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    Hi there !

    I was looking on the web for some rechargeable batteries and I found that Ikea is now selling new batteries in my country (france)

    http://www.ikea.com/fr/fr/catalog/categories/departments/lighting/35165/


    It look also new on the US store http://www.ikea.com/us/en/search/?query=Batteries+%26+chargers

    It seems that they have 2 kind : High capacity and low capacity (last longer)

    They also offer a new kind of charger "Storhögen" for 12 AA/AAA

    My question is: what's your opinion of this stuff? Could it be a good option for cheap?

    Also, what can i expect in term of discharge rate when not used?

    Thank a lot guys!
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    I could have done a better design with their AA nimh rechargeable LADDA

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    Price on the Alkaline,s is good on the UK site. Happy days will pick some up next time in Warrington.
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    Not on the Canadian Site though. Oh well, but noticed their 12 cell charger but there aren't any spec's with it. But 12 cell all separate channels they say.

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    Actually, I'm a bit disappointed by this change. OK, there are now high capacity AA cells at 2450 mAh, but they have jumped up in price by at least 30% to € 6,50. And they are only rated at 500 charge cycles while the previous 2000 mAh cells proved more durable than that in a cycle test. The other end is now AA cells at 1000 mAh, so that's only half the previous capacity at a bit lower price.

    Anyway... the 2450 mAh cells have specs suspiciously like Eneloop Pro's. Sadly you can only see them from the side at the webpage, and you don't see which country they were made in (Japanese Ladda anyone?)

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    Here is the manual for the charger:
    http://www.ikea.com/fr/fr/manuals/storhogen-chargeur-de-piles-avec-boitier__AA-1831661-2_pub.pdf

    So, 12 hours to charge the 2450mah battery, that's pretty long.

    and yeah you're right, really looks like eneloop pro spec. (way more cheaper!)

    Does the "ready to use" label mean low self discharge rate?

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    Thanks for the links!

    Interesting they come out with a lower capacity version as well.

    I wonder if they changed supplier or just the branding design.

    In Australia, we have these Laddas currently. The older one was all green and not LSD, but these silver and green ones are definitely LSD


    http://www.ikea.com/au/en/catalog/products/00240585/

    They are also marked "ready to use" and are 2000mAh AAs and the 750mAh AAAs. From my testing they are usually higher than the stated capacity - the 2000mAh AAs are around 2100 mAh, and the AAAs are between 800-900mAh.

    They are also LSD. After about 6 months, my test set of AAs lost about 20%. I forgot to do the 12 month test.

    I hope the new ones come to Australia, but our Ikea is a bit slow in getting some products. We changed from the older non-LSD Ladda batteries only about 1-2 years ago.

    I like the look of the new 2xAA USB charger



    http://www.ikea.com/fr/fr/catalog/products/40303632/

    I'm always looking for USB chargers to use with my portable solar panels. But the manual says that for 2450mAh AAs, it will take 12 hours to charge, so is also quite a slow charger.

    Hopefully that VINNINGE model also comes to Australia and I can test it out.

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    Hell yeah 12 hours that is sooooo long! Which portable solar panel do you have? i'm also intested in buying one

    Yesterday i kept searching informations on the new ikea batteries and i found this thread:

    http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/910897#comment-910897

    Of what they say there is a good chance fujitsu, eneloop and ladda batteries come from the same factory....

    So maybe a good opportunity!

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    Quote Originally Posted by X_dead3 View Post
    Hell yeah 12 hours that is sooooo long! Which portable solar panel do you have?\
    I have a few USB solar panels:


    • Goal Zero Nomad 7W (2012 model)
    • Goal Zero Nomad 13W (2012 model)
    • Instapark Mercury 10W

    and two recent lighter weight panels

    • Sunkingdom 6.5W
    • Blitzwolf 20W


    The newer ones I mentioned in this thread:

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...=1#post4848366

    I mainly use them when camping/hiking.

    Thanks for the link to BLF thread on the new Ikea Ladda. It is cool that they could be cheap Eneloop pros. Especially for us in Australia as we only get the Chinese Made Eneloops now.

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    OK, so they are indeed made in Japan... and from what I know, FDK is the only Japanese manufacturer of LSD batteries, so I'm pretty sure by now that these are the same cells as Amazon Basic Black, "Duraloops", Eneloop Pro and black Fujitsu. For that they are really cheap... just wish they had a lower-capacity version rated at 2100 cycles as well. Because, being the same, they will probably yield the same cycle life, which unfortunately according to Power Me Up's tests is only a third of that of the old Ladda's.

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    Thanks keithy, I will have a look on it.

    http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_CA/img/pdf...il_news_en.pdf

    Pages 51-54

    Well, with all those informations and a low price I think i'm gonna give it a try ! Charger + batteries

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    They are indeed made in Japan.
    I've see them at ikea Switzerland at 6.95Sfr the AA and 4.95SFr the AAA




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    This is great news for Australians in our FDK Eneloop free country. Of course, it'll probably taken ages for Ikea to start selling these in Australia!

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    Went to IKEA and bought these...

    these are made in Japan according to packaging and on battery. did a quick physical comparisons with Eneloop Pro, these do look and feel like Eneloop Pro.
    they are going at less than half the price of Eneloop Pro retailed.
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    So now we have Ikealoops, that's great.
    Need to pick up a package or two.

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    Looks like they've hit Canada now. Although higher price it still cheaper than others.

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    A few comparison pictures to share...






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    Thanks for the comparison pics! Really hope they come to Australia soon..

    It only took our Ikeas about 2 years to get the LSD green/silver Laddas in stock after you guys in Europe had them! And even then they were trying sneaky things to sell the old non-LSD all green Laddas at my local Ikeas in Melbourne - they hid the new LSD ones on bottom shelves behind old battery boxes and had the older non-LSD which were more expensive than the new LSD ones on the top shelves.

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    Did 2 quick discharge tests on the AA-pack LADDA LSD...

    Using MAHA C9000 to perform 2 tests, initial (new from pack) discharge and Refresh & Analyze cycle.

    Initial discharged results:
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    Cell 1 >> 1784mAh
    Cell 2 >> 1814mAh
    Cell 3 >> 1806mAh
    Cell 4 >> 1797mAh
    Cell 1 and 2 discharged @ 500mA, Cell 3 and 4 discharged @ 1A.


    R&A results:
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    Cell 1 >> 2418mAh
    Cell 2 >> 2444mAh
    Cell 3 >> 2443mAh
    Cell 4 >> 2445mAh
    All cells recharge @ 1A and discharge @ 500ma.

    Result looks good.
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    I've bought too a set of ladda AA.

    Charge/discharge at 1A:
    First discharge:
    1693mAh
    1703mAh
    1685mAh
    1670mAh


    Second discharge after a full charge (termination set -dv@1mv):
    2404mAh
    2416mAh
    2389mAh
    2403mAh


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    Thanks for sharing your tests!

    According the datasheet I have for the Panasonic Cell Type BK-3HCC (Eneloop Pro AA), typical capacity is 2550mAh, and minimum capacity is 2450mAh. Those specs are based on testing under these conditions:

    Charge : 250mA x 16h, Discharge : 500mA(E.V.=1.0V) at 25deg.C

    Given the higher charge and discharge rates used in your tests, your results are probably in the same ball park. I am not a battery expert, however, so perhaps someone who knows more than I will have something to add.
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    You are right, higher discharge current leads to slightly lower capacity.
    To compare our results you can see here the HJK review of the eneloop pro. At 1A he gets the same capacity as me (2401mAh). I'm now 99% sure that these cells are eneloop pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt_Woloch View Post
    you don't see which country they were made in
    Actually, if you look carefully at the picture of the AAA version on Ikea's website, you can see the words "Made in Japan".

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    For Australian CPF members - these new Ikea Ladda (Ikealoops) have finally made it to our Ikeas.

    They have not been updated on the websites yet, but the prices for four AA/AAA packs are:

    Eastern States:

    • AA 2450 mAh $9.99
    • AA 1000 mAh $4.99



    • AAA 900 mAh $8.99
    • AAA 500 mAh $4.49


    WA/SA (haven't been able to confirm pricing on all the varieties yet):

    • AA 2450 mAh $10.90
    • AAA 900 mAh $5.95


    So great value for Japanese rebadged Eneloops pros and Eneloop Lites!

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    Quote Originally Posted by keithy View Post
    For Australian CPF members - these new Ikea Ladda (Ikealoops) have finally made it to our Ikeas.

    They have not been updated on the websites yet, but the prices for four AA/AAA packs are:

    Eastern States:

    • AA 2450 mAh $9.99
    • AA 1000 mAh $4.99



    • AAA 900 mAh $8.99
    • AAA 500 mAh $4.49


    WA/SA (haven't been able to confirm pricing on all the varieties yet):

    • AA 2450 mAh $10.90
    • AAA 900 mAh $5.95


    So great value for Japanese rebadged Eneloops pros and Eneloop Lites!
    That's excellent news. Now I just need a good excuse to go to IKEA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by keithy View Post
    For Australian CPF members - these new Ikea Ladda (Ikealoops) have finally made it to our Ikeas.
    Thanks Keithy...Perfect timing, was on the look out for some new batteries, and stumbled on this thread!

    Headed straight to Ikea last night and grabbed a bunch of these new ones as well as that new charger.

    So, for those in Melbourne; Richmond Ikea had plenty of AA & AAA's (all capacities) but only had 2 chargers left.

    All is well so far, and if anyone wants to know anything not already outlined above ask away (not that i think i'll bring too much to the table!)

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    Battery 1: 2508 mAh
    Battery 2: 2508 mAh
    Battery 3: 2508 mAh
    Battery 4: 2508 mAh

    Is what my calibrated/adjuste SkyRC MC3000 returns, after >= 3 cycles of 1.0V (load) discharge and 0dv charge, as capacity values for the Ikea Ladda 703.038.76 23076 9 NLD 1639. My guess this "1639" is the production datecode YYWW, so 2016 week 39. These Ladda's were purchased January 2017 in The Netherlands. The code I mention is where Henrik's photo lists "1543":


    The charge/discharge energy efficiency was:
    - 2.973 / + 3.676 = 80.88%
    - 3.049 / + 3.694 = 82.54%
    - 3.038 / + 3.707 = 81.95%
    - 3.050 / + 3.644 = 83.70%

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    I am trying to run some unaccelerated cycle testing on the Ikea Ladda 2450 AA batteries, with recommended slow 245 mA -> 0.25A charging current.

    To match the recommended 16 hours of charging, 16h x 245mA = 3920mAh, a 3900 mAh capacity limit has been programmed into the NiMH charging profile of the MC3000.

    First I tried terminating with -2 mV delta V. That resulted in capacity cuts (due to over charging).
    Then I reduced to -1 mV delta V charge termination. Then still 1 out of 4 Ladda 2450 AA batteries were terminated due to "charging capacity of 3900 mAh reached" (I guess).

    That is why I ended up terminating at 0dV.

    Is my math correct, or should I use a different battery capacity value in this slow cycle testing?

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