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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogokansatsukan View Post
    just don't see any green in it at all.
    I apologize for suggesting otherwise.
    I defer to your actual experience,
    Im only commenting based on the photos I see on my screen, and clearly they don't reflect what you see in actual use.

    will try not to tintjack your thread again
    congrats on the awesome builds!

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    Woehoe! My 219c delivery is scheduled for today. Just in time for the weekend

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon_slider View Post
    I apologize for suggesting otherwise.
    I defer to your actual experience,
    Im only commenting based on the photos I see on my screen, and clearly they don't reflect what you see in actual use.

    will try not to tintjack your thread again
    congrats on the awesome builds!
    No no no. Don't worry. The photo's definitely make it look green and this isn't my thread. It's the HDS thread so anything HDS goes... goes well with a little rum! It seems cameras and lights do odd things. So do I with rum!
    This one I took with the 5000K and 4000K, but then, the white balance on the phone thing... but it is very close to what I see in person.
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    Big thanks for bringing in the sphere data !
    Pure white rum there!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogokansatsukan View Post
    The 3 O'clock High is done. Finished. Put to bed. RIP.
    Now I can afford to have the 219c 5700K put on boards, potted in heads, and see what they will actually do on a sphere.
    I'm regretting waiting too long to jump on the 5000. Wonder how quickly the 5700 will sell out. Will there be more than 24?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogokansatsukan View Post
    This is taken right from the integrating sphere. The E is totally neutral (noon day sun) and the crosshairs are where the 5000K 219c hi CRI is on the scale taken from an HDS light built with that LED (through the ultra clear glass lens, standard reflector, and with a silver bezel). You can see from the sphere data that it is incredibly close to the holy grail I have been looking for... as in pure white. When I use this light, I don't see any green myself. Just white with a slight touch of warm, but very little warm to it.
    It makes me wonder if peoples eyes might vary some in the perception of color... like red and green color blindness, or if some eyes are more acute to certain colors. I just don't know. I just don't see any green in it at all.
    Can there be variances between emitters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by djj View Post
    I'm regretting waiting too long to jump on the 5000. Wonder how quickly the 5700 will sell out. Will there be more than 24?
    Only 24 of the 5K. That has been said.

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    My 5k just arrived. No green at all! Just creamy white beam
    Can't wait for dark to come. Unfortunately I've to work till 2330PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by kj2 View Post
    Only 24 of the 5K. That has been said.
    Hogo hasn't said much about the 5700K, that's what I'm wondering about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djj View Post
    Hogo hasn't said much about the 5700K, that's what I'm wondering about.

    I don't think they are assembled yet so maybe this explains that?

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    Let's get a run of 4500's going. I don't go outside at noon :yes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tejasandre View Post
    Let's get a run of 4500's going. I don't go outside at noon :yes:
    I debated going for the 4000k, but figured I like the current 219b so much the 219c doesn't offer anything at warmer temperatures other than a yellower tint.
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    Default Re: HDS Systems EDC # 19

    Quote Originally Posted by djj View Post
    I'm regretting waiting too long to jump on the 5000. Wonder how quickly the 5700 will sell out. Will there be more than 24?
    Quote Originally Posted by kj2 View Post
    Only 24 of the 5K. That has been said.
    Looks like you may have missed his question. He's wondering about numbers for the not yet completed 5700k, not the already depleted 5k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djj View Post
    I'm regretting waiting too long to jump on the 5000. Wonder how quickly the 5700 will sell out. Will there be more than 24?
    I'm hoping they will be ready in 3 weeks to a month. There will be 24 however if these make
    status and they are popular, I may be able to do another run of them.
    There is no point building more than 24 to start with when we don't know what the real life out the front data is going to be.
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    My goodness..
    "Do yourself a favor, pick up an HDS Rotary and EDC it for a week.. -You can thank me later."

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    It's very nice of you to make up all these choices for us Hogo. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogokansatsukan View Post
    It seems cameras and lights do odd things...
    This one I took with the 5000K and 4000K, but then, the white balance on the phone thing... but it is very close to what I see in person.
    Thanks, awesome creamy white, N219c, great photo :-),
    is that a 4k XPL on the right?
    it would also be great to see a third beam from an N219b 4000k added

    I recently bought 3 N219b 5000k lights, but the LED tint had none of the Pink I had expected from owning Lumintop N219b 4500k Tool, and Worm.. It seems actually, there is a large variation in Nichia tint.. here are 3 identical lights, all N219b 5000k


    and here on the right is an N219b 4000k for reference


    point being even nichias vary from green to yellow to purple to pink.
    With the wide variation in LED specs and tints,
    We are very lucky to have Henry on our LED selection committee ;-)

    The more I learn, the more I realize how very fortunate we are to be able to buy lights that Henry builds, pouring heart and soul into them. Thanks for helping me learn more about the HDS line.
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    Default Re: HDS Systems EDC # 19

    Could leave work early yesterday, so had the chance to compare, uhmm play, with my two hicri lights. The difference between the 219b 4k and 219c 5k is soo large. With the 4k, darker (brown) colours really pop in my eyes while the 5k gives it more the natural look. Of the two, I prefer the 5k tint.

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    The 5K did look nice in beamshots.

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    It's all personal preference. I prefer 4000K in use. Much more pleasant.

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    I find it depends on use and output. I like warmer tints indoors for low output and up close work, more neutral for higher output outside stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by indigon View Post
    My bad, I had been using a Lee 1/8 minus-green and not the 1/4 minus-green, had mixed them up.

    Here is left to right. (white balance off).
    (my old camera is showing more blue than my eyes see).

    1) 200 4k 219b (no filter)
    2) 250 XP-G2 #162 pale amber filtered
    3) 200 5k 219c #279 1/8 minus-green filtered


    Quick very unscientific runtime test of the 3 lights above, using the wall clock.
    (Basically 3 beams around the big screen when forced to watch chick-flicks the other night..)
    (Haven't heard the end of that yet..)

    AW IMR 16340, 550 mAh
    Note: on Max (burst on) the 250 got warm but never hot, the 4k 219b got slightly warm & 5k 219c stayed cool.
    (Lights were shut down when double flash battery warning occurred).


    ...


    250 XP-G2 Rotary V3 (Lvl 20)
    3hr-18m Started step-down..
    3hr-36m Double flash (Lvl 6-7) (est.)


    Max (Lvl 24 - Burst On, drops 1 Lvl after 40sec)
    54m Started step-down..
    1hr-02m Double flash (Lvl 6-7) (est.)


    ...


    200 4k 219b Rotary V4 (Lvl 20)
    3hr-54m Started step-down..
    4hr-02m Double flash (Lvl 6-7) (est.)


    Max (Lvl 24 - Burst On, drops 1 Lvl after 40sec)
    1hr-06m Started step-down..
    1hr-15m Double flash (Lvl 6-7) (est.)


    ...


    200 5k 219c Rotary V4 (Lvl 20)
    4hr-00m Started step-down..
    4hr-08m Double flash (Lvl 6-7) (est.)


    Max (Lvl 24 - Burst On, drops 1 Lvl after 40sec)
    1hr-11m Started step-down..
    1hr-19m Double flash (Lvl 6-7) (est.)


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    Last edited by indigon; 05-20-2017 at 11:46 AM.
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    Interesting. I expected a much bigger difference between the Nichias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by indigon View Post
    Quick very unscientific runtime test of the 3 lights above, using the wall clock.
    Thanks :-)

    IF the lumens are accurate
    Xpg2 250x62= 258 lumen hours
    N219b 200x75=250
    N219c 200x79=263 (5% more than n219b)

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    That was the first time I watched the step-down process all the way through.
    The 8-10 minute step-down warning window is pure genius.
    Note that the 200 5k seemed to have the most useable light remaining at double-flash, I'm guessing because of the whiter beam.

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    Default Re: HDS Systems EDC # 19

    Quote Originally Posted by indigon View Post
    That was the first time I watched the step-down process all the way through.
    The 8-10 minute step-down warning window is pure genius.
    That feature alone is what has kept my other lights in storage and an HDS in my pocket for at least the last year now. I never pull a dead light from my pocket, and if you're using the light, a quick tap starts the timer all over again.
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    Great info Ron, thanks for sharing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozythemandias View Post
    I debated going for the 4000k, but figured I like the current 219b so much the 219c doesn't offer anything at warmer temperatures other than a yellower tint.
    From my experience, 219c is always whiter than 219b. I have both b&c in 4000k and c is whiter. C doesn't seem to have the characteristics most have come to love of past nichia's.



    @jonslider: i imagine even the nichia's are like any other emitter. Each bin still has a range of possible tint colors. This was explained to me by another light maker but i don't remember how to word it properly.

    You basically would want the highest rated bin and you could get a certain amount of emitters from that bin and batch to have the same tint color. However you could get the same bin later but a different batch and the tint color would be different.

    I think this is why you have 3 of the same lights with 3 different tint colors. Maybe someone can explain it better than I.

    I have nichias and even cree emitters from different manufacturers with the same temps, but they all have different tint colors. I'm sure with all your learning, studies, experience you probably already know more about this than I do.



    I probably should have picked up one of the 5k's but i hesitated. I feel that the 5700k will be a bit much for my liking but we will see.

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    I also agree that this is very great of Hogo to offer these limited runs thank you for your selfish quest!

    And equally great for Henry to be willing to work with Hogo on these

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    Was doing some playing... I mean serious scientific study with a fellow flashoholic yesterday. Did some serious white wall hunting (I need to take mine to a taxidermist. Meat tasted like plaster). Anyway, found a light that appeared close to the color of the 5000k HDS. Then when comparing the two on a bookcase with several leather bound books, the difference was amazing. The second light was not high cri. White wall made them look close, but add color to the equation, and the 5000k really "shined"!
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