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    Wink2 Zebralight SC600-III (XHP35, 1x18650) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO and more!

    Warning: pic heavy, as usual.




    Zebralight updated their popular SC600 model to a new Mark III edition. Featuring higher output and a new emitter, let's see how it compares to the older Zebralight models (especially the SC600-II and SC62), and other recent lights in the 1x18650 class.

    Manufacturer Reported Specifications:
    (note: as always, these are simply what the manufacturer provides – scroll down to see my actual testing results).

    • LED: Cree XHP35 Cool White (Nominal CCT 5700K). Also available with Cree XHP35 Neutral White (Nominal CCT 4500K) and Neutral White High Intensity (Nominal CCT 4500K)
    • User Selectable Levels: 3 main levels (High, Medium and Low). Each main level can be programmed to one of its two sub-levels. The second sub-level of the each main levels can be further programmed to different brightness levels.
    • Light Output (runtimes) for Cool White
    • High: H1 1300 Lm (PID, approx 2.2 hrs) or H2 670 Lm (PID, 2.8 hrs)/360 Lm (4.3 hrs)/160 Lm (12 hrs)
    • Medium: M1 70 Lm (33 hrs) or M2 32 Lm (73 hrs)/12 Lm (8 days)
    • Low: L1 3.8 Lm (18 days) or L2 0.43 Lm (2.8 months)/0.06 Lm (5.1 months)/0.01 Lm (7.1 months)
    • Beacon Strobe Mode: 0.2Hz Beacon at Low / 0.2Hz Beacon at H1 / 4Hz Strobe at H1 / 19Hz Strobe at H1
    • Operating Voltage Range: 2.7V - 6.0V
    • Battery: One 18650 size (i.e. unprotected, 65.0-65.2 mm long) 3.6-4.35V li-ion rechargeable. Batteries are not included in the package.
    • Parasitic Drain: Negligible (much less than the self discharging of a battery)
    • Beam Type: 80 degree spill, 10 degree hot spot
    • PID thermal regulated outputs (two highest output levels) using 384 internal brightness levels and a calibrated 0.1C resolution temperature sensor
    • Programmable PID thermal regulation temperature target value (existed in all lights with the PID thermal regulation feature since late 2012)
    • Builtin battery protections with continuously monitored temperature, current, and voltage, plus a (2.7V) low voltage cutoff
    • Battery capacity indicator (LED flashes 1-4 times, 4 short clicks to start)
    • Automatic stepping down from High to Medium, and from Medium to Low when battery capacity is low
    • Durable electronic soft-touch switch
    • Smart user interface provides fast and easy access to all brightness levels and beacon-strobes.
    • Precision machined unibody casing from premium grade aluminum bar stocks
    • Proprietary heat sinking design bonds the LED board directly to the unibody aluminum casing
    • Durable natural hard anodized finish (Type III Class I)
    • Sealed and potted LED driver circuitry
    • Tempered optical grade glass
    • Orange peel textured reflector
    • Battery reverse polarity protection
    • Pocket clip
    • Lanyard ring
    • Waterproof to IPX7 (2 meters, 30 minutes)
    • Dimensions: Head Diameter: 1.2 inch (30 mm), Body Diameter: 0.98 inch (25 mm), Length: 3.8 inch (96 mm)
    • Weight: 2.35 oz (66 gram) without battery,
    • MSRP: ~$95



    Inside the standard eco-friendly Zebralight cardboard box, you fill find the light with pocket clip, spare o-rings, and manual.




    From left to right: Samsung INR 20R unprotected 2000mAh; Zebralight SC600-III, SC600-II L2, SC62; Nitecore MH20; Olight S30; Thrunite Neutron 2C 2014.

    All dimensions directly measured, and given with no batteries installed:

    Zebralight SC600 III: Weight 64.8g, Length: 96.3mm, Width (bezel) 30.1mm
    Zebralight SC600 II: Weight 79.3g, Length: 101.8mm, Width (bezel) 29.7mm
    Zebralight SC600: Weight 87.2g, Length: 107.8mm, Width (bezel) 29.7mm
    Zebralight SC62: Weight: 42.3g, Length: 96.5mm, Width (max, bezel): 26.1mm

    Nitecore EC20: Weight: 77.1g, Length: 129.2mm, Width (bezel): 25.4mm
    Nitecore P10: Weight 82.0g, Length: 135.1mm, Width (bezel): 25.5mm
    Eagletac TX25C2: Weight 93.6g, Length: 120.4mm, Width (bezel): 31.6mm
    Fenix PD35: Weight: 82.7g, Length: 138.1mm, Width (bezel): 25.4mm
    Nitecore MH20: Weight: 85.4g, Length: 105.5mm, Width (bezel): 31.8mm
    Nitecore P12: Weight: 89.7g, Length: 139.4mm, Width (bezel): 25.4mm
    Olight S30R-II: Weight: 81.1g (131.1g with Olight 18650 3600mAh), Length: 117.6mm, Width (bezel): 25.0mm
    Olight S30: Weight: 73.2g, Length: 116.6mm, Width (bezel): 25.0mm
    Olight S20 (2013, XM-L2): Weight: 52.4g, Length: 106.5mm, Width (bezel): 23.1mm
    Skilhunt DS20: Weight: 53.8g, Length: 110.0mm, Width (bezel): 24.0mm
    Thrunite TN12-2014: Weight: 80.0g, Length: 140.5mm, Width (bezel): 25.4mm

    The new SC600-III is even smaller than the last edition - overall length is now in keeping with the SC62.






    The build of the SC600 III remains similar overall to the previous model – the main difference is the shorter battery tube now. This means that standard protected 18650 batteries CANNOT be used in the light. If you try to use anything longer than ~66mm, you are likely to dent and damage the cell.

    Note as well that both the tailcap and head contact surfaces now use a series of small raised buttons, each with a spring underneath. These "pogo-pins" help ensure reliable contact (and further help save some length).

    The natural-finish anodizing is similar to the last generation Zebralight (type III hard anodized). The finish seemed excellent on my sample, with none of the slight crackling I noticed on the original Mark I model. As always, labels are very minimal and small, though clearly legible against the background.

    Knurling is of reasonable aggressive on the body. There are also finger wells and other body elements to help with grip, as before. Rolling is reduced due to the addition of the split-ring attachment point now, near the tail. Screw threads are anodized for tailcap lock-out.

    As always with all Zebralights, the control switch is electronic and located on the head. Switch feel is similar to before, with the button slightly recessed in the opening to limit the risk of accidental activation. There are fins around the outside of head now, similar to the design of the SC5. Overall feel is similar to the previous SC600 Mark II.

    Light can tailstand as before, thanks to the flat base. Pocket clip is similar to the last generation model. Note the clip remains reversible (i.e. can attach near the head or the tail, pointing in opposite directions).




    The main reflector appears largely unchanged from the previous model. It is textured, to a medium-to-high orange peel finish. XHP35 cool white emitter was well centered on my sample.

    User Interface

    The SC600-III uses a very similar interface as the last SC600 model. As always, while it may sound a little complex when first described, it is actually quite easy to use.

    In general terms, on/off and mode switching is controlled by the electronic clicky switch. The main level choices are Lo – Med – Hi. There are two possible memorized outputs at each level, commonly referred to as 1 or 2 (e.g. Lo1/Lo2, Med1/Med2, Hi1/Hi2). And for each of the second levels, you can choose between 2 or 3 options. This gives you a total of 11 constant outputs to choose from. There are also 4 blinking modes.

    I know that may sound confusing, but the interface is actually well laid out for simple operation. Let me walk you through everything:

    Basic Operation

    By default, the light is set to come on in Hi1, Med1 or Low1. You could therefore easily use the light as a simple, straight-forward three-mode light, if you want.

    To get Hi initially, do a quick single click from Off. A double-click from Off will activate in Med (after a quick flash of Hi). Press and hold (>0.5 sec) from Off to activate in Low.

    As with everything on a Zebralight, it takes a bit of use to get the timings right. After about a second or so of being On, a quick click will simply turn the light off.

    To advance from one mode to the next while the light is On, press and hold the switch to cycle through Lo > Med > Hi, repeatedly (you can do this directly from Off too). Release the switch to select the level. As before, a quick click turns off the light.

    The sequence is actually surprising versatile - you can choose your preferred way of accessing the three main levels.

    Secondary modes for each level

    When On, a quick double-click at any time switches to/from the secondary mode for that level (i.e. 1 or 2). The light will memorize your choice and return to it next time you cycle or turn on at this level. The memory even lasts through battery changes.

    As before, you also have a few choices as to what the secondary mode can be for each level. To enter the programming feature for any level, double-click the light 6 times rapidly. Now, every additional double-click will advance you through the three programmable options (e.g., 670 Lm, 3320 Lm, 160 Lm for Hi2). To select the mode you want as the second level, simply turn off the light once you have made your choice. When you next turn it on, that last level will have been memorized, and returned to automatically. There are now two possible Med2 levels, and three possible Lo2 and Hi2 levels to choose from.

    Blinking modes

    Blinking modes are hidden away under a rapid triple-click of the switch from off. You can switch between four blinking options by double-clicking the switch once On in this state (a single click reverts you to the constant output modes). Mode sequence for the double-click is: Slow Strobe > Fast Strobe > Lo Beacon > Hi Beacon, in repeating sequence.

    Battery Indicator

    Quadrupule-click the switch from off, and the main emitter flashes out a relative battery strength (flashes 1-4 times, with 4 being nearly fully charged).

    Programmable PID

    A new feature on the Mark III is a somewhat programmable PID setting (for how the light responds to heat on the two highest levels).

    To change the PID setting, turn off the light from High1 and then turn back on to High1. Press and hold to cycle from Low to High 6 times. On the 7th (or more) cycle, release the switch to choose one of the three options:
    1. release on High to add 1 degree C (up to 5 max)
    2. release on Med to revert back to the factory default
    3. release on Low to subtract 1 degree C (up to 5 max)

    See my runtimes results later in this review for more info.

    And that’s it – it is really very simple in practice, once you get used to the timings.

    Video:

    For more information on the overall build and user interface of my sample, please see my video overview:



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    PWM/Strobe

    As with my other Zebralight lights, I don't see any signs of pulse width modulation (PWM) on any the lower output modes. The light appears to be fully current controlled at all levels.

    Med1:


    Fast Strobe:


    The fast strobe mode is a disorienting 18Hz tactical strobe. Pulse width is not an even 50:50 split however – the light is actually on for a shorter period each pulse than it is off (i.e., a negative deflection below signifies the on-pulse).



    Slow strobe is a ~4 Hz strobe.

    Hi Beacon:


    Lo Beacon:


    The beacon modes have a common frequency of one quick flash every ~5 secs. The intensity is different between the two modes (i.e., one at max, one at a lower level)

    Note that these blinking mode parameters are unchanged from the previous edition Mark II.

    Standby Drain

    Due to the electronic switch, all Zebralights have a constant parasitic stand-by current drain when the tailcap is connected.

    I measured the original SC600 at 69.6uA, and the SC600-II L2 at a negligible 4.3uA. The new SC600-III is slightly higher at 10.5uA – which is still negligible. Even for a 2000mAh unprotected IMR/INR 18650, that would translate into over 21 years to drain a fully charged cell. This is below the self-discharge rate of Li-ions, and not a concern.

    As before, you can fully break this current - and physically lock-out the light - by twisting the tailcap a quarter turn.

    Beamshots

    For white-wall beamshots below, all lights are on Max output on an 3.7V Li-ion (18650) battery. Lights are about ~0.75 meter from a white wall (with the camera ~1.25 meters back from the wall). Automatic white balance on the camera, to minimize tint differences.

















    The SC600 Mark III has a brighter hotspot, and is brighter overall (although that is hard to see in the beamshots above). Scroll down for detailed beam output and throw measures.

    Testing Method:

    All my output numbers are relative for my home-made light box setup, as described on my flashlightreviews.ca website. You can directly compare all my relative output values from different reviews - i.e. an output value of "10" in one graph is the same as "10" in another. All runtimes are done under a cooling fan, except for any extended run Lo/Min modes (i.e. >12 hours) which are done without cooling.

    I have devised a method for converting my lightbox relative output values (ROV) to estimated Lumens. See my How to convert Selfbuilt's Lightbox values to Lumens thread for more info.

    Throw/Output Summary Chart:

    My summary tables are reported in a manner consistent with the ANSI FL-1 standard for flashlight testing. Please see http://www.flashlightreviews.ca/FL1.htm for a discussion, and a description of all the terms used in these tables. Effective July 2012, I have updated all my Peak Intensity/Beam Distance measures with a NIST-certified Extech EA31 lightmeter (orange highlights).



    As you could tell from the beamshots, max overall output has increased from the original SC600-II (which was a class leader when it came out). Peak intensity throw/beam distance is as you would expect for this light (i.e., it is still not particularly throwy).

    Let's see how all the SC600 models do on my estimated lumen scale:



    Overall, my lumen estimates are pretty close to Zebralights specs (as usual). The lowest output modes seem lower than the specs would suggest, but that could be the calibration of my lightbox.

    As always, note my lumen estimation method is just that – an estimation based on the calibration of my lightbox. As such, don't get caught up on the absolute difference between lights or levels, as I can't guarantee absolute accuracy. Focus instead on the relative differences, as that is internally consistent across all my reviews.

    Output/Runtime Graphs:

    Normally, my runtimes are done on standard protected 18650 cells. None of these will fit in the light – and Zebralight recommends only using unprotected cells.

    Let's start with a comparison of the various modes on unprotected Samsung INR 20R (2000mAh), under my standard testing conditions (i.e., a cooling fan is used)




    You can see the PID-induced step-down on the highest level – and the variable output over time. The point of a PID (Proportional-Integral-Differential) controller is that they produce a lot of very finely discriminated steps in output. This will not be apparent to you in practice (i.e., they are too subtle to see), but my lightbox can indeed detect the precise thermal regulation introduced by the PID.

    At all other levels, the light is flat-stabilized, with defined step-downs only as the battery nears exhaustion.

    Let's see how max output compares to the SC600-II and SC62, on both Samsung INR and Panasonic NCR18650PF (2900mAh)



    As expected, the higher capacity Panasonic cells last longer. But the main difference is that the SC600-III is brighter initially than the SC600-II (which in turn was brighter than the SC62).

    To explore the PID in more detail, here is a comparison of the Max, Default and Min PID settings – both with and without external cooling applied.



    The first observation is that without cooling, the PID will cause a much greater drop in output after a few minutes runtime (as expected).

    In terms of adjusting the PID set level, it doesn't make much of a difference overall. Certainly under cooling, there is no difference between the Default and Max PID (as you might expect). At the Min PID setting, output is slightly lower.

    The main difference is under non-cooled runs (which are more representational of real life). Here, the PID setting controls how much the output drops (and thus, overall runtime). To put the traces above in perspective, the "steady-state" output of the non-cooled runs at 30 mins was about ~680 lumens for Max PID, ~620 lumens for the Default PID, and ~550 lumens for Min PID.

    Potential Issues

    Like its predecessor model, the new SC600-III is 1x18650 only (i.e., it doesn't take 2xCR123A or 2xRCR). However, unlike previous models, only unprotected 18650 batteries will fit and operate in the light. Any 18650 longer than ~66mm could be dented and damaged in the light. See discussion below.

    Switch timing takes a little getting used, if you aren’t already familiar with Zebralight.

    As with all lights with an electronic switch, potential accidental activation is a concern, and is the standby drain. In this case, the switch is recessed to limit the risk of inadvertent activation - and the standby drain is so low as to be completely negligible. Also, you can easily lock out the light completely by a simple twist of the tailcap.

    Preliminary Observations

    The SC600-III is a definite output upgrade to the earlier SC600-II, and tops out at over 1300 lumens from a single 18650.

    However, a likely controversial change is the shortening of the battery tube, preventing standard length protected 18650s from being used. Zebralight has confirmed to me that only unprotected 18650s are supported in the SC600-III.

    Apparently, a major design consideration was to accommodate future higher current-draw models in this build (e.g. the XHP50-based SC600Fd III Plus they recently added to their online google sheet). Multiple pogo pins are used to lower the resistance and the possibility of bad connections to the cells. And the Zebralight circuit can provide the same protections that integrated battery protection circuit do. They have thus decided to move to only supporting unprotected 18650s in this build (i.e., high-drain rated IMR and INR cells are expected to be used in the light).

    While I can understand this reasoning, it is still problematic if you do not have the right length unprotected cells. My ~65mm Samsung INR 20R and Panasonic NCR18650PF fit and work fine. But my 67.2mm Efest 2500mAh IMR cells (with the raised positive contact button) are too long to fit inside the light – you will dent and damage the cells if you try. Frankly, anything >66.0mm is a risk in the new SC600-III.

    The PID controller continues to work well in my testing – and it is interesting that they have provided a user-configurable option to adjust its baseline setting. In the case the of the SC600-III, the 5-degree up/down shift in set point resulted in +/- 10% change in steady-state non-cooled output (from the default setting). Most users probably won't bother adjusting, but it may be more relevant as higher output emitters start being used in this build (i.e. the XHP50).

    Output/runtime efficiency remains top-of-class for the SC600-III. Basically, the XHP35 emitter gives greater output for the same runtime as the SC600-II L2 on max. At lower levels, output/runtime performance is largely unchanged. As before, I quite like the low battery step-down feature (on all levels), as it means you will never get stuck with no light without warning. Regulation patterns remain excellent, in my view.

    A couple of Neutral White emitter options are available. My Cool White XHP35 sample actually has a somewhat warmer corona than most cool white emitters. Although the SC600-III has a slightly more focused hotspot, this is still more of a floody style of light.

    At the end of the day, the new SC600-III is noticeable output update over the SC600-II. However, the move to only support unprotected 18650s is something you will need to take into account. It should be interesting to see what happens when higher output emitters are used (i.e., the upcoming XHP50 model).

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    Default Re: Zebralight SC600-III (XHP35, 1x18650) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO and more

    Thanks for a great review and including the PID tests. I'm looking forward to that high CRI XHP50 (SC600Fd III Plus)
    GOOD TINT!

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    Thanks for the great review! 13k cd is a little better than I anticipated. I was really anxious to see this measured. I wonder if the HI model does any better. I wish they sent you one for comparison.

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    Default Re: Zebralight SC600-III (XHP35, 1x18650) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO and more

    A great read! Thanks, selfbuilt, for these outstanding reviews.
    Thanks, CPF!

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    Thanks, selfbuilt.
    Based on your experience with ZL lights and your current runtime tests, do you believe the light will achieve close to its advertised runtime of 33 hours at 70 lumens if the 3500mAh Panasonic GA cell is used?
    You and others like you might be the reason lights aren't better made. Buying new flashlights like others devoutly buying the next generation of smartphones, are you pushing innovation or just consumption? Wider head for even more throw. Wow. That's new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markr6 View Post
    Thanks for a great review and including the PID tests. I'm looking forward to that high CRI XHP50 (SC600Fd III Plus)
    Yes, that should be an interesting light. I'm curious as to how the PID will perform with something that runs brighter and hotter.

    Quote Originally Posted by recDNA View Post
    Thanks for the great review! 13k cd is a little better than I anticipated. I was really anxious to see this measured. I wonder if the HI model does any better. I wish they sent you one for comparison.
    I expect it would, but hard to know by how much. Most the throw gain with the regular XHP35 (relative to the old XM-L2) is likely due to the output boost - although I suspect the small footprint and dome on the XHP35 is contributing to the more defined edges of the hotspot now.

    Quote Originally Posted by scs View Post
    Based on your experience with ZL lights and your current runtime tests, do you believe the light will achieve close to its advertised runtime of 33 hours at 70 lumens if the 3500mAh Panasonic GA cell is used?
    Given my 2000mAh runtimes (18.6 hours), 33 hours is believable for 3500mAh. And judging from the specs online, those NCR18650GA should fit fine in the light.
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    Thank you for another excellent review.

    I like very much the UI of ZebraLight and have changed to ZebraLight for my Headlamp and other two most used flashlights (H600Fd III High CRI Floody Neutral White 18650), SC32 CR123 Flashlight, and SC600 Mk III 18650 XHP35 Flashlight Cool White. This makes the interface quit easy to use.

    I do like the choice of 65mm flat top battery, but this is not agreed by everyone.

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    In the immortal words and on unsolicited behalf of Ryp: Thanks for the review!

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    Thanks for the review!

    Does the SC600 III run on 2xCR123?

    The factory runtime specs are based on which battery and what capacity?

    Could you do a runtime test on a 3400mAh 18650 battery?

    Thank you!
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    Great review. I just received my HI version and I am super pleased. Best tint out of a ZL light I've owned. Bright as can be and great throw for the size. The PID works really nicely - as soon as you think the light is going to get just about too hot to handle it starts dropping and keeps the temperature right is check just below the discomfort zone.

    I have no issues with the battery decision - there's a whole other thread with a back and forth on that debate. I got the 3500mAh unprotected GA cell ZL is selling with the light and I am very happy with it.

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    Default Re: Zebralight SC600-III (XHP35, 1x18650) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO and more

    Thank you for, as usual, another superlative review!

    I've been waiting for your review before buying this light, and am now on the fence.

    You noted:
    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    The SC600 Mark III has a brighter hotspot, and is brighter overall (although that is hard to see in the beamshots above).
    Can you quantify how much apparent difference there is between the SC600-III, SC600-II, and SC62? Or do your throw/output numbers tell that story (i.e., 1.75x more lux@1m with 1.3x the throw of the SC62)?

    And how about subjective tint difference between these three lights?

    Thanks again for a brilliant review!
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    Default Re: Zebralight SC600-III (XHP35, 1x18650) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO and more

    Thanks for the review. It looks like ZebraLight are moving farther and farther away from the things I like about them.
    Well, it is saving me money anyways, so that's good.

    SC600 MKIb still my EDC and this Mk III is incompatible with all my batts, and has triple click to strobe - instead of triple click to low.
    Guess I won't be "upgrading".

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    BTW all, forgot to mention: Zebralight confirmed to me that the user-programmable PID feature has been standard on all PID models since late 2012. Apparently, it was just undocumented previously.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. LED View Post
    Does the SC600 III run on 2xCR123?
    Not as far as I know, no.

    The factory runtime specs are based on which battery and what capacity?
    Dunno any more than what is listed there in the specs, but I am presuming it is the 3500mAh NCR18650GA cells that Zebralight sells (in regions where you can ship batteries).

    Could you do a runtime test on a 3400mAh 18650 battery?
    Sorry, don't have any unprotected 3400mAh. I'm looking into seeing if I can get some of the NCR18650GA cells, but shipping to Canada is an issue for many places.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeFff View Post
    Can you quantify how much apparent difference there is between the SC600-III, SC600-II, and SC62? Or do your throw/output numbers tell that story (i.e., 1.75x more lux@1m with 1.3x the throw of the SC62)?
    The measures tell one aspect of the story .... but in practice, I find there is more of an "edge" to the hotspot on my SC600-III. Of course, that is a n=1 sample, so it's hard to know how much of that is just random focusing, and how much is due to the emitter.

    And how about subjective tint difference between these three lights?
    With the same caveat as above, the SC600-III is definitely the warmest of those 3.

    Quote Originally Posted by BWX View Post
    and has triple click to strobe - instead of triple click to low.
    Yeah, that change takes a little getting used to ... I wound up strobing myself a few more times that I would have liked in my testing. I preferred the triple click to low, personally.
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    Can you compare the switches on the three models?

    If feel that the SC600 III has a better feel to the switch than previous models. A little easier to press without being right on center. A little bit more travel. And, a little bit more feedback in the click.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    Not as far as I know, no.
    Then why would they change the voltage range to 2.7-6.0V? The SC600MKII and SC62 are only 2.7-4.2V and it's understandable that they don't support CR123s.
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    I sent an email to Zebralight yesterday, questioning about the battery.

    Here's the response:

    "Subject: SC600 MKIII and SC63 battery question

    Two CR123s are too long to fit inside the SC600 Mk III or SC63. Voltage is not an issue though.

    Sincerely,

    ZebraLight, Inc."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. LED View Post
    I sent an email to Zebralight yesterday, questioning about the battery.

    Here's the response:

    "Subject: SC600 MKIII and SC63 battery question

    Two CR123s are too long to fit inside the SC600 Mk III or SC63. Voltage is not an issue though.

    Sincerely,

    ZebraLight, Inc."
    Oh yeah I forgot about the length. I keep thinking 2x123 is the same as 1x18650. Thanks for checking.
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    Thx for the effort! Very good as always!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. LED View Post
    Then why would they change the voltage range to 2.7-6.0V? The SC600MKII and SC62 are only 2.7-4.2V and it's understandable that they don't support CR123s.
    Likely to support newer 4.35V Lithium Ion cells as well as to future proof for even higher voltage cells. It could also be useful in an emergency situation as the light could be rigged to run on 2 x CR123a.

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    Thanks for your review selfbuilt

    I suspect your cooling is insufficient to allow a difference between the H1 and M1 modes on your PID tests. It took a fan blowing on the H600Fd MKIII in -8C temps to stop the PID from kicking in even on this much lower output model. At room temps, even with the fan, the PID still reduced output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tachead View Post
    Likely to support newer 4.35V Lithium Ion cells as well as to future proof for even higher voltage cells. It could also be useful in an emergency situation as the light could be rigged to run on 2 x CR123a.
    Do a comparrison of Samsung INR18650-35E 3500mAh and LG 18650 E1 3200mAh 4.35 volts.
    http://lygte-info.dk/review/batterie...comparator.php

    Higher volts does not mean higher amp output.

    Also the ability to run to CR123a primary batteries would take a way the advantage of small length size. ZebraLight could make two versions of this light; one as is and another longer for those who want to run protected and Cr123a batteries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShineOnYouCrazyDiamond View Post
    Can you compare the switches on the three models?
    If feel that the SC600 III has a better feel to the switch than previous models. A little easier to press without being right on center. A little bit more travel. And, a little bit more feedback in the click.
    Yes, my SC600-III sample is not as "stiff" as the earlier SC600-II or SC62. Again, this is only one sample (and I don't know if it is representational). In my experience, the earlier ZL switches have had a firmer click (for the last several years at least). My SC600-III feels instead like a more "typical" electronic switch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. LED View Post
    Then why would they change the voltage range to 2.7-6.0V? The SC600MKII and SC62 are only 2.7-4.2V and it's understandable that they don't support CR123s.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tachead View Post
    Likely to support newer 4.35V Lithium Ion cells as well as to future proof for even higher voltage cells. It could also be useful in an emergency situation as the light could be rigged to run on 2 x CR123a.
    2xCR123A seems too long for the light - I expect you would dent the cells if you tried.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tachead View Post
    I suspect your cooling is insufficient to allow a difference between the H1 and M1 modes on your PID tests. It took a fan blowing on the H600Fd MKIII in -8C temps to stop the PID from kicking in even on this much lower output model. At room temps, even with the fan, the PID still reduced output.
    Yes - it's hard to see, but there is a definite step-down in output, even with fan cooling (at room temp). I don't know how cold you would have to go prevent the PID from kicking in (or reduce it further).
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    My question as well!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. LED View Post
    Then why would they change the voltage range to 2.7-6.0V? The SC600MKII and SC62 are only 2.7-4.2V and it's understandable that they don't support CR123s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecross View Post
    Do a comparrison of Samsung INR18650-35E 3500mAh and LG 18650 E1 3200mAh 4.35 volts.
    http://lygte-info.dk/review/batterie...comparator.php

    Higher volts does not mean higher amp output.

    Also the ability to run to CR123a primary batteries would take a way the advantage of small length size. ZebraLight could make two versions of this light; one as is and another longer for those who want to run protected and Cr123a batteries.
    I did not say it did. I was simply speculating why ZL upped the input voltage range.

    As for the advantage of small length, we are talking about less then 4mm here. I personally dont see that as a huge advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    Yes, my SC600-III sample is not as "stiff" as the earlier SC600-II or SC62. Again, this is only one sample (and I don't know if it is representational). In my experience, the earlier ZL switches have had a firmer click (for the last several years at least). My SC600-III feels instead like a more "typical" electronic switch.



    2xCR123A seems too long for the light - I expect you would dent the cells if you tried.


    Yes - it's hard to see, but there is a definite step-down in output, even with fan cooling (at room temp). I don't know how cold you would have to go prevent the PID from kicking in (or reduce it further).
    That's why I said "rigged in an emergency". 2xCR123a are definitely too long for this cell compartment size. A couple of rings of copper wire could easily jump the connection in an emergency however as the driver voltage range will support it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tachead View Post
    That's why I said "rigged in an emergency". 2xCR123a are definitely too long for this cell compartment size. A couple of rings of copper wire could easily jump the connection in an emergency however as the driver voltage range will support it.
    I would suspect this could be dangerous though if you ran it on H1. As the voltage from the batteries drops the light will ramp up the current, possibly to very unsafe levels for two primary CR123 cells.

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    Great review as always. A dealer website says there is an audible inductor whine on level H2A. What say you? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tachead View Post
    I did not say it did. I was simply speculating why ZL upped the input voltage range.

    As for the advantage of small length, we are talking about less then 4mm here. I personally dont see that as a huge advantage.
    I now carry the Mk 3 in a side pocket and a 4mm difference in length is much easier to carry than my older Mk 2; I notice the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    Yes - it's hard to see, but there is a definite step-down in output, even with fan cooling (at room temp). I don't know how cold you would have to go prevent the PID from kicking in (or reduce it further).
    I suppose you could submerge it in cold water along with some added icecubes to keep it near 0 degrees celcius along with some occasional stirring of the water. The torch being IPX7 rated should hold up to it for at least the 30 documented minutes and probably much longer. I don't know if this would mess with your measurement system though, but it would cool it better than ambient air + fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PieDemon View Post
    I suppose you could submerge it in cold water along with some added icecubes to keep it near 0 degrees celcius along with some occasional stirring of the water. The torch being IPX7 rated should hold up to it for at least the 30 documented minutes and probably much longer. I don't know if this would mess with your measurement system though, but it would cool it better than ambient air + fan.
    Or you could have NASA send a Mk 3 to outer space where the temperature is minus 455 degrees Fahrenheit, but it still would not help in using the flashlight on the highest output in daily use.

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