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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    All are activate all the time, but usual it will stop on 3) or 4), depending on battery type.
    2) and 5) are only used when 3) and 4) fails

    This charging works for all NiMH batteries.
    Quote Originally Posted by 5S8Zh5 View Post
    Thanks for the welcome, and info

    Just to add some follow up to my post, I had some old Ni-Cd cells lying around ( 800 mAh) that I took an optimistic chance and threw on the sanyo charger, keeping a cautious eye on them (checking temps by hand every 10 mins). The charger auto switched off in around 35-40 min (for 4 cells, which seemed reasonable), without them warming up noticeably (I'm not sure what detection method would have been used here).
    Since I'd read unconfirmed reports on Ni-Mh chargers possibly overcharging/heating Ni-Cd cells beyond capacity, and spoiling cells/charger/both, just want to report that it seemed to work fine with this particular charger, but please use this info at your own risk .

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    Quote Originally Posted by noobcell View Post
    Thanks for the welcome, and info

    Just to add some follow up to my post, I had some old Ni-Cd cells lying around ( 800 mAh) that I took an optimistic chance and threw on the sanyo charger, keeping a cautious eye on them (checking temps by hand every 10 mins). The charger auto switched off in around 35-40 min (for 4 cells, which seemed reasonable), without them warming up noticeably (I'm not sure what detection method would have been used here).
    Since I'd read unconfirmed reports on Ni-Mh chargers possibly overcharging/heating Ni-Cd cells beyond capacity, and spoiling cells/charger/both, just want to report that it seemed to work fine with this particular charger, but please use this info at your own risk .

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    Hello Noobcell,

    Welcome to CPF.

    Going back to your first post it looks like that charger uses minus delta voltage to detect the end of charge. If no signal is observed it has a back up termination of peak voltage and a final back up of time.

    You have the caution of using a NiMh charger to charge NiCd cells backward. The issue is that the NiCd cell may end up under charged. The reason is that NiCd cells user a higher -dV end of charge value. If you charge a NiMh cell with a NiCd charger you will end up slightly overcharging the NiMh cell but studies have shown that it doesn't have much of an effect on the NiMh longevity.

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    I am new to eneloops, I avoided recharegable for a long time because of short run times, and self discharge issues.
    Smeone recommended getting some loops for a flashlight. Then it is like the other gadgets with alkaline got mysteriously sick and they all started leaking. In 3 months, 6 different gadgets have leaked. Not including my sons toys..
    so..
    researched it .. Eneloops are the way to go.. No leaks, decent performance (better with pro/xx) and LSD! Woot.

    That said, my first loop buy I was under informed in generations, cycles etc... I bought some ?Gen Sanyo eneloops with a Sanyo NC-MQN06U 4xaa/aaa charger. Battery made in Japan, charger in China. Charges 2 or 4 batteries, not singles. Batteries: 1000 recharge cycle, 85% charge after one year. 2000mAh. (1900)min
    there is no year or date of manufacturer on the packaging. The white lifted plastic is not easy to read on the charger.


    I was a bit frustrated at the ignorant purchase and tossed the sanyo pack in the parts bin. then went and bought aa 4 th gen Panasonic eneloops w/cc17 something. Happy with it from what I read.

    When I opened the Sanyo loops and they were not lighting up a headlamp on low. After leaving them in the original charger over night, there have no issues with the head lamp, the San loops, still on first charge cycle.

    I try to keep packaging and paperwork because I am a geek. And I like referencing without Internet. But sometimes my son, wife or dogs decide to do something else with packaging.

    Thinking about investing in a MH-c9000 charger/analyzer. But funding is pending for now. So research ...

    i read the c9000 discharges, recharges, reads, rinses, repeats, and tells you how looped your eneloops are. Sounds grea


    The cc17 doesn't discharge/prime, read voltage or do laundry. But is it good enough?

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    Hello HandyJoeMann,

    By all accounts the BQ-CC17 is a great charger. It is not an analyzer, but it is all the charger you need.

    If you want to get into analyzing and more, the MH-C9000 is excellent.

    Best wishes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyJoeMann View Post
    I am new to eneloops, I avoided recharegable for a long time because of short run times, and self discharge issues.
    Smeone recommended getting some loops for a flashlight. Then it is like the other gadgets with alkaline got mysteriously sick and they all started leaking. In 3 months, 6 different gadgets have leaked. Not including my sons toys..
    so..
    researched it .. Eneloops are the way to go.. No leaks, decent performance (better with pro/xx) and LSD! Woot.

    That said, my first loop buy I was under informed in generations, cycles etc... I bought some ?Gen Sanyo eneloops with a Sanyo NC-MQN06U 4xaa/aaa charger. Battery made in Japan, charger in China. Charges 2 or 4 batteries, not singles. Batteries: 1000 recharge cycle, 85% charge after one year. 2000mAh. (1900)min
    there is no year or date of manufacturer on the packaging. The white lifted plastic is not easy to read on the charger.


    I was a bit frustrated at the ignorant purchase and tossed the sanyo pack in the parts bin. then went and bought aa 4 th gen Panasonic eneloops w/cc17 something. Happy with it from what I read.

    When I opened the Sanyo loops and they were not lighting up a headlamp on low. After leaving them in the original charger over night, there have no issues with the head lamp, the San loops, still on first charge cycle.

    I try to keep packaging and paperwork because I am a geek. And I like referencing without Internet. But sometimes my son, wife or dogs decide to do something else with packaging.

    Thinking about investing in a MH-c9000 charger/analyzer. But funding is pending for now. So research ...

    i read the c9000 discharges, recharges, reads, rinses, repeats, and tells you how looped your eneloops are. Sounds grea


    The cc17 doesn't discharge/prime, read voltage or do laundry. But is it good enough?

    HJM
    You may want to slow down a bit and just use the cc17 for now. You don't want to throw away a good charger such as the MH-c9000 or the CC17 if you are struggling with it. The CPF can help you out along the way and if you find using NiMHs such as Eneloops work for you, you can move to the next step but for now you'll have to find out what batteries work best for your devices. The CC17 works great and should be fine while you get accustomed to using rechargeables.

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    it has been an exhausting search for the benifits, drawbacks and risk factors of using lithium-ion or Ni-Mh. and which chargers are best.
    the olight S15 is the only light in my possession that can take a lithium ion, ill stick to eneloops for now, two work fine.

    thanks for the information. il wait to get the MH-C9000 on sale and grab one then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyJoeMann View Post
    thanks for the information. il wait to get the MH-C9000 on sale and grab one then.
    I hope I helped!

    As an aside, I liked my C9000 so much that I ordered a second one within a week of starting to use it, ha ha ha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grijon View Post
    I hope I helped!

    As an aside, I liked my C9000 so much that I ordered a second one within a week of starting to use it, ha ha ha!
    once upon a time I could buy all the extra little things my heart desired. Now I have to calculate and research every purchase. (not that i mind the results)
    Get it while you CAN!
    I found a MH-C9000 on Kijiji.ca for $50 CAD + shipp person is also offering powerex aa batteries, $2.50 CAD each. THE CAD is at low time for AMerican SHOPPERS! knudge knudge..

    ps yes you helped grijon
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    $50 CAD for a used one is "ok".

    Newegg.ca $57
    Newegg.com $50

    Ham Radio Outlet (in the U.S.) has the C9000 new for $39 at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyJoeMann View Post
    I was a bit frustrated at the ignorant purchase and tossed the sanyo pack in the parts bin. then went and bought aa 4 th gen Panasonic eneloops w/cc17 something. Happy with it from what I read.
    There's nothing wrong with 1st gen eneloops. I've got a load of 'em, and they're all great batteries. I have a few AAA's that have lost some capacity, but in 5 or 6 years I haven't had to throw out a single cell yet, and I've probably got over a hundred by now.

    I don't like the pairs chargers. I have too many devices that use 1 or 3 cells, so that is a fair complaint about the first charger (but it can still be useful). I don't know about the BQ-CC17, but if can do individual charging, then you're set for the basics and have what you need, although a c9000 is still a wonderful improvement. You don't need one from the beginning, but they are handy to have once the cells begin to age. It is nice to have a test that tells you for sure what a cell's capacity is, instead of just wondering if a particular cell is losing capacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UserName View Post
    I don't like the pairs chargers. I have too many devices that use 1 or 3 cells, so that is a fair complaint about the first charger (but it can still be useful). I don't know about the BQ-CC17, but if can do individual charging, then you're set for the basics and have what you need, although a c9000 is still a wonderful improvement. You don't need one from the beginning, but they are handy to have once the cells begin to age. It is nice to have a test that tells you for sure what a cell's capacity is, instead of just wondering if a particular cell is losing capacity.
    I agree.
    This is pretty much what the plan logic'd itself to be. I have less than 20 eneloops right now. So I wait.

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    Good thread. I was considering the C9000 for some Eneloops I just ordered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palantas View Post
    Good thread. I was considering the C9000 for some Eneloops I just ordered.
    Good choice. You can't go wrong with a c9000.

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    hi guys, new here. i have a couple fenix flashlights myself and have started venturing into rechargeable batteries. damn this is addicting.

    i recently ordered an XTAR VC4 since it can recharge both Li-ion and Ni-MH batteries. i know it's relatively new but would this be a good charger for eneloops? (sorry if this question is dumb).

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    Hello, a newbie here. I purchased 8 Eneloop Pro AA's and a CC-17 charger last fall. Trusting as I am, I never checked the voltage on the batteries until yesterday. They ranged from 2.37 volts to 1.73, after about 6 hours in the charger. Am I correct to assume that I have a bad charger? If so, I'm a little hesitant to simply replace it with a similar one, and would like a recommendation for something more reliable. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Brewer View Post
    Hello, a newbie here. I purchased 8 Eneloop Pro AA's and a CC-17 charger last fall. Trusting as I am, I never checked the voltage on the batteries until yesterday. They ranged from 2.37 volts to 1.73, after about 6 hours in the charger. Am I correct to assume that I have a bad charger? If so, I'm a little hesitant to simply replace it with a similar one, and would like a recommendation for something more reliable. Thanks.
    I don't see how you get voltages that high in a NiMH chemistry. They would surely vent long before they got anywhere near those voltages. The maximum you should be able to charge a NiMH cell to is about 1.6v.

    Your charger could be bad, or the batteries. Certainly something is seriously wrong if those are really the true voltages of the Eneloops. However, I suspect your multimeter may be broken, or need a new battery itself. If you're sure your multimeter is working and you've measured the voltages of the individual cells correctly, then throw out the charger, and throw out the Eneloops because they've been ruined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkIntoTheLight View Post
    I don't see how you get voltages that high in a NiMH chemistry... However, I suspect your multimeter may be broken, or need a new battery itself...
    +1

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    I bought an Opus 3400 a few weeks ago and wish I had spent the extra money in the first place. I started with the charger that came with eneloops(worked fine. Then moved to lacross 1000(great unit) then but the nitecore digital(great unit as well), and finally ,when I got serious about 18650's, the Opus. The Opus will charge anything, with more power than the nitecore, and It will discharge and test (mah) and test internal resistance. for ~$60. It's a no brainer. I've used it with 18650(lots), Cr123, AA, AAA. and its worked flawlessly and it matches my fluke. I like the mah test feature for older/unknown stuff. Of course I wouldn't try bringing back 18650's from the dead, but thats another thread.

    I would normally say buy once cry once, but the Opus wasn't around 4 years ago.The lacross is great for aa/aaa, plus it does discharge/test , but its the same price as the Opus??.

    The nitecore D4 is great as well, it will do any battery, but no discharge/test.

    So unless you get into some $$$ hobby charger I don't see an alternative for the $ other than Opus 3400

    My two cents

    good luck
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    Default Sanyo chargers

    Before the Panasonic rebranding/acquisition, Sanyo sold many different models of chargers. Several of which were designed specifically for eneloop cells.
    Interestingly, not all chargers were available in each major market region.

    This chart only covers the chargers most relevant to eneloops. The charger numbers listed are the charger themselves. Many chargers were not available by themselves and were sold as sets with batteries. The charger sets usually had different product numbers.

    Charge times listed are for regular eneloop and eneloop plus only, Lite, XX or Pro charging rates/times are not listed to keep this already huge list simplified. For full reference on Japanese market chargers, click here

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    Sanyo chargers are not approved/recommended by Panasonic for use with Evolta cells. Panasonic approves/recommends the Panasonic chargers for Evoltas. The newest Panasonic chargers (since 2013) are approved/recommended for both Eneloop and Evoltas. See original post of this thread for the Panasonic list or here (Japanese only).

    Japan # NC-M38 NC-M58 NC-MR58 NC-MR57 NC-M70*4 - - - NC-M60 - - - NC-MDR02 - - - - NC-TG1 - - NC-MDU01 NC-SC1 NC-TGC01 NC-TGL01 NC-TGN01 NC-TGR01 NC-TGR02 NC-TGR03 NC-TGU01 - - - ENL-Y1 KIR-SL1 KIR-SL2 NC-E1A NC-WL01
    (QE-CV201)
    Export # - NC-MQR02 - NC-MQR03 NC-MQS01*4 NC-MQS02*4 NC-MQS03*4 NC-MQS04*4 NC-MQH01 NC-MQH02 NC-MQH03 NC-MDR01 NC-MDR02 NC-MDR03 NC-MQN01 NC-MQN02 NC-MQN03 NC-MQN04 NC-MQN05 NC-MQN06 NC-TDR02 NC-MDU01 - NC-MQN09 BC-MQN10A - NC-MQR06 - NC-TGU01W SYNC-N01*5 SYNC-S01*5 SYNC-LS01*5 - - KIR-SL2 NC-E1A
    Eneloop Generation 1 1 1 - - - - - - 1 1 1 1 1 - - 1 1,2,3 1 1,2,3 2 & 3 1,2,3 1 & 2 2 & 3 2 & 3 2 & 3 2 & 3 2 & 3 2 & 3 1,2,3 2 2 2 Eneloop Universe Eneloop Universe Eneloop Universe Eneloop
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    Battery fitment 4 cells 4 cells 4 cells 4 cells 4 cells 4 cells 4 cells 4 cells 4 cells 4 cells 4 cells 2 cells 2 cells 2 cells 4 cells 4 cells 4 cells 4 cells*3 4 cells 4 cells 2 cells 2 cells 4 cells 4 cells 4 cells*3 4 cells 4 cells 2 cells 4 cells 8 cells +
    4 cells
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    4 cells 4 cells 4 cells 2 cells 2 cells 2 cells 2 cells 2 cells
    AAA 2-4 1-2 1-2 1-2 1-4 1-2 1-2 1-4 1-2 1-2 1-4 1-2 1-2 1-2 2-4 2-4 2-4 2-4 1-4 2-4 - 1-2 1-4 2-4 2-4 1-4 1-4 1-2 1-4 1-8 2-4 1-4 1-4 - - - - 1-2
    AA 2-4 1-4 1-4 1-4 1-4 1-4 1-4 1-4 1-4 1-4 1-4 1-2 1-2 1-2 2-4 2-4 2-4 2-4 1-4 2-4 1-2 1-2 1-4 2-4 2-4 1-4 1-4 1-2 1-4 1-8 2-4 1-4 1-4 2 2 2 1-2 1-2
    C - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1-4 - - - - - - - -
    D - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1-4 - - - - - - - -
    Smart charge -(timer) Smart Smart + Refresh + Tester Smart + Refresh Smart Smart Smart Smart Smart Smart Smart Smart Smart Smart -(timer) -(timer) -(timer) -(timer) Smart -(timer) Smart Smart Smart Semi-smart -(timer) Smart Smart Smart Smart + Refresh + Tester Smart -(timer) Smart Smart + Refresh Unknown Smart? Smart? Smart Smart
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    Fast charge*2 1-2 AA - 100 min 100 min 100 min - ~12 min ~12min - 64 min 60 min 60 min - - - - - - - - - - 140 min
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    150 min - - 210 min 75 min (1 cell)
    110 min (2 cells)
    - 100 min 240 min
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    - - - 12h
    (not in use)
    4.5h (AC adapter) 4.5h
    (AC adapter charger)
    140 min -
    normal charge AA 12h 220 min 220 min 220 min ~30 min ~30 min ~30 min ~12 min 140 min 130 min 120 min 230 min 230 min 250 min 8.5h 13h 17.5h 10h 420 min 420 min 230 min 280 min 300 min 420 min 420 min 420 min 220 min 230 min 220 min 480 min 300 min 300 min 300 min 24h (while in use) - 12h (USB charger) 280 min 180 min
    Fast charge*2 1-2 AAA - - - - - - - - 65 min 70 min 60 min - - - - - - - - - - 60 min
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    75 min - - 180 min 65 min (1 cell)
    100 min (2 cells)
    - - 90 min
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    normal charge AAA 8.5h 155 min 155 min 155 min ~60 min ~30 min ~30 min ~13 min - - 120 min 135 min 135 min 170 min 5.5h 8h 8h 8h 360 min 360 min - 120 min 150 min 360 min 360 min 360 min 200 min 135 min 155 min 180 min 240 min 240 min 240 min - - - - 70 min
    normal charge C - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 270 min - - - - - - - -
    normal charge D - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 510 min - - - - - - - -
    Charge Rate
    Fast charge*2 1-2 AA - 1275mA 1275mA 1275mA - 20000mA 20000mA - unknown 2140mA 2000mA - - - - - - - - - - 850mA x 1 900mA - - 600mA 1680mA x 1
    1120mA x 2
    - 1275mA 560mA - - - 160mA? 460mA? 460mA? 850mA x1 -
    normal charge AA 160mA 565mA 565mA 565mA 5700mA 10000mA 10000mA 8300mA unknown 1090mA 1000mA 550mA 550mA 600mA 240mA 180-270mA 120mA 250mA 300mA 300mA 550mA 450mA 450mA 300mA 300mA 300mA 560mA 550mA 565mA 280mA 450mA 450mA 450mA 80mA? - 160mA? 450mA 680mA
    Fast charge*2 1-2 AAA - - - - - - - - unknown 700mA 800mA - - - - - - - - - - 850mA x 1 900mA - - 300mA 840mA x 1
    560mA x 2
    - - 560mA - - - - - - - -
    normal charge AAA 100mA 310mA 310mA 310mA 900mA 7500mA 7500mA 3500mA unknown - 400mA 380mA 380mA 380mA 130mA 100-180mA 120mA 120mA 150mA 150mA - 450mA 450mA 150mA 150mA 150mA 280mA 380mA 310mA 280mA 250mA 250mA 250mA - - - 680mA
    normal charge C/D - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 784mA - - - - - - - -
    Voltage 100 100-240 100-240 100-240 100-240 (8-15VDC) 100-240
    (12VDC)
    100-240
    (12VDC)
    100-240 (12-16VDC) 100-240 100-240 100-240 100-240 100-240 100-240 100-240 240 240 240 100-120 100-240 100-240 5VDC 5.3VDC 100-240 100-240 100-120 100-240 100-240 100-240 100-240 (5.5VDC) 110-240 110-240 110-240 100
    (5VDC)
    100-240
    (3.5VDC)
    100-240 (5VDC) 5VDC Inductive
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    Asia
    Japan Asia
    US/Canada
    Japan
    Asia
    Europe
    Asia
    Europe
    Asia
    Europe
    Asia
    Europe
    Japan
    Asia
    Asia
    US/Canada
    Asia
    Canada
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    Europe
    Asia Asia Asia
    Europe
    Asia
    Europe
    Japan
    US/Canada
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    Japan Japan
    Asia
    Europe
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    *1 NC-TGU01 is a multi battery charger, AA cells can be charged at the 784mA rate unofficially using the C cell charging banks. There is no 9V charging capability as there still isn't a 9V Eneloop battery. For 9V charging, use its replacement charger model: Panasonic BQ-CC25.
    *2 Fast charging can only be done with 1 to 2 cells. and not with 3 or 4 at the same time.
    *3 timer based charger intended especially for eneloop Lite, therefore its not recommended to use with standard eneloops.
    *4 Although the 15-30 minute chargers from Sanyo feature active cooling fans, they are still not recommended to use them due to diminished cell life and far exceeds Sanyo/FDK/Fujitsu's maximum 1C charging rate. Use at your own risk! Best for "emergency" ultra quick charge only!
    *5 the Taiwan market chargers were not made by Sanyo and was sold by the local distributor. They are poorly constructed chargers and safety defects had been encountered. They are now sold under the "Sanlux" brand by the same distributor. Use at your own risk!

    Every effort has been made to ensure accuracy, although no guarantees of accuracy are provided nor can be assumed. Please correct or contribute if information incorrect/missing.
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    How is this setup for a rechargeable newbie who is satisfied with "good enough but not the best"? The price is certainly right.

    http://www.amazon.ca/Panasonic-K-KJ1...ywords=eneloop

    Also, what about the Duracell 8000 charger?

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    it's a good charger, but it's SLOW
    You're better off spending your money on a BQ-CC16 or BQ-CC21... both have to be imported, but they're easily found on ebay/amazon as part of battery + charger sets

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kouryu View Post
    it's a good charger, but it's SLOW
    You're better off spending your money on a BQ-CC16 or BQ-CC21... both have to be imported, but they're easily found on ebay/amazon as part of battery + charger sets
    I'm not in a rush.

    If it's good, simple, and it's inexpensive (somewhat like myself) and it comes with 4xAA Eneloops for $25 on Amazon, it just might be my baby. The Duracell 8000 is available at all the stores here, but it's almost twice the price. And the Duracell comes with 2xAA and 2xAAA I don't really need the AAA.

    I appreciate the comment as to the quality of the charger. I'm always in need of emotional security with anything electric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treeguy View Post
    How is this setup for a rechargeable newbie who is satisfied with "good enough but not the best"? The price is certainly right.
    Yes, that's a great price (for Canada). I have the same charger (BQ-CC17) that comes with a Costco bundle, and I use that charger quite a bit. It's slow, but the nice thing is that it completely terminates charging when done, with no trickle-charging. Trickle-charging might be bad for LSD batteries like Eneloops, so I use the BQ-CC17 charger when I'm not in a rush and don't want to hang-around to remove the cells from my other chargers that use trickle-charging when complete.

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    It's a good charger and works fine if you don't have to charge a bunch of batteries at a time. Otherwise, waiting all day for them to finish charging before you charge another batch will make you want to get another of the same charger so you can use 2 chargers at the same time.

    Like I said, the BQ-CC16 and BQ-CC21 are much better... the BQ-CC21 is easier to get and cheaper to get from Japan than getting the BQ-CC16 from European and Asian countries... for $20-30 US, you can get the BQ-CC21.. depending on where and whether you got it as a "kit" with batteries

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    Default Re: Eneloops: what charger do I need? (info and discussion thead)

    I just use the C9000 if i need to charge Eneloops quickly. 2A actually does quite nicely with Eneloops for that charger and i have zero issues charging at 1A. Otherwise if i'm going to be gone or just need a quick travel charger, the BQ-CC17 does fine.. amazon has the BQ-CC21 but it's $100.
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    Actually, if you search "Eneloop forest" on Amazon, there's the Forest Tones limited edition set that shows up for about $32... You expect Amazon to show this when you search "BQ-CC21", but it doesn't... same with ebay, search the same way or "Eneloop limited" and the same kit shows up for about the same price
    Also, on ebay, if you search "BQ-CC21", you can buy just the charger alone for about $25

    Like I said... the price is pretty good and IMO, is a better deal than getting the BQ-CC17 + 4 batteries set

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    Oh cool thanks. Saved it for later, eventually i'll get it.. i got 2 BQ-CC17's, the BC1000 and C9000 so for now i don't need any more chargers, they come with a set of Eneloops or something?
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    Default Re: Eneloops: what charger do I need? (info and discussion thead)

    You can get just the BQ-CC21 charger (white only)... that's on ebay for $25 right now... the Forest tone sets I've mentioned comes with 4 forest tone cells along with a black BQ-CC21 charger... those "limited edition" kits have either AAA sets or AA sets, so you have to be careful when purchasing... they also have regular sets that come with the white charger of course, but they're harder to find... and finally, there's the eneloop pro kits that comes with the black charger (cheaper on ebay compared to amazon)

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    Thanks a lot for the list.

    would it be possible to add the Panasonic BQ CC xx chargers to the list as well?
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