and reconnect iPhone with charger, all returns OK.

  17. #1397

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    Most of you are lucky to have this charger early. Now it says "back order" lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarioJP View Post
    Most of you are lucky to have this charger early. Now it says "back order" lol.
    You can just buy it with another plug and then supply your own mains cable.
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    Default Re: SkyRC — IFA 2014 / CES 2016 — MC3000 charger-analyzer

    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    You can just buy it with another plug and then supply your own mains cable.
    Might help to say what type of plug, is it the common computer IEC C13/C14?
    Last edited by Gauss163; 12-22-2015 at 04:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauss163 View Post
    Might help to say what type of plug, is it the common computer IEC C13/C14?
    It is C7/C8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauss163 View Post
    Might help to say what type of plug, is it the common computer IEC C13/C14?
    Well, too late now. Order already submitted. So not only do i have to wait until jan 10 to be in stock. Wait even more by the time they dispatch my order. Sure picked a bad time to order.

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    Default Re: SkyRC — IFA 2014 / CES 2016 — MC3000 charger-analyzer

    Quote Originally Posted by MarioJP View Post
    Well, too late now. Order already submitted. So not only do i have to wait until jan 10 to be in stock. Wait even more by the time they dispatch my order. Sure picked a bad time to order.
    Don't feel bad.

    I was probably the first on CPF to buy the new Xtar VP2 charger a couple of years back and mine was promptly recalled due to a brittle plastic formula used in the housing.

    By the time I got my replacement unit in, everybody and their grandmother was using their new VP2s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kreisl View Post
    I am noticing that the firmware update function (in PCLS) has stopped working under WinXP. Turns out that sky has pulled the fw binary from the update server for the time being. According to user reports the updating procedure didn't seem safe or reliable on Win10, Win10 in Win7 compatibility modus, or even Win7 itself. Some users under Win7, Win8, Win10 managed somehow to come through, but few others failed and ended up with a bricked charger.



    I am guessing that some of the broken units could be salvaged by a company engineer thru a hard reset (or similar) procedure, for which the device may need to be disassembled and then connected to a bootstrap loader or sum ting. But i don't know the exact procedure because it is not documented in the manual and i wouldn't understand it if someone showed it to me.

    Since the binary is gone, no harm can be inflicted by employing PCLS purely as logger. While the binary is gone, i am sure that peeps are working on a revised PCLS version.
    Probably bricked chargers can be reprogrammed by mounting the J1 internal connector (see in this photo, left side) and using ST programmer like this. We need also the binary firmware image to be loaded.

  24. #1404

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    Quote Originally Posted by kappa7 View Post
    Probably bricked chargers can be reprogrammed by mounting the J1 internal connector (see in this photo, left side) and using ST programmer like this. We need also the binary firmware image to be loaded.
    Afaik Sky is able to send out some file and instructions for a first attempt of emergency rescue, called hard reset. For the hard reset no disassembly is needed but you'd still need a lower WinOS like WinXP-SP3 for the procedure

    It is also clear why the hard reset procedure is not documented in the manual. Because it involves special files which are not meant for public availability.

    Whoever bricked his/her charger should contact Sky asap and ask for help. If lucky, the hard reset will salvage the device. But as mentioned, it is unsafe to perform it under the unsupported systems (Win10, etc).

    Good luck and please report back if the procedure has helped.

    EDIT: actually .. the hard reset will NOT work these days lol because it too does involve firmware download from Sky server, but Sky has deleted the binary on Monday so that nobody can brick their device anymore even under Win10. It's a temporary deletion. Of course the binary will be back online in near future.
    Last edited by kreisl; 12-23-2015 at 04:00 AM.

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    Dear All,

    Finally I got mine MC3000

    I have several questions:
    1. How to use DEX (DataExplorer) to monitor data?
    2. What is the latest firmware? I have 1.02 and pressing update firmware button shows me "unable to download from internet" message. Is it OK?
    3. How to Fix Bluetooth connection - I use Android phone. MC3000 application started and than displays "unable to get monitoring data. please restart application"

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    The new free GNU DEX version is out, it supports now MC3000!! Check out download version 3.2.4 from Dec 22.


    GNU DataExplorer - News - comes with version 3.2.4 - 22 Dec 2015

    1) add support for native USB communication
    2) add support for SkyRC MC3000 single cell charger
    3) JetiAdapter - increase number of initial supported measurements to 50
    4) iCharger - implemented checksum checking for serial communication
    5) JetiAdapter - add Rx->Tx time delta statistics (not differentiating over sensors)
    6) JetiAdapter - fix intermittent find best fit of time step which end up in less display points
    7) JetiAdapter - fix inconsistent detection of Speed record which leads to unusable color configuration while Google Earth KMZ export.
    8) HoTTAdapterX - HoTT V2 enable data visualization for external voltage and temperature
    9) implement feature request to edit single cell in table
    10) fix problem while measuring due to missing scale end value synchronization when scale synchronized measurement visibility toggled
    11) fix problem while GPS coordinates are available, but speed record ordinal can not be identified
    12) fix CSV export Time unit to [hh:mm:ss.SSS]
    13) fix font size dialog while using high resolution
    14) swt update to version 4.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julian Holtz View Post
    But I have to say, I'm quite pissed right now. Reason is that the charger apparently does not meet the neccessary specifications for a trouble-free import. I just came back from the customs office, and they told me that the CE mark and a variety of other neccessary compliances are missing. They must be imprinted in a non-removable way on the charger, especially as a radio frequency device (blutooth) is built in. Now I have to wait until monday for a specialist to look at things, and worst case is that it is sent to the "Bundesnetzagentur" (Federal Network Agency), the german frequency GeStaPo. Someone with a direct contact to SkyRc should tell them that a lot of EU customers are in for a nasty surprise if they don't meet the regulations.
    A nameplate (which the charger is missing altogether) congruent with the regulations should look like this:

    http://www.planet3dnow.de/photoplog/...1_corsair8.jpg

    http://www.exp-tech.de/media/catalog...6label_lrg.jpg
    So I called again today. The German Federal Network Agency was involved in my case, and it found the MC3000 was non-compliant with EU regulations. The options are now that the charger is either destroyed by the customs authority, or shipped back to the sender. Fortunatelly, both options are free of charge for me. So I guess HK Equipment will deal with it in February or so considering the Chinese New Year Holidays and stuff.
    Thank you very much, SkyRC, for trying to sell us non-compliant equipment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julian Holtz View Post
    So I called again today. The German Federal Network Agency was involved in my case, and it found the MC3000 was non-compliant with EU regulations. The options are now that the charger is either destroyed by the customs authority, or shipped back to the sender. Fortunatelly, both options are free of charge for me. So I guess HK Equipment will deal with it in February or so considering the Chinese New Year Holidays and stuff.
    Thank you very much, SkyRC, for trying to sell us non-compliant equipment.
    How was this overlooked?. Clearly that is the first thing on the list on any product, unless EU is really that strict. Wow this really sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarioJP View Post
    How was this overlooked?. Clearly that is the first thing on the list on any product, unless EU is really that strict. Wow this really sucks.
    Germany customs do more to enforce CE regulations than customs in other countries. We are not told why it did not comply with the regulations, my guess would be due to a missing CE sticker on the charger (I doubt they have done any actual testing).
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    So far I have heard multiple reasons. One is the missing CE sticker, another is that the very name of the device (MC3000) is nowhere to be seen on the case, therefore one cannot veryfy if the device is really an MC3000 which might be compliant. The company name (SkyRC) on it is not enough.
    Last is that the regulations with which is compliant must be imprinted on the case.
    Everyone have a look at the bottom side of your mouse or keyboard. I have found complinace information and nameplates on both of mine, and also on the wifi cards and the removable CD drive of my laptop. In short, every random piece of electronics I found at an arm's reach on my desk is compliant in so far as it has the necessary information imprinted on it.
    Why does SkyRC not know that this is mandatory?
    Or, why do they label some chargers correctly and some not?
    This one apparently has a nameplate and CE and FCC markings:
    http://thebarnfloor.com/catalog/prod...pg&w=800&h=600
    Last edited by Julian Holtz; 12-23-2015 at 10:25 AM.
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