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    According to the Olight Store the length of the S-Mini is 2.5 in. or 54.5mm. 54.5mm equals 2.15 in. Which is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky Duck View Post
    According to the Olight Store the length of the S-Mini is 2.5 in. or 54.5mm. 54.5mm equals 2.15 in. Which is it?
    I guess their store has a typo. Their website says 2.15 in. / 54.5mm. 2.5 in. which would make the S Mini longer than the 2.4 in. S1 which it's clearly not heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarHalo View Post
    Surprise! (and I would have included the Neutral, but there's nothing on its packaging indicating what it is..)

    Looks like new.


    The aa is neutral, beutiful tint. I had to mod the cr123 version myself to get neutral....

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    S mini is still huge compared with foursevens attemt to make a mini light. The atom AL at 48,3 mm. He could still shave off some mm if he removed the keychain attatchment and magnet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarHalo View Post
    Surprise! (and I would have included the Neutral, but there's nothing on its packaging indicating what it is..)
    I'm not sure what you think the surprise is. I knew that 4/7s sometimes produced lights in Neutral and Warm, because I *own* several of them, and owned others that I no longer have. I have both Quarks and Mini AAs in Neutral and Warm.

    Nonetheless, 4/7s never made NW and WW a standard option, available across the whole line. It was always a special offer, only on certain models, or a limited run, not always in stock. In the case of the Quarks, for instance, all of my NW lights were offered only in the Tactical configuration, which I liked much less than the standard configuration where you have access to all modes.

    Go to their website right now, and what you will find is almost entirely cool white lights.

    What you *won't* find is an option on every light saying "do you want this in CW or NW"? That's what e.g. ZL does--on every light, they give you that option, and on some lights they give you one or two more options for high CRI.

    So maybe 4/7s will offer the new Mini Mk II in NW as well as CW, as a standard option, from the very start--I hope they will!

    But that has not been their pattern. Their old pattern was to sell a lot of Cool Whites for the mass market, and then after a year or so offer a limited run of NWs for the specialists.

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    XP-L Led?

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    I might be in. This looks great. I still use my 1XAA mini and 2XAA mini but considering this in 1xCR123.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lampeDépêche View Post
    Ouch--that's a sore point. For reasons best known to them, 4/7s has never been a big supporter of neutral tints or high-CRI lights. They always seemed to go for cools whites and maximum lumens, tint be damned.
    Foursevens was one of the first main-stream manufacturers to even provide this option. To this day, many manufacturers – Fenix, Jetbeam, Nitecore – provide few, if any, high-CRI or warm-tint options.

    David has explained repeatedly that this is an economic necessity — they invariably loose money on these runs. Some members clamor very loudly for the warm / high-CRI emitters, but few buy them.

    Foursevens may not offer numerous emitters on every light, but this is far from a valid criticism.
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    I will not hold my breath waiting for a NW offering from Foursevens, nor high-CRI. I presume that this light is using CW XM-L2, with optics similar to those that Olight has used on recent S1 Baton lights... which sounds pretty good to me. If I'm reading the blurb correctly, it will include a true Moonlight mode and a non-PWM driver. Sounds even better. The only thing that worries me is the clip design, the way it rests against the knurled part of the head... which you need to twist repeatedly to operate the light. It seems like that will make for a 'grating' UI

    Well, at least the clip looks to be removable. If so, I'm in for one.

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    Very interested in this. I'll most likely get one if it isn't priced too high

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    Quote Originally Posted by jag-engr View Post
    Foursevens was one of the first main-stream manufacturers to even provide this option. To this day, many manufacturers – Fenix, Jetbeam, Nitecore – provide few, if any, high-CRI or warm-tint options.

    David has explained repeatedly that this is an economic necessity — they invariably loose money on these runs. Some members clamor very loudly for the warm / high-CRI emitters, but few buy them.

    Foursevens may not offer numerous emitters on every light, but this is far from a valid criticism.
    I'm not trying to take cheap shots against David or his company. I know he has mentioned the low sales in the past, and I sympathize with anyone running a company and making payroll.

    I don't think the problem is that members here request things and then don't buy them. I think the bigger problem is that even if every member of CPF bought something, it still would not add up to one day's sales for Surefire, or one minute's sales for Ray-0-Vac or Eveready or the big-box light merchants. Tint snobs are not a big market.

    At the same time, some manufacturers--I mentioned ZL--are managing to break even while offering tint options with every model.

    You mention some manufacturers that offer few if any tint options. So there we are: some companies do better, some do worse, and 4/7s is somewhere towards the worse side.

    I hope they'll offer a NW option with this new light!

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    It is interesting that while folks are talking here about how FourSevens produced and then had difficulty selling NW and WW models, we are somehow failing to see just how niche a "1000 lumen" light no bigger than the average human thumb really is...no matter what the emitter actually may be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wacbzz View Post
    It is interesting that while folks are talking here about how FourSevens produced and then had difficulty selling NW and WW models, we are somehow failing to see just how niche a "1000 lumen" light no bigger than the average human thumb really is...no matter what the emitter actually may be.
    Ya, I'm with you there -- if it lives up to specs, it's pretty incredible. That said, on every aficionado forum I've ever been on, well-educated aficionados care deeply about things that most normal people would consider minutiae. I must have a tiny bit of normal personal left in me, since I consider color temperature and CRI a footnote ... or maybe a footnote to a footnote. But, not to be captain obvious, for many guys here, that's a bar that has to be reached before they'll consider a light.

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    If be afraid of losing something so small for EDC! Impressive specs though.

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    1000 lumens? Really? How long?
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    Oops, double post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    1000 lumens? Really? How long?
    Literally seconds. Very few of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    Literally seconds. Very few of them.
    Yeah, that's probably right. It will be a burst mode, with fairly quick step-down. The body is too small to handle much heat except by throttling back the output.

    Question: aren't ANSI lumen figures quoted at 30 seconds after turn on? And doesn't 4/7s always use ANSI numbers?

    So when they quote 1000 lumens, they may have to keep it at 1000 lumens for at least 30 seconds, in order to report that as an ANSI number.

    Or am I missing something?

    30 seconds is actually pretty long for a burst-mode.

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    Edited.

    Rant removed.
    Last edited by bykfixer; 10-31-2016 at 02:55 PM.
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    Might try one.

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    Very nice light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    Troubling imho. I had thought of foursevens being above that sort of hand is quicker than the eye trickery...

    Not saying this light sucks, just saying "real numbers or bust", that's all.
    Well, now I think you're being a bit *too* hard on them, bykfixer.

    There is nothing deceptive or tricky about claiming numbers that are certified by ANSI standards (which has always been 4/7s practice).

    That means you get to measure the output at 30 seconds after turn-on and call that your top output.

    It's what every other manufacturer uses--except the *really* deceptive ones who quote ridiculous numbers.

    But every light that you see on this forum that boasts 3000 lumens or 5000 lumens or whatever--those are all measured in the same way: that's the reading at the 30 second mark.

    And nearly every light on this forum uses a step-down from turbo, either after a preset time (1 minutes, 5 minutes, 30 seconds, whatever), or after a built-in temperature regulator tells it that it's getting too hot.

    The numbers for turbo outputs are just as much "real numbers" as the numbers for other levels.

    Some people say, "I'd rather have a light that is guaranteed to do 200 lumens in a steady way for 2 hours than one that claims 1000 lumens but can only do it for minute!"

    Well, why not have both? If you can have a light that does X output continuously, wouldn't it be nice to have it capable of doing 2X or 5X for brief bursts?

    Fighter jets have a cruising speed, and they also have an after-burner speed. Fighter pilots don't scoff and say, "who wants after-burner if you can only use it for a few minutes?" Heck no--they want a fast cruising speed, *and* they want the option of afterburner for the few seconds when it can save their lives.

    And they certainly do *not* say, "well, that's just the speed with afterburner--those are not "real numbers"!"

    Afterburner speed is a real number, even if the jet cannot fly that continuously. Turbo mode on a flashlight is a real number, even if it has to throttle back after a while.

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    Spot on, lampeDepeche*!! ( See above, #52 ) *Sorry, no fancy keyboard.

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    Dis-tasteful rant deleted.
    Last edited by bykfixer; 10-31-2016 at 02:56 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    Eh, I see your point.

    But I feel like there are companies using gimmick numbers disguised as game changers and imo this one borders on the edge of that.
    And IMO, your posts border on "thread trashing" in a sorta/kinda way. As a dealer for a competitor, IMO it is very inappropriate for you to be making such unsubstantiated allegations. Please step it back... and remember your new status. It does change things.

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    Very interesting - I'll have to keep up with the news about this light as it comes out.
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    is this light smaller/shorter than the Olight Smini ?

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    Taken from an e mail from FourSevens:

    Our team at FOURSEVENS has been designing the next generation Mini flashlight for over a year now.
    By using higher grade electronics and military-grade optics we’ve been able to reduce the size of the Mini even more,
    while increasing the output from 252 lumens in the Mini ML to 1000 lumens.



    A new RECHARGEABLE RCR123A cell was developed that could handle this amount of power.
    Most CR123A batteries max out at 750 lumens, but ours can go even higher.

    The high grade electronics in the Mark II will auto-regulate to keep the unit from overheating.
    After 15 seconds the light output will dim down to 300 lumens to keep the flashlight at a safe operating temperature.



    The Mini Mark II features a TIR (total internal reflector) optic with a 99% light transmittance rate.
    The TIR optic went through dozens of iterations to achieve a perfectly balanced spot-flood beam normally only found on reflectors.
    This optic avoids the "tunnel vision" you often experience with less balanced beams.


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    Thanks, Chance! I was about to post that.

    After 15 seconds the light output will dim down to 300 lumens to keep the flashlight at a safe operating temperature.

    So: bad news first, it looks like the 1000 lumens number is *not* measured using ANSI standards (if that requires measuring at 30 seconds after turn-on).

    Good news second: 4/7s is clearly trying to get the full information out there and not create false expectations.

    Knowing what I know about RCR123s, I always knew that 1000 lumens would have to be a short burst with a step-down. The cell just doesn't have enough juice to produce that output for long. I still think 15 seconds of that output will be handy/useful/fun to have.

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    i'd take one in Thundrey Grey or Titanium!!

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