Installing Phillips Daylight 8 LED DLRs in a 2000 Buick Century.
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Alaric Darconville
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Re: Will keep the OEM DLRs (Re: Phillips Daylight 8 LED DLRs in a 2000 Buick Century.
That long of a distance probably is meaningless in the terms of accident prevention. You're just adding glare (and yes, even in the daytime, glare is an important issue to consider).
The scheme here seems to be to second-guess the intent of the designers, and the function of the factory lamps. If the Philips LEDs are mounted properly, they will be able to perform the DRL function by themselves.
That long of a distance probably is meaningless in the terms of accident prevention. You're just adding glare (and yes, even in the daytime, glare is an important issue to consider).
They're effective for the distances that they are designed for.
The scheme here seems to be to second-guess the intent of the designers, and the function of the factory lamps. If the Philips LEDs are mounted properly, they will be able to perform the DRL function by themselves.
Alaric Darconville
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Re: Technology does advance (Re: Phillips Daylight 8 LED DLRs in a 2000 Buick Centur
There are bad DRLs and good DRLs of various light sources that still meet the specifications.
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Results in lower maintenance (fewer bulb replacements)
Results in slightly higher fuel efficiency due to lower electrical loads
The type of light emitter doesn't enter the question. DRLs have specific maxima and minima at specific test points. How this is achieved is up to the designer.
There are bad DRLs and good DRLs of various light sources that still meet the specifications.
Their halogen or turn-signal based DRLs will perform the same function. There's also a point where the distance between the cars is great enough that the extra warning is unwarranted, even if it is appreciated, and again, this contributes to daytime glare.
Observing in the 'personal' sense, not in the scientific sense with actual measurements with actual test equipment. Perhaps your own expectations or apprehensions of the function and performance of the DRLs are out of alignment with the real function and performance.
These conditions exist in MANY places throughout the US.
Because it's:
Trendy
Results in lower maintenance (fewer bulb replacements)
Results in slightly higher fuel efficiency due to lower electrical loads
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Re: Will keep the OEM DLRs (Re: Phillips Daylight 8 LED DLRs in a 2000 Buick Century.
That's not actually true. Intensity is what determines visibility distance of the lamp. Not whether it's got an LED or an incandescent light source.
That is true, which kind of makes me wonder why you went to the expense and trouble of putting in another set of DRLs.
It just doesn't work the way you imagine. Also, you keep saying "DLR". That doesn't stand for anything. The abbreviation you mean is "DRL", which stands for Daytime Running Lamp (or Light).
That's not actually true. Intensity is what determines visibility distance of the lamp. Not whether it's got an LED or an incandescent light source.
That is true, which kind of makes me wonder why you went to the expense and trouble of putting in another set of DRLs.
It just doesn't work the way you imagine. Also, you keep saying "DLR". That doesn't stand for anything. The abbreviation you mean is "DRL", which stands for Daytime Running Lamp (or Light).
Re: Technology does advance (Re: Phillips Daylight 8 LED DLRs in a 2000 Buick Centur
I don't see any presumption. Neither the factory (steady-burning incandescent turn signal) DRLs nor the Philips DRLs you installed will produce a problematic level of glare, and you haven't created any real safety problem by installing a second set of DRLs, but neither have you necessarily improved the effective conspicuity of the car. In short, you aren't hurting anything, but probably also not helping anything.
Careful, there. We (human beings) are not good at accurately assessing how well we can/can't see. It's a limitation of the human machine's hardware and software. We are very good at being certain, but very bad at being right when we make judgment calls on matters like this.
This just is not the case. It's just not true.
No, it would only be verifiable by comparing the rate at which those cars are involved in DRL-relevant crashes in your region vs. other regions. Yours is not a verification, it's just a guess.
Polarized sunglasses have nothing to do with the performance of DRLs.
You don't mention where you are, but "tall trees and frequent patches of shade and sunlight" is not an uncommon or unusual environment to be driving in. It really looks like you are starting with guesses, stacking assumptions on top of them, and thereby arriving at conclusions that don't have any grounding in objective reality, but do align with your pre-existing desires and opinions. In this case, again, what you've done isn't going to cause a problem, but it's also not going to give you the extra safety you think you're getting, and that, in turn, can easily reduce your actual safety through unintentional risk compensation.
Don't do this again, please. It's against the rules.
I don't see any presumption. Neither the factory (steady-burning incandescent turn signal) DRLs nor the Philips DRLs you installed will produce a problematic level of glare, and you haven't created any real safety problem by installing a second set of DRLs, but neither have you necessarily improved the effective conspicuity of the car. In short, you aren't hurting anything, but probably also not helping anything.
Careful, there. We (human beings) are not good at accurately assessing how well we can/can't see. It's a limitation of the human machine's hardware and software. We are very good at being certain, but very bad at being right when we make judgment calls on matters like this.
This just is not the case. It's just not true.
No, it would only be verifiable by comparing the rate at which those cars are involved in DRL-relevant crashes in your region vs. other regions. Yours is not a verification, it's just a guess.
Polarized sunglasses have nothing to do with the performance of DRLs.
You don't mention where you are, but "tall trees and frequent patches of shade and sunlight" is not an uncommon or unusual environment to be driving in. It really looks like you are starting with guesses, stacking assumptions on top of them, and thereby arriving at conclusions that don't have any grounding in objective reality, but do align with your pre-existing desires and opinions. In this case, again, what you've done isn't going to cause a problem, but it's also not going to give you the extra safety you think you're getting, and that, in turn, can easily reduce your actual safety through unintentional risk compensation.
Don't do this again, please. It's against the rules.
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You guys might get better results by using a gentler approach and educating folks on what reality is, vs. tag-teaming the poor newcomers, picking apart their posts and telling them point by point just how wrong they are. More flies with honey than vinegar and all that.
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OP has deleted his posts, and it is his thread. So closing it.
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