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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauss163 View Post
    SkyRC should extend the software to allow export/import of programs, so that users can exchange programs. This would make it much more accessible to those that are averse to programming.

    I would like a couple of extension in that regards:
    Save all 30 programs on a PC.
    Copy all 30 program from a PC to a charge (Not necessary the same charge).
    Edit program on a PC (We already have that, but cannot save the result).
    The easiest way to export programs would be as a couple of text lines, that could be posted on a forum or in a email, then pasted into a text field in the program for parsing into a program (No files, it is too little information for files).

    What I am talking about is basically this list here:
    BATT TYPE: LiIon, Eneloop, NiZn, NiCd, NiMH, LiIo4.35, LiFe
    MODE: Charge, Cycle, Discharge, Storage, Break_in, Refresh
    CAPACITY: Off .. 50000mAh
    NOMINAL: 100mAh .. 50000mAh
    MODEL: Std AA, Std AAA, Pro/XX AA, Pro/XX AAA, Lite AA, Lite AAA, Plus AA, Std C, Std D
    C.CURRENT: 0.05A .. 3A
    D.CURRENT: -0.05A .. -2A
    C.RESTING: 0 .. 240min
    D.RESTING: 0 .. 240min
    CYCLE COUNT: 1 .. 99
    CYCLE MODE: C>D, D>C>D, D>C, C>D>C
    TARGET VOLTAGE:
    DELTA PEAK: 0dv, 1mV .. 20mV
    TRICKLE C: Off, 10mA .. 300mA
    TERMINATION: Zero, 0.01 .. 0.99A, off
    RESTART VOLTAGE:
    D.REDUCE: Off, -0.01A .. -1.99A
    CUT VOLTAGE:
    CUT TEMP: Off, 20°C .. 70°C
    CUT TIME: Off, 1 .. 1440 min
    With one setting on each line and unused settings removed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGarrett View Post
    I'm sure that somebody like you, in your business, will think these chargers are a 'God send' and perhaps they are, but you're a rare and smart bird when it comes to this stuff, but I'm sure that most of us here will think it's all Greek.

    Maybe the CPFer living in Greece will be happy, but I bet this charger is over the heads of a lot of people here, who are casual users.
    Indeed the charger is probably overkill for the vast majority of users.

    It's not only a matter of the button pushing and making the programs (which at the end of day really isn't that difficult), but also a matter of knowing and understanding what all the parameters mean and how to set them correctly to achieve your objective.

    For those who like to delve into the nitty-gritty of battery charging and discharging, it is very instructive and learning to fully use this charger is also a lesson in knowing charging parameters.

    That said, once the initial learning is over and you've setup some programs, the charger is not difficult to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
    Indeed the charger is probably overkill for the vast majority of users.

    It's not only a matter of the button pushing and making the programs (which at the end of day really isn't that difficult), but also a matter of knowing and understanding what all the parameters mean and how to set them correctly to achieve your objective.

    For those who like to delve into the nitty-gritty of battery charging and discharging, it is very instructive and learning to fully use this charger is also a lesson in knowing charging parameters.

    That said, once the initial learning is over and you've setup some programs, the charger is not difficult to use.
    That's the reason I bought this charger. My opus 3100 does what I need but I want to learn how it is done and what to do to get the job done correctly. That's why I will use the advanced mode in the mc3000 at starting.
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    If SkyRC really wants to have a look at software control done right, they need to look at CCS (Charge Control Software) from FMA, and specifically on the Powerlab 8. I own one of those, and once I got the hang of things, it was super easy to build and pick my own programs.

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    double post
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    Conclusion

    This charger can handle many chemistries and many battery sizes and in addition to this it has a good precision, all of this is way above any other (consumer) charger on the market at the current time.
    Using the safety functions (Capacity, time, temperature) it is very easy to add a extra layer of safety to the charge process and due to the programs it only has to be configured once and then it will be active for all charging of the battery type.
    The charger has 3 UI modes, the dummy mode is mostly for people that got this charger without realizing what it is, the simple mode can be used to charge/test any chemistry, but it is not really possible to adjust any parameters. For really using the charger there is only advanced mode (Or PC/phone interface).

    The charger is not without issues, most of them will probably be fixed with software upgrades, I have collected some of them here:
    • It is required to remember the program numbers or press a key, on the initial screen there is no hint on how the selected program works.
    • Default time on LiIon is 3 hours, this is to short.
    • When terminating on time or capacity, no capacity information is saved.
    • Break_in shows charged capacity, not discharge capacity.
    • Backlight always requires a keypress to turn on, putting a battery into the charger will not turn the light on
    • Factory calibration do not match specifications.
    • The PC software requires a high screen resolution
    • NiMH charge curves looks messy on PC, an option to hiding measuring pauses would be nice.
    • PC software saves csv files at wrong location.
    • It is not possible to copy programming from one charger to another, people with more than one charger (That will be me) must enter each program on each charger!
    • The Bluetooth software is not stable and do not work on all phones.
    • Strange coding on the usb output, why not use a chip to automatic get the best coding?




    Even with all the above issues I can only call it a very good charger, but it is not for everyone.
    Conclusion section does not seem very balanced - you have a criticism list but you don't have a praise list.

    You put all the emphasis on the criticism, listing 12 of them (some of which appear to be very minor), placing each one in its separate line, while condensing all of the positive things into a single sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeanW8 View Post
    Conclusion section does not seem very balanced - you have a criticism list but you don't have a praise list.

    You put all the emphasis on the criticism, listing 12 of them (some of which appear to be very minor), placing each one in its separate line, while condensing all of the positive things into a single sentence.
    I think that you need to really read the review and read HKJ's comments usually after a picture, to see that he's pretty stoked about this charger. I'm sure that the local tattoo parlor has already worked out a design for H..

    While there are some issues to be worked out, I got the impression that this is a very good charger, but I needed to read the entire review, carefully and then reread it some more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGarrett View Post
    While there are some issues to be worked out, I got the impression that this is a very good charger, but I needed to read the entire review, carefully and then reread it some more.

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    Yes! This is absolutely a ground-breaking charger. It's also brand new and quite complex. Assuming the maker works through some of the rough spots, I will almost certainly get one. I will wait out the holiday season, the Chinese New Year and most of the rest of winter, however, before pulling the trigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeanW8 View Post
    Conclusion section does not seem very balanced - you have a criticism list but you don't have a praise list.

    You put all the emphasis on the criticism, listing 12 of them (some of which appear to be very minor), placing each one in its separate line, while condensing all of the positive things into a single sentence.
    Try reading my praise: "all of this is way above any other (consumer) charger on the market at the current time."

    I do not believe I need to say much more, but I want people to be aware that there is a couple of (small) issues, even though I say "very good" (I do not do that very often).
    If there had been anything affecting the charging, the rating had not been that positive. If I had rated the different modes, neither dummy or simple would get more than good, they often have issues with the current software.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    Try reading my praise: "all of this is way above any other (consumer) charger on the market at the current time."

    I do not believe I need to say much more, but I want people to be aware that there is a couple of (small) issues, even though I say "very good" (I do not do that very often).
    If there had been anything affecting the charging, the rating had not been that positive. If I had rated the different modes, neither dummy or simple would get more than good, they often have issues with the current software.
    lol yupp they do have "small issues " when you get a blank screen like i have on mine that gearbest is giving me the run around for warranty work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chewy78 View Post
    lol yupp they do have "small issues " when you get a blank screen like i have on mine that gearbest is giving me the run around for warranty work.
    One thing is small issues, another thing is a defect charger. On any product there will be a small percent of defect products, what is interesting is how the seller handles it.
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    Issues and bugs are very important for consumers to know about. Personally I'm glad HKJ highlighted those issues, and frankly I'm puzzled anybody outside the company or distributors have a problem in this regard.
    When issues are highlighted it also makes it easier for either Kreisl or Skyrc to get an overview of what needs to be fixed.

    And finally, reading the review I get the complete opposite impression, that HKJ are infact very satisfied and positive overall for this unit. Not that possitive ratings are in any way a benchmark for good reviews, negativ ratings and conclusions are just as helpfull. Actually I start to get a little suspicious if either all or to many reviews end up with a positive rating for any reviewer.
    But I find it a little ironic someone "accuses" HKJ for being unbalanced in a negative point of view, when this review is actually one the most positive ones I can recall reading. He even mention this charger will take the place for nearly all of his other chargers in the future :-)

    Please keep on your good work HKJ, and also focus on bugs and issues next time, as any honest and competent reviewer will do. Unfortunately too many reviewers are in the pocket of the industry, which is reflected in their overly possitive ratings and conclusions.
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    But I find it a little ironic someone "accuses" HKJ for being unbalanced in a negative point of view
    I can see his point, the issues takes up a lot of space in the conclusion and I do not use much space on the positive sides, but my reviews will always be that way: When everything works, there is not much to say or list, but anything that do not work, will requiring writing.
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    That is also my believe. It is much more meaningful to emphasize things that doesn't work than things that does. Thinks that works as advertised shall of course be mentioned too, but they don't need to get emphasized in the same manner.
    Bugs and issues is something you don't expect in the same way as a customer.
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    How long does it take to do a full refresh on a D cell nimh or 32650? Had hoped it would do four C/D or 26/32650-700. Would make a nice supplement to our current chargers, but concerned at how long it might be tied up only doing two cells at a time. Though not fitting inside, any reason for it to have issues if using magnets and wires to do four larger cells at a time? Is there any sort of cap that would cause issues if doing even larger lifepo4 cells like 38140s.
    Keep it between the ditches and the shiny side up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortus View Post
    How long does it take to do a full refresh on a D cell nimh or 32650? Had hoped it would do four C/D or 26/32650-700. Would make a nice supplement to our current chargers, but concerned at how long it might be tied up only doing two cells at a time. Though not fitting inside, any reason for it to have issues if using magnets and wires to do four larger cells at a time? Is there any sort of cap that would cause issues if doing even larger lifepo4 cells like 38140s.
    Using 2A you can charge or discharge a 10000mAh NiMH cell in 5 hours.
    It is possible to extend the connections, but you will get higher resistance. I do not expect you will have any serious problems with charging/discharging.
    As you can see in my parameter list, it can handle up to 50000mAh, but you will probably have problems with terminating NiMH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    As you can see in my parameter list, it can handle up to 50000mAh, but you will probably have problems with terminating NiMH.
    But that is one of the great features with this charger, he could set a voltage cut off termination or timing, to make sure no overcharge is done. or couldn't he ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    But that is one of the great features with this charger, he could set a voltage cut off termination or timing, to make sure no overcharge is done. or couldn't he ?
    Exactly, but if using time he will not get any statistic for the battery, just a "Timer cut"
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    Try reading my praise: "all of this is way above any other (consumer) charger on the market at the current time."

    I do not believe I need to say much more, but I want people to be aware that there is a couple of (small) issues, even though I say "very good" (I do not do that very often).
    If there had been anything affecting the charging, the rating had not been that positive. If I had rated the different modes, neither dummy or simple would get more than good, they often have issues with the current software.
    Quoting that single sentence (that talks about battery support and precision) doesn't disprove anything I have said. It is about emphasis and volume, 90% of the conclusion section is about charger's flaws, even the things that should be mentioned under its advantages.

    For example, instead of listing the PC analyzing ability under the pros of the charger, since it is a feature that 99% of the round cell chargers don't have, it was listed under the flaws of the charger because of some minor issues with the software.

    Despite the positive rating the entire conclusion strikes me unbalanced, mentioning every flaw and issue with the charger, while barely mentioning any of the pros and unique features.

    I am not implying you did that with malice, because you praised the charger elsewhere.

    But if I had just read the conclusion I would have never guessed that you like the charger so much that you replaced your other chargers with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGarrett View Post
    I think that you need to really read the review and read HKJ's comments usually after a picture, to see that he's pretty stoked about this charger. I'm sure that the local tattoo parlor has already worked out a design for H..

    While there are some issues to be worked out, I got the impression that this is a very good charger, but I needed to read the entire review, carefully and then reread it some more.
    I have read the entire review and all the comments before posting. But one should not need to read everything, and many people don't, just to understand the reviewers opinion on the product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeanW8 View Post
    But if I had just read the conclusion I would have never guessed that you like the charger so much that you replaced your other chargers with it.
    The fact that I replaced my other chargers do have a lot to do with how I uses the chargers, not many people has the same usage pattern. Of course it also had to be a good charger, or I would not have replace any of my chargers.

    It do sound like it is the first time you read one of my reviews, it helps when you understand what I mean when I call a product "very good".
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    Thanks. Missed the capacity line. Great review.
    Keep it between the ditches and the shiny side up.

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    Thanks for great review HKJ.
    Considering all the information/data that it deals with, would you say that it could use a bigger display? Seems at times it is unable to show enough due to small screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob_ninja View Post
    Thanks for great review HKJ.
    Considering all the information/data that it deals with, would you say that it could use a bigger display? Seems at times it is unable to show enough due to small screen.
    I would have like a bigger display or higher resolution display, but except for my single complain, the interface works fairly well.
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    I'm fairly new in this space, but comfortable with coding in general. My thought, in addition to saving to a PC, it seems like it should be possible to add a parameter to "execute program X on completion" and allow multiple programs to execute in sequence. For example, have a charge program, upon an exception free completion, run a top off Program, or do variable cycles. Just curious if you experts think this would be of value, or would have reservations against it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by retrocon View Post
    I'm fairly new in this space, but comfortable with coding in general. My thought, in addition to saving to a PC, it seems like it should be possible to add a parameter to "execute program X on completion" and allow multiple programs to execute in sequence. For example, have a charge program, upon an exception free completion, run a top off Program, or do variable cycles. Just curious if you experts think this would be of value, or would have reservations against it?
    There is not that many cases where you really need to use multiple programs and what about the data when you use more than one program?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    There is not that many cases where you really need to use multiple programs and what about the data when you use more than one program?
    Adding top-off settings to NiMH might be a better solution.
    That makes perfect sense. I guess the dynamics of battery chemistry are reasonably finite, so designing in a bunch of flexibility is just overkill. Again, thanks for the great review!

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    Quoting that single sentence (that talks about battery support and precision) doesn't disprove anything I have said. It is about emphasis and volume, 90% of the conclusion section is about charger's flaws, even the things that should be mentioned under its advantages.

    For example, instead of listing the PC analyzing ability under the pros of the charger, since it is a feature that 99% of the round cell chargers don't have, it was listed under the flaws of the charger because of some minor issues with the software.

    Despite the positive rating the entire conclusion strikes me unbalanced, mentioning every flaw and issue with the charger, while barely mentioning any of the pros and unique features.

    I am not implying you did that with malice, because you praised the charger elsewhere.

    But if I had just read the conclusion I would have never guessed that you like the charger so much that you replaced your other chargers with it.


    I have read the entire review and all the comments before posting. But one should not need to read everything, and many people don't, just to understand the reviewers opinion on the product.
    I can only imagine how many hours HKJ put into testing the MC-3000. It takes a lot of work disassembling the charger, taking the pictures, performing the tests, etc. Let's factor all this in as we read the review and reflect on it's contents.

    I know of no one else who provides this much detailed information all free of charge. In addition he is much more than a casual user like most of us so the reviews are accurate and contain back up data to confirm his findings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ko4nrbs View Post
    I can only imagine how many hours HKJ put into testing the MC-3000.
    +1. Great review!

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    Another great, in depth review, thanks for your hard work HKJ! Based on this, I ordered this charger today, so I look forward to seeing how it performs.

    I've had my C9000 for several years now, but this charger brings some new more modern features to the table. I also have an iCharger hobby charger with PC connectivity, but it's much simpler having the 4 cylindrical cell holders built into the charger unit, and the bluetooth chip/iPhone app mean I don't have to have a cable plugged into my laptop all the time. It would be good if the bluetooth could connect to a laptop too, to interact with the PC software, rather than having to use the USB cable. I'm not sure if that is possible, or if the bluetooth can only talk to an android/iOS device...
    But one good thing about this charger is that extra functionality can be added, and bugs squashed, by means of firmware updates.
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    Is a new android app version out today?

    I can't check, i am too busy with bugs looking.

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