Recommend me a single mode 18350 momentary light, with ~150-200 lumen output

S3Rc51

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Hi all, newly registered but have landed on the forum here via Google many times. Can't seem to find exactly what I'm looking for via search, so I'm throwing in the towel and asking for some advice. In searching I keep finding lights that are either way too bright or way too many modes. I'm admittedly very ignorant when it comes to the parts required to build my own light, but am absolutely open to that if someone is so kind as to point my in the right direction.

Looking for an ultra small and lightweight 18350 light. I'll include the full checklist below, but essentially I'm looking for:

Atleast semi-robust quality. Doesn't need to go to war, but will be banged around.

Prefer single mode, with output around the 150-200 lumen mark. As far as light temperature, I'm thinking something 5-6000k range would be fine.

Momentary on tail cap. A good firm press forward clicky would be fine, but include suggestions for momentary only as well. Would like the button to be shrouded if possible, and large.

Run time isnt a huge concern, but more the merrier.

Crenulated bezel would be a plus, but not necesary.

Checklist below. Thanks in advance for any help!


==================Flashlight Recommendation Checklist================

1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?

____I would like to purchase the light in person from a brick and mortar store. I am located in ______________.
__X__This will be mail-order or Online (location doesn't matter).


2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :)

__X__I don't know yet
____Up to $25.
____Up to $50.
__X__Up to $100.
____Up to $200.
____Up to $300.
____Essentially unlimited.


3) Format:

____I am not sure, please help me decide.
__X__I want a flashlight (hand held/self contained).
____I want a self-contained headlamp.
____I want a headlamp with an external pack/power source.
____I want a mounted light (typically for a bicycle or vehicle)
____I want a lantern/area light.
____I want a portable spotlight (it may have an external power source).
____Other ____________________________________________


4) Size:

____MICRO - Keychain size.
__X__TINY - Every day carry (2-4 inches).
____SMALL - Every day carry (4-7 inches).
____MEDIUM - Holster/belt ring carry. (>7 inches)
____LARGE - Big enough to need its own travel case.
____I don't know/I don't care.


5) Emitter/Light source:

__X__LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)
____Incandescent (known for superior color rendition)
____HID (known for max output, but often at the expense of size)
____I don't know.


6) Manufacturer:

__X__I want to buy a light from a large/traditional manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.
__X__I would like a light from a specialty manufacturer (Possibly limited run/Custom).
__X__I am interested in assembling my own components. (for example a "host" or flashlight body from one manufacturer, and a "drop-in" emitter from another source).


7) What power source do you want to use?

____I intend to use "Primary"/Disposable Alkaline batteries based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
____I intend to use "Primary"/Disposable Lithium batteries based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D and CR123 sized cells common to most stores (often a cold weather or long storage choice).
____I intend to use Rechargeable cells (NiMH or NiCD) based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
__X__I intend to use Rechargeable cells based on less common formats (18500 or 18650 Li-Ion, RCR123, et-al).
____I want a light with an integrated rechargeable battery pack.
____I don't know/I need more information on power sources.

7a) If you have selected a rechargeable option
____I want a light that plugs directly into the wall (literally with prongs built into the light)
____I want a light that has a recharging adapter (your typical "wall wart")
____I want a light that snaps into a cradle (usually mounted on a wall)
__X__I want a separate/stand-alone charger (this involves removing the batteries to charge)
____I don't care


8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is not a happy experience).

____I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (1-10 lumens).
____I want an indoor "blackout" light (15-50 lumens)
__X__I want to confidently walk around an unlit/unpaved rural area (60-150 lumens).
__X__I want to illuminate my entire backyard or a campsite (150-300 lumens).
____I want to illuminate an entire field, the neighbor's front yard several houses down, impress my friends and neighbors, etc. (300-700 lumens).
____I want search and rescue type illumination (800+ lumens).

____SPECIAL NOTE: Burst/Turbo mode Category - There are several lights that will run at a super bright maximum for a very limited period (usually 5-10 minutes) and then will "step-down" to a lower level for thermal control. Check here if this is acceptable.


9) Flood vs Throw: Flood covers an area, Throw reaches out to a distance.

____All Flood: I am doing "arms length" tasks like reading and campsite cooking.
__X__Wide Flood: I want a defined flood area for semi-close tasks like after-dark campsite tasks or working on a car.
__X__Narrow Flood: I want a sharply defined flood area that will project some distance for tasks like trail walking.
____Wide Throw: I want a beam with a noticeable hot-center for distance throw and a significant amount of "side-spill". Good for rough trail hiking, search and rescue, and general distance work.
____Narrow Throw: I want a beam with a very tight "hot center" and minimal "side-spill". Good for distance viewing, fog, and looking through dense undergrowth.
____Turbohead: I want a far-distance projector with a sharply focused spot of light and minimal or zero side-spill. Good for extreme distance and impressing your friends.

9a) Distance: How far away will you typically need to see with this light (check all that apply)
____Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
____Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
__X__5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
____30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
____50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)
____150+ yards (I am searching from a helicopter)

10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum continuous output).

____Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
__X__30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
____90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
____3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).




11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights.

____Not Important (A "night-stand" light).
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood).
__X__Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
__X__Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).
____I don't know.


12) Switch Size, Type, and location (choose all that apply):

____Any size switch will do.
__X__I need a BIG switch (I'll be using gloves or have very large hands or coordination issues).
__X__I want a forward clicky (Helpful for momentary activation and signaling).
____I want a reverse clicky (For use with multi-mode/level lights).
__X__I want a momentary switch (Predominantly for use with signaling and short bursts of momentary light only).
____I want a twisty switch (Tighten the head/tailcap to activate, and the light will stay on until the head/tailcap is loosened).
____I want a body mounted switch (near the head, like on a Maglite).
__X__I want a tail mounted switch (found on the majority of today's high end lights).
____I want a remote switch (usually found on high-end bicycle headlights)
____I don't care.
____I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________________.


13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.

__X__A simple on-off with only one output level is fine for me.
____I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a programmable light.
____I want a selector ring.
____I want a strobe mode. (Oscillating pattern to confuse/blind aka "Police Mode")
____I want SOS mode. (blinks in ---...--- emergency pattern)
____I want a beacon mode. (Regular flashes at full power to show location.)
____I don't care.
____I don't know.


14)Material/Finish/Coating

____Plastic/composite body (this may limit your choices significantly).
__X__Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today's higher end flashlights).
____Stainless steel (durable, but much heavier than aluminum)
__X__Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).
____I don't care.
____I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________.

15) Water resistance
____None needed
__X__IPX4 (Splash resistant)
__X__IPX7 (Waterproof to 1 meter/30min)
____IPX8 (Submersible to greater than 1 meter for 4 hours)

16) Storage conditions
____In house (temperature/climate controlled environment)
__X__Emergency kit (long standby periods)
__X__Automobile glove-box (wide temperature swings, long standby periods, critical reliability)
____Other_________________________________________ ____


17) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any/all below.

____Red filter (for preserving night vision).
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________).
____Dedicated R/G/B secondary LEDs.
____"Hybrid" light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Pocket/belt clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
__X__Crenulated bezel
____Non-sparking, Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
 

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Check out a PK PR1, designed by Paul Kim, who was the designer at Surefire when they were Surefire. It looks just like what you are looking for. I think they are or will be on Amazon for under 100 us.
Here's a thread...
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?418239-Paul-Kim-s-PK-PR1
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Edit: Sorry, no shrouded switch. I'd ask in the thread about 18350 cells. It says RCR123 not sure about Lithion. Bykfixer will know. Anything he rates has got to be good.
 
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S3Rc51

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Check out a PK PR1, designed by Paul Kim, who was the designer at Surefire when they were Surefire. It looks just like what you are looking for. I think they are or will be on Amazon for under 100 us.
Here's a thread...
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?418239-Paul-Kim-s-PK-PR1
P
Edit: Sorry, no shrouded switch. I'd ask in the thread about 18350 cells. It says RCR123 not sure about Lithion. Bykfixer will know. Anything he rates has got to be good.

I could live without the shrouded switch, but would rather have it. Major problem I have with that one, assuming it could use 18350's, is the multiple brightness modes. Only way i would consider multiple brightness levels is if it has some sort of memory to stay on the last used setting. Appreciate the suggestion though.
 

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Over your 100 dollar budget, but an Elzetta Alpha will hit the spot and runs on 16340 cells.
I've also used and gifted the first generation Armytek C! which runs on Primaries and rechargeables. The newer gen ones are far too complex for tactical use, but you can still find the first gen if you look around.
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There are many 16340 lights that will take RCR123 batteries, but most won't also take 18350s.

I know of two hosts that will take 18350s.
Solarforce L2M has a split body. That will take a 18350 if you remove one section.
Then you'll have to get a P60 drop in to your specs.
I am sure that you could get a forward clicky if not a momentary on.

Or a Convoy S2+
You can select tint and how hard it is driven, right off the shelf.
Their standard driver has 5% 40% and 100% outputs but with memory.
If you select one driven at 1400 ma, and use medium output, you'd drive the XM-L2 emitter at 560ma, which should give you about 210 LED lumens, which will be a little less out the front, putting you in your 150-200 lumens mark.

It comes with a reverse clicky tail switch, which is easily removable with snap ring plyers. The retaining ring is left handed thread, so you turn it clockwise to remove it.

It is a HGJ-16 switch.

I believe that this is a HGJ-16 forward clicky switch that you can swap in.
search fasttech for this.... 1576100-clicky-switch-for-1-aa-1-18650-led-flashlight

The S2+ can be had in different colors too!
black red green blue gray

See on the left a red one with a short body 3 3/8th inches long.
That's 18350... shorty.... 18650... standard S2+


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S3Rc51

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For some reason none of my replies have shown up. I'll look into those suggestions, thanks guys.
 

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I don't see any posts from you in the moderation queue or in the deleted posts list. Maybe a technical problem with your device?
 

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I don't see any posts from you in the moderation queue or in the deleted posts list. Maybe a technical problem with your device?

Possible, idk. Found this one, with the short body, among about 20 other choices with the same body, lol. This one said it had memory, and temperature is in a good range. But then under model it has about 136 options, and I have no idea what any of it means. Is this where I should be looking for 1400ah?? And even then,theres atleast a dozen of those. If you could point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it. I understand electrical theory and such, but all these letters and numbers mean nothing to me.

https://m.fasttech.com/products/0/10002364/2222901-convoy-s2-1-cree-xm-l2-t6-3b-996lm-2-group-3-5
 

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Possible, idk. Found this one, with the short body, among about 20 other choices with the same body, lol. This one said it had memory, and temperature is in a good range. But then under model it has about 136 options, and I have no idea what any of it means. Is this where I should be looking for 1400ah?? And even then,theres atleast a dozen of those. If you could point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it. I understand electrical theory and such, but all these letters and numbers mean nothing to me.

https://m.fasttech.com/products/0/10002364/2222901-convoy-s2-1-cree-xm-l2-t6-3b-996lm-2-group-3-5

Yes, you are in the right area.
you'll want
S2+ T6-3B 1400ma
or maybe the
S2+ T6-4C 1400ma
In the long or short version.
What the letters mean.
U1 U2 and U3 are increasingly brighter but cooler tints
The T6 are brighter than T5, but not quite as bright as the U series.

-3B -4C -1A are the color tints, you can find a color chart

There are some nice color pictures in this thread to show the difference.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...oy-Lights-Option-Comparison-Tables-and-Images
 

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10-4. Thanks for the crash course man, really appreciate it.

Also, while I'm here, I'll share some info I found via a review on Mtn Electronics, may help someone who finds this thread later. Apparently a surefire m951 tail switch will fit the s2+, just need an extension to make contact. Guy says he used the large spring from a P60 drop in. I'll be looking into that as well.
 

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The Convoy is a good idea. Built one for my cousin last year. It's a godd solid host. Me being me, I put a Direct Drive on High driver into it. It was seriously bright, the body handles the heat well.
In a more conservative guise I guess it would serve you well.
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Glad to help :)

You have learned a lot in a couple of days :thumbsup:

Yes sir. Seems like things ways end up that way for me...think I don't have the time/interest, then end up researching it and going all in, lol.
 

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The Convoy is a good idea. Built one for my cousin last year. It's a godd solid host. Me being me, I put a Direct Drive on High driver into it. It was seriously bright, the body handles the heat well.
In a more conservative guise I guess it would serve you well.
P

Yup, I think I'm just gonna buy one of those with the memory, and try and replace the button with a forward clicky. If I go with the surefire button, I'll be doing a little more reading and switching to a single mode.
 
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