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    Neale very nice, great looking light! Look at all those cuts in the head inside the fins, amazing. Any comments on the red flood Neale?

    Agreed the 219 tint is hard to beat, but the redomed XPL's really piqued my interest and that's what I pulled the trigger on. 4000K is about perfect for me. Very excited to receive this light, stoked actually.

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    Well I'll be damned! My apologies Grizzman.

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    I know for a fact "a programming subscription" wasn't required a few weeks ago. I was one of a handful of people with preproduction prototype LE's (along with Oveready). But even before I had mine, I was still able to play with the programmer. Serge never mentioned this change to me either and I unequivocally do not support it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliceScannerMan View Post
    Neale very nice, great looking light! Look at all those cuts in the head inside the fins, amazing. Any comments on the red flood Neale?
    Haven't touched the red flood or programming. I received some custom keychain lights at the same time as this, it's like Christmas...


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    Still no answer regarding the ease of use (or not) with a Zero Res twisty. Are you using the Wasp with a twisty, because it sure looks like you are using a Zero Res in your photo. To my mind, it is misleading potential Wasp customers showing a twisty switch with a multi mode engine without disclosing the challenge of switching levels. That is, if you are actually going to use this tool.

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    Default Triple v5 R33 Engine - 4th LED, 30w limit, Screen Programable, Dual Mode Groups

    Neale's probably busy today, so I'll offer my perspective.

    I do all my runtime testing with a ZRM, a process which can require multiple mode changes per minute. The switching interface works the same as previous versions and responds to twisty. With a momentary + twisty (stock z41) and a bit of practice you can even press through modes then twist to lock in. At least one light shipped yesterday with this configuration.
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    Thanks for the response. nfetterly has some beautiful flashlights.

    In the field, there have been occurrences (with me) where the natural bouncing of brisk walking and running have caused mode-jumps when using a Zero Res. And, you referred to practice as being a way to use a twisty switch with a multiple mode. Another great thing about Version 5 Wasp is the ability to go into single mode when things might get serious.

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    Zero Rez for me. Although I have not done any programming yet.

    I nearly burned myself a few years back with a vanisledsm 5.6A quad and fettie switch as it clicked on in a holster. I caught it just before the thermal shutdown, which if memory serves was quite high. It was in an orange cerakoted OR 6p, not that that has anything to do with it. After that I started locking out the tail cap, effectively making it a twisty as every time I went to use it I had to tighten tail cap.

    zero Rez for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KITROBASKIN View Post
    In the field, there have been occurrences (with me) where the natural bouncing of brisk walking and running have caused mode-jumps when using a Zero Res.
    I see what you mean. Not the switching itself, the lack of a 2nd battery spring making it more susceptible to bouncing. With only one spring, the other spring becomes more important, as does battery length. Single mode will fix that but you can also try a longer battery and/or single spring. Double springs (clicky) would also work.
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    I stand corrected. The high amperage of these Wasp engines demand a Zero Resistence Switch as well.

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    Default Triple v5 R33 Engine - 4th LED, 30w limit, Screen Programable, Dual Mode Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by KITROBASKIN View Post
    I stand corrected. The high amperage of these Wasp engines demand a Zero Resistence Switch as well.
    Are you sure about that? I don't see that info shown on the product pages, and EG states above that double springs (clicky) would also work.
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    I don't think this setup requires a zero rez cap. WARNING: Math below.

    amps = watts / volts

    On a one cell setup voltage is 4.2v with high set to 17w.
    17/4.2 = 4.05 amps. Well within McClicky ratings.

    On a two cell setup voltage is 8.4 with high set to 30w.
    30/8.4 = 3.57 amps. Even lower than on a one cell setup.

    So either way, a McClicky is sufficient for the Wasp. Now if I can only catch it when it's in stock.
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    The Wasp head is limited to 5A in. The McClicky is fine.
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    Default Re: Triple v5 R33 Engine - 4th LED, 30w limit, Screen Programable, Dual Mode Groups

    Hello Everyone!

    I'm very happy to see the excitement about the new release.

    I will get some more technical data together for you guys regarding switches and the power these new engines use tomorrow.

    Please have a safe and happy Independence Day celebration if you are hanging in the USA tonight.

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    Default Re: Triple v5 R33 Engine - 4th LED, 30w limit, Screen Programable, Dual Mode Groups

    Any idea when a batch of these will be back in stock?
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    I believe there will be some released tomorrow and next week, from what I read on the Facebook page.

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    Default Triple v5 R33 Engine - 4th LED, 30w limit, Screen Programable, Dual Mode Groups

    I'm hoping to get things sorted with Lux before continuing, so Sunday isn't looking likely tonight.

    Lets put Tuesday as the likely sales window for the remaining round of this batch.
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    A couple questions if you don't mind:

    1. Can you explain the difference between regular mode memory and hybrid mode memory and the advantage over one or the other? I have a Maratac light with a mode memory that remembers the mode you were on if you turn it off for 5 seconds-- I'm guessing regular mode memory is like this? How is the hybrid different?

    2. If we miss this week's remaining round how bad will the wait be for the next batch? Are we looking at another 7-8 months?

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    Hybrid Memory (according to LUX-RC): Your flashlight remembers the last used mode when starting but mode cycling always starts with the first mode.
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    Mode cycling means lightly pressing the switch while the light is on (without clicking it) to get to the next mode right? So for example if I have a High/Medium/Low and I turn it off in Medium mode, then I turn it back on I have Medium mode, then if I cycle it once it will go back to High mode (essentially "skipping" Low)?

    Am I understanding correctly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Appletz View Post
    1. Can you explain the difference between regular mode memory and hybrid mode memory and the advantage over one or the other? I have a Maratac light with a mode memory that remembers the mode you were on if you turn it off for 5 seconds-- I'm guessing regular mode memory is like this? How is the hybrid different?
    Let's use a Wasp setup for H/M/L/D as our example. High is the first level, Medium is second, and so on.

    Regular memory remembers the last level you used. So if you turn the light off at medium it will come back on at medium. The next level will be L, then D, then H, etc... Just like a clock, regular memory requires you to cycle through all the modes in order to get back to the beginning.

    Hybrid memory also remembers the last level. So if you turn the light off at medium it will come back on at medium, just like regular memory. However, the next level will be high, not low. The same goes for any level in the cycle, the next will always be high (or whatever your first level is).

    The advantage to hybrid is that you are never more than one mode away from your first setting. This is helpful when you don't want to cycle through all the levels.

    With no memory, the light always comes back on at the first level, is our case this is high. You must either cycle through all the levels or turn the light off and on again to get back to the first level, high.

    Quote Originally Posted by Appletz View Post
    Mode cycling means lightly pressing the switch while the light is on (without clicking it) to get to the next mode right?
    Mode/level cycling simple mean changing from one level to another. It is the same regardless of what memory option you have set. A quick soft-press will move the light through the various levels (e.g. H->M->L). The method you are describing (soft-press while light is on) is actually a reverse clicky. Oveready lights use a forward clicky. A series of soft-press from the "off" state is how you change levels. Once you find the level you desire, you push all the way in to "lock" the switch on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Appletz View Post
    So for example if I have a High/Medium/Low and I turn it off in Medium mode, then I turn it back on I have Medium mode, then if I cycle it once it will go back to High mode (essentially "skipping" Low)?
    This is exactly how hybrid memory works. Sounds like you understand it better than you think.

    Here's a video showing hybrid memory in action. (Ignore the Russian, just read the captions).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Appletz View Post
    1. Can you explain the difference between regular mode memory and hybrid mode memory and the advantage over one or the other? I have a Maratac light with a mode memory that remembers the mode you were on if you turn it off for 5 seconds-- I'm guessing regular mode memory is like this? How is the hybrid different?
    The guys did a great job with this one (thanks guys!), so I'll just add that our design goals always include predictability. If you don't know how your light will behave from one second to the next, you could get left in the dark. There are different approaches to hybrid, but we believe this one leaves you knowing what to expect. Even if you forget which mode you last used, your only 2 cycles away (including ON) from certainty.


    Quote Originally Posted by Appletz View Post
    2. If we miss this week's remaining round how bad will the wait be for the next batch? Are we looking at another 7-8 months?
    The time between the last shipment in January and the first shipment in June was not spent on production. It was spent on development of an all new board*, including creating the new mode memory you see in the video above (April). Development is complete, so all we have to do is get the correct parts in the correct place at the correct time. This alone is still a lot of work but not 6 months of work. With a bit of luck, the second shipment of boards will arrive in a matter of weeks and be installed into heads shortly there after.

    * making a new board this amazing from scratch included hundreds of steps over thousands of hours. By rights, it should have taken a year. Only the diligence of some dedicated dudes made this release this soon possible.
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    To help keep you safe, we’ve included a sensor that detects reflections. Turning off white output when too much light comes back at your flashlight. Say for example it comes on at full power while in your pocket. But it also switches to red when doing so. This effectively gives you a 9th mode (4+4+1), say if you want a red shortcut or if none of your 4+4 modes are red but you still want to have red available. Turn high mode on while covering the front - instant and constant red until you switch off your light.
    So this was listed in the Insider email, but I cannot get the red to come on. I've turned the light on high, while placing all manner of things in front of the head, and the red never activates.

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    Just reprogrammed mine. Went with RedLMH, with Hybrid memory. Gonna use it for a few days, and see how I like it.

    Hybrid memory is so money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Univtex34 View Post
    So this was listed in the Insider email, but I cannot get the red to come on. I've turned the light on high, while placing all manner of things in front of the head, and the red never activates.
    Sorry for the confusion. I wasn't sure everyone would like it so its off by default. Programming was supposed to be easily available so it would be be easy to self activate. If programming isn't available soon, please send us an email to discuss options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElectronGuru View Post
    Sorry for the confusion. I wasn't sure everyone would like it so its off by default. Programming was supposed to be easily available so it would be be easy to self activate. If programming isn't available soon, please send us an email to discuss options.
    I have access to the programming, what do I need to select to get it activated?

    Edit: never mind, it is the bounce setting, I'm going to play with it now. Thanks!

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    So the bounce setting is quite interesting. Took me about 15 tries at programming, to get to a setting that I liked. 75 is the value I settled on. Doesn't activate too soon, but still actually activates when light is reflected back.

    Felt like there was a huge drop off while trying to find the sweet spot. Anything higher than 76 and red activated immediately, but anything lower than 74 and red never activated.

    Very interesting.

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    Default Re: Triple v5 R33 Engine - 4th LED, 30w limit, Screen Programable, Dual Mode Groups

    Hello guys,

    Regarding the switch choice for these engines:

    When these are used with a McClicky, there is some resistance introduced into the circuit.
    This will reduce runtime a small amount.
    However, full output is maintained because of the high efficiency boost regulator.


    5A is at the upper limit of the McClicky, but I have not had any issues.

    The ZeroRez family is a good option for those who prefer that.
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    Thanks for the switch options clarification. I had just assumed that a McClicky wasn't an option. It is nice to know that it is.

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    Scored a V5! My 18650/2600 does not work. What are my battery options? I have the Moddoo tube and triad tail-cap. The V3 head works on it fine. Thanks!

    Also, is there a website I can go to program the light, that does not charge money to do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurock View Post
    Scored a V5! My 18650/2600 does not work. What are my battery options? I have the Moddoo tube and triad tail-cap. The V3 head works on it fine. Thanks!
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    Also, is there a website I can go to program the light, that does not charge money to do it?
    We are working with LUX now to make this easy. Please stand by for an announcement.
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