Hampton Bay 11" LED Round Ceiling Flush Mount Light

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My 3M Advanced LED bulb died recently. I've yet to encounter any non-niche producer of bulbs in the >3000K - <5000K range, leaving the fixture empty and my upstairs hallway inconveniently dark.

I've been wanting to experiment with some of the purpose-built utility LED fixtures that seem likely to take over these roles, but have never seen anything other than 2700K (not my favorite by a long shot) and some linear-floro replacements that would be overkill for my hallway. Home Despot's interior-lighting isle was awash in 2700K, but one aisle over in the outdoor/kitchen/shop-lighting section I spotted a clean-looking fixture in 4000K. $40 was more than I thought it was worth, but I purchased it anyway. And it's not faux-brass that screams early-90's builder-grade!

For starters, the Lighting Facts Label: 980 lumens, 14 watts, 70 lumens-per-watt, 82 CRI, and 4000K CCT. So far so good for my purposes.


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The bare fixture

Note that there are 42 individual LED's, probably wired in a single string since two of the PCB's have 10 and the other two have 11. At 14 watts total power (assuming 100% delivered to the LED's), that's ~333 mW per LED. If the LED's have a reasonably modern Vf of ~3V, that suggests ~111mA current per LED. They're small SMD packages, but right at where I understand the definition of mid-power starts. PCB's do not seem to be of the peel-and-stick variety; however they don't seem to be using unetched PCB trace for heat sinking unless it's off of the power traces themselves.




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All lit up

Installation was ... nothing exciting, nothing tragic. Collect some basic tools, break out the porn star nitrile gloves (the cat found them most confusing), get on a ladder, remove the old fixture, shake your head at the builder's contempt for safety grounds nearly 25 years ago, match the wire colors, wish you had 3 or 4 hands, stuff everything into the J-box, be thankful for keyhole cutouts since you really don't want to mess with installing new screws, turn it on and marvel at it, blink a few times since you just got done staring at point sources and those afterimages are persisting inconveniently long, then futz with getting the diffuser on. All told around 15 minutes.




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Fully deployed

Or if you prefer, illuminating a test subject that does F-all to demonstrate color rendering.

I'm not seeing any evidence of banding when I look at it with the smartphone camera, so flicker is either absent or significantly less pronounced than LED bulbs demonstrate.




So what's the verdict? I like it so far. I like the color and the light is extremely even. I'm a bit concerned with longevity - warranty is only 3 years, I don't know if those SMD packages can handle a third of a watt each, nor do I know if they're heatsinked to the PCB or - less likely - upper fixture housing. Since the power supply is well isolated from the LED's, I doubt it will have the issues that bulb power supplies do - ought to be able to keep those capacitors nice and cool.

If 4000K isn't your thing, Home Despot sells similar fixtures in the more-popular 2700K.

That $40 price though ... these aren't terribly sophisticated fixtures nor are they as well-designed as I was expecting. Claimed to be dimmable is the only added bonus. While I believe the SMD LED's in this fixture are of better quality than the reels of 3528 and 5050 LED's I can buy for cheap locally, the warranty is only 3 years and the thermal situation is a bit iffy. If this lasts only as long as a LED bulb, my disappointment will be much greater since I have to swap the whole fixture to remedy things.

I think the overall concept has legs - it just needs better execution. At $20 - $25, I think this would appeal to the average homeowner that's adventurous enough to swap fixtures so long as it was something they didn't have to do again for another 10+ years.

But I'm still going to hang on to that receipt - it might go the way of the 3M LED in less than 3 years.
 

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excellent review
I particularly enjoyed your blog-like writing style :thumbsup:

I don't think many other people could bring that level of enthusiasm to the mundane topic of changing out a hallway light fixture.
 
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excellent review
I particularly enjoyed your blog-like writing style :thumbsup:

I don't think many other people could bring that level of enthusiasm to the mundane topic of changing out a hallway light fixture.

Thanks.

There aren't a lot of reviews on fixed lighting products here as opposed to flashlights. Since that's where my interest lies now, I'll do the community a favor and serve as the test subject from time to time.
 

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Because the LEDs are accessible during operation (as far as safety certs go), the string voltage has to be under 60V.

Is that a glass or plastic dome?

At $40, there is quite a bit of margin stack and profit. If the dome is plastic, then cost from the CM is <<$10.
 

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Because the LEDs are accessible during operation (as far as safety certs go), the string voltage has to be under 60V.

Is that a glass or plastic dome?

At $40, there is quite a bit of margin stack and profit. If the dome is plastic, then cost from the CM is <<$10.

60V limit suggests parallel strings of 14 or 7. There are other divisors, but they probably wouldn't make as much sense.

Plastic dome. Perhaps they're building in margin to pad anticipated future warranty claims. Or simply enriching their stockholders.

One wonders if fixtures like this nowadays are less continuously-produced items than projects with a defined start and end. Plan the design, get approvals, plug in whatever OTS components (either from the market or your stable of suppliers) are applicable, set up finite production runs, receive the product, manage the logistics (including however many you opt to keep in reserve for RMA's), then wash-rinse-repeat for the next season/year/marketing period. I say this because short of higher-dollar fixtures or those clearly designed as part of a hyped product line, the availability of these things seems to be fairly brief.
 

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In the retail channel space, you have nailed it pretty much perfectly. That is how it works. There are some product lines with longevity but even they are refreshed yearly with features and cost cutting.

Profit for shareholders and there could be a middle man that is holding the warranty and support card and sharing half the profits with HD.
 

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Part of the reason for the high margin could also be because LED lights like this are not established so HD feels that they are taking more of a risk selling them. They end up asking for more of the profit margin than they do for their established lines. The exact same thing happened for the new EGO battery-powered lawn mowers.

Part of it may also just be anchoring: Other flushmount lighting products are typically in the $30 range. Undercutting the price with LED might make customers think they are cheaply made.
 

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Part of the reason for the high margin could also be because LED lights like this are not established so HD feels that they are taking more of a risk selling them. They end up asking for more of the profit margin than they do for their established lines. The exact same thing happened for the new EGO battery-powered lawn mowers.
Funny that - as soon as the E-GO products appeared on their shelves, the competing Ryobi lawnmower (for which they are also the exclusive distributor) all but disappeared locally. I had to watch their website for weeks - using their janky search feature - then drive well out of my way to obtain one.

They could cut down on risk by offering better-designed products. If a bulb fails out of warranty, it's annoying, but you can easily replace it and you probably soon forget about it. An integrated fixture is not something the average person is going to want to replace every 3-5 years, so if those are engineered poorly, they'll sour the market ... but then the conspiracy theorist will say maybe that's exactly what HD wants to happen.

Part of it may also just be anchoring: Other flushmount lighting products are typically in the $30 range. Undercutting the price with LED might make customers think they are cheaply made.
They have similar utility LED products (lower output, even more spartan) at the ~$30 price point. On the residential warm-white side, they might even dip closer to $20.
 

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It is all a pricing exercise. They are trying to maximize profits. Supply/demand/profit curve. Nothing more complex.

For now they do believe they can charge an LED premium. However, they do not feel they can charge a big premium for a non-replaceable consumer product, so that puts a top and bottom end.
 

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Funny that - as soon as the E-GO products appeared on their shelves, the competing Ryobi lawnmower (for which they are also the exclusive distributor) all but disappeared locally. I had to watch their website for weeks - using their janky search feature - then drive well out of my way to obtain one.

Hah, sounds about right. Any particular reason you wanted the Ryobi over the EGO though? I got an EGO and it's fantastic. I've seen reviews of the competing Ryobi and I don't recall seeing anything that stuck out to me to get it over the EGO.

They have similar utility LED products (lower output, even more spartan) at the ~$30 price point. On the residential warm-white side, they might even dip closer to $20.

Right. LED has to be "better" than what is available, or appear to have a premium or else it may come off as cheap. Or maybe HD feels that it will sell regardless and wants to take advantage of it with a higher margin. Those are my guesses anyway. I'm not a marketing guy.
 

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Hah, sounds about right. Any particular reason you wanted the Ryobi over the EGO though? I got an EGO and it's fantastic. I've seen reviews of the competing Ryobi and I don't recall seeing anything that stuck out to me to get it over the EGO.
Already had the 40V trimmer, didn't want another battery form-factor. The Ryobi brushless manages my 3000 ft² yard fine on about a half-charge, so the second battery that came with the mower is just padding for whenever I really let the grass go for many weeks. It was also $100 less. Its main faults lie in the chassis being made of plastic (not as stiff as it could be, vulnerability to anything hard that the blade throws) and potential failures down the road from the wheels being on such long lever arms.



Not a whole lot more to say on this subject. I'll update this thread if anything occurs to me or anything exciting happens. Might get some similar (smaller/cheaper) fixtures for closets if those bulbs ever expire - given that they're cheap LSG jobs apparently lacking heatsinking altogether, this could happen soon.
 
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You should write your review on Home Depot's page.
Considered it, but didn't want to dig up my account information, and suspect I'd need to trim it down to something more appropriate for the average buyer and/or HD would edit it a tad.

But I also have an outline of a review for the lawnmower I went OT about earlier, so perhaps I'll get motivated and produce something more suitable for J. Random.
 
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