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    Disassembly of some UltraFire batteries



    I wanted to check the construction of some more cheap batteries, this time it is 3 UltraFire batteries.



    UltraFire 6000mAh



    The specified capacity is not possible, but what does the battery contain?



    It looks real enough, this is the way a LiIon battery is made.



    Lets look a bit closer on the top of the battery.



    The plastic around the top is to isolate it from the can of the battery.



    The metal foil below the button top is the pressure vent, but it does not contain any mechanishm to break the connection when the battery vents.
    The button top is part of the top, not added later, this makes me suspect that this cell is special made for consumer useage and it is made very cheap without PTC and CID.



    But on the battery it says it has protection and that the circuit board (PCB) will last for 10 years (Not the cell).



    This type of protection is usual placed at the bottom of the cell, but there is no protection present here and as we saw above the top is also without protection.



    UltraFire 3000mAh B



    During my battery test this cell failed completely, why?



    It looks like this cell is better filled than the above cell.



    It looks like there is some more build into the top of this cell.



    On this cell the button top is added, i.e. it is probably a regular LiIon cell. The washer around the button top hides the real vent holes, but I expect that it will easily blow away if the cell vents.



    The pressure vent looks more complex.




    Here are the parts from the top, from left: Top with extra button top, PTC, CID, washer.
    There is an X in the CID, this is where it breaks if the cell vents and when the X opens it will break the connection.



    Between the two surfaces of the CID is a plastic washer (The white part).



    Here it say the battery has over current and short circuit protection, that is partely correct when it has a PTC



    And here it says it has a protection circuit, lets check the bottom.



    No trace of a protection circuit, but it looks like there is a metal plate on the bottom. Using a knife it can be removed.



    Looks like there is some corrosion on the bottom and 4 marks in a square. These marks shows that the cell is from a battery pack and with the corresion and a not working cell, it is probably from a used battery pack.



    UltraFire 3000mAh C



    I decided to do one more of the 3000mAh cells, it is from the same order as the one above.



    This cell looks like the above 3000mAh, but not completely, the washer has a different color and the wire from the cell roll also has a different color. I would expect this to be a completely different cell.



    The cell does not look new.



    It is again with a added button top.



    Here is a PTC and probably also a CID, but with another construction than the above cell.



    There is also the extra metal plate on the bottom, hiding the marks from usage in a battery pack.
    The battery do also looks corroded.



    Conclusion

    Both types of UltraFires are bad cells. The 6000mAh is made to be a cheap/fake cell for consumer usage with minimal protection, the 3000mAh cell is made from old battery pack cells and when you buy multiple cell they may be different, even if they have the same wrapper.



    Notes

    I bought the 3000mAh cells as a 4 pack from ebay dealer ezb4u
    I bought the 6000mAh cells as a 4 pack from ebay dealer yuancong2016

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    Default Re: Disassembly of some UltraFire batteries

    At the top of every battery web page on ebay, there should be a link to this post.

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    Default Re: Disassembly of some UltraFire batteries

    Hello HKJ,

    Thanks for this "revealing" information.

    I have made it a sticky so it doesn't fall off the front page of this section.

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    Most batteries don't die - they are tortured to near death, then murdered...

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    Default Re: Disassembly of some UltraFire batteries

    Quote Originally Posted by SilverFox View Post
    I have made it a sticky so it doesn't fall off the front page of this section.
    Thanks, a lot of people need the warning, cheap batteries is not only about money, but also about safety.
    The 3000mAh cells may be old quality cells, but they must not be used in series due to the huge difference in capacity.
    Neither type must be used in series due to the missing PCB protection.

    PS: I will publish reviews of the cells.
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    Default Re: Disassembly of some UltraFire batteries

    Thanks HKJ for all the useful and fantastic work you do, for all of our benefit

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    Another huge thanks for verifying the risks and warnings around this brand and other cheap, but dangerous cells.

    Isn't there some sort consumer protection agency in the EU (and US) that have these taken off the market given their real danger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    …….the 3000mAh cell is made from old battery pack cells and when you buy multiple cell they may be different, even if they have the same wrapper…………..
    Here is an interesting short article about these "recycled " batteries:

    http://batterybro.com/blogs/18650-wh...ies-from-china

    "…….. These recycling operations sort through many different electronics. One barrel is marked "18650 Batteries". If the battery can still hold a charge, it passes. Battery rewrapping assembly lines often associated with the *fire* brands then take these cells and put new PVC wrapping over them and sell them as if they were new. There have been Ebay and Amazon sellers doing just this - so remember to always buy 18650 batteries from a reputable source…………"

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    As someone fairly new to these more exotic battery types please could someone share a link to reputable safe battaries so as to be able to avoid the dodgy fake brands

    Much appreciated!

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    Thank you HKJ for performing this teardown and revealing what we all suspected. It saves me from attempting a teardown in here and setting fire to something

    I will be honest and say that I avoided 18650 batteries and lights for a long time due to the market being filled with rubbish, unsafe batteries and chargers. I only bought my first 18650 battery last month. Sure the market is still saturated with garbage but there are many good quality cells and chargers available, and the more reputable manufacturers now tend to use quality cells. It makes it easier for us to recommend good batteries and chargers to people new to li-ion lights.

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    Well done! I've purchased UF cells in the past and found them lacking power for bright lights. Don't buy them anymore. Not worth the risk! Thanks for your work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mileage View Post
    As someone fairly new to these more exotic battery types please could someone share a link to reputable safe battaries so as to be able to avoid the dodgy fake brands

    Much appreciated!
    The best general advice is to stick to big name cells. Sony, Panasonic, LG, Sanyo, Samsung and the like are good. Stay away from cells whose names end in "fire."

    edit: I forgot to mention that this does not apply to Surefire, who I'm sure use decent cells under their wrappers.
    Last edited by G. Scott H.; 04-13-2015 at 03:24 PM. Reason: additional info
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    Quote Originally Posted by G. Scott H. View Post
    The best general advice is to stick to big name cells. Sony, Panasonic, LG, Sanyo, Samsung and the like are good. Stay away from cells whose names end in "fire."
    Now to toss a spanner into the works, one of us here ought to setup a battery business that uses authentic brand new cells from reputable manufacturers and labels them "TrueFire".

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    Some interesting info about Ultrafire:

    "……………….A fierce Chinese trademark battle

    The Ultrafire name has been in a legal battle for years while several factories battle to win legal control over it. Shenzhen is China's first and most successful special economic zone and the law is taken seriously there. However, with no one winner declared, it is a free-for-all, and anyone can print their own Ultrafire batteries without legal repercussions
    That might all change in the first few days of 2015 when a decision is supposed to be reached. But for now we will have to wait.
    How easy is it to make your own Ultrafire 18650 brand

    A 18650 re-wrapping "factory" can be run efficiently with as little as six persons. Or you don't have to do it yourself - you can contact any number of OEM suppliers that will gladly do it for you. Ultrafire cells might be used, re-salvaged, or new. They might have correct specs, or exaggerated specs. It is usually the worse option in my experience.
    How many different companies make Ultrafire 18650 batteries?

    There are at least ten different companies producing them………….."

    Reference: http://batterybro.com/blogs/18650-wh...name-explained

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mileage View Post
    As someone fairly new to these more exotic battery types please could someone share a link to reputable safe battaries so as to be able to avoid the dodgy fake brands

    Much appreciated!
    If u are living in the USA, do try Illumination supply or Mountain Electronic..
    They are reputable sellers.

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    UltraFIre shrink wrap already sold on fasttech and similar sites, so you can make your own

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    As long they do not try to counterfeit the reputable brands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zipplet View Post
    Now to toss a spanner into the works, one of us here ought to setup a battery business that uses authentic brand new cells from reputable manufacturers and labels them "TrueFire".
    How about "Nofire?" Or for added truth in advertising, "Lesslikelyfire?"

    I also edited my post above. I totally forgot about Surefire, and I don't want to lump them in with the rest of the "fires."
    Last edited by G. Scott H.; 04-13-2015 at 03:25 PM.
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    Excellent!! This should be required reading for all those unsuspecting people getting ready to click "add to cart" on Amazon or eBay.

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    It is truly amazing what companies will do just to make money. They endanger every one of us. Should be completely and totally illegal. They have no morals.

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    I've read the various "Fire" brands (FirePeak, UltraFire, TangsFire, HouseFire, ApartmentFire, etc.) are reclaimed laptop battery pack cells or factory rejects that fail spec in some way (not neccesarilly capacity). The most frightening part is that some of them have rated capacity (don't mix!).

    They are very commonly conterfeited too. WaFat Technological which owns the brand has a blacklist on their web site and Amazon.com is at the top of the list.

    I never bought one but I have one that came with a flashlight. I only use that cell alone and put the charger on by garage concrete floor with nothing within a couple feet
    That flashlight was only bought because the LED head fits the end of my "executive size" expandable baton. One of the these days I will add a coin cell and some kind of switch mechanism to make it actually work

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    thanks for the review, definitely an eye opener

    I was in market for a new flashlight and was choosing between sticking with normal nimh AA based flashlight or going for 18650 powered ones and there's so many 18650 brands out there. I know which I won't be buying

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    Welcome to the Forum!
    Stick with good name brands when choosing to buy 18650 batteries. (Panasonic, Sanyo, LG, Sony, etc)
    Also look at fellow member HKJ's website for very informative battery reviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RI Chevy View Post
    Welcome to the Forum!
    Stick with good name brands when choosing to buy 18650 batteries. (Panasonic, Sanyo, LG, Sony, etc)
    Also look at fellow member HKJ's website for very informative battery reviews.
    thanks for the welcome

    been watching some youtube videos on ultrafire 18650 3000mah and wow some are even <900mah real !

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    First visit to the CPF and this was the first thread I read! Great info and if the rest of what I read here is half as useful, I will thrilled.

    Since I have a drawer full of these batteries that I bought at the Hong Kong night market, I will be doing some pretty serious weeding out this weekend. I knew I was getting inferior/fake product but I never would have considered them to be dangerous.

    Thanks!
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    Welcome to the forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DellSuperman View Post
    If u are living in the USA, do try Illumination supply or Mountain Electronic..
    They are reputable sellers.
    Oveready is also very reputable.

    I've bought from all three.


    GREAT TOPIC HKJ - THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE WORK & EXPLANATION !!


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    I guess the rumors are true. Thanks for posting this.
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    Thank you HKJ for this info. I actually have a few of the red UF batteries you have shown above. Always knew something wasn't quite right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SubLGT View Post
    At the top of every battery web page on ebay, there should be a link to this post.
    I have been supplied 9 ultrafire 26650 cells:
    2 would not charge at all.
    All the others fully self discharged in a time span not exceeding a a period of 1 month.

    2 of them were identified as 'Protected'
    When I took one of the non-functioning cells apart there was no PCB protection circuit.

    Needless to say I would not advise any one to purchase any loose ultrafire cells or purchase any product which is obviously supplied with ultrafire cells.

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    Sick thread!

    I have two Ultrafire 3000mA blue batteries and they seem to work fine (one at a time) in a Fenix that I have. Still, I'm paranoid, so I weighed them and one weighs 20grams and the other about 30. I weighed an Xtar that I bought and it was the proper 47g. I may just boot them out the door and be done with it.... they were only $5 from Amazon.

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