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    Default Armytek Wizard Pro XHP50 V3 field use review.

    Company info:

    https://www.armytek.com/products/fla...te-silver.html

    Superb light of amazing constant brightness due to powerful electronics and active temperature control without timers
    Multi-flashlight “10 in 1" is for many activities: car, fishing, hunting, home, work, city, picnic, bike, outdoor, travel
    Efficient TIR-optics and no “tunnel vision” effect even after continuous use
    Multicolor Warning Indication of low battery level and high temperature
    Side switch for comfortable one-hand operation and easy modes switching with advanced operation
    Multicolor State Indication and ultra low current drain in OFF-state – more than 25 years
    Comfortable headband for reliable fixation of the flashlight – it won’t slip even while you’re running
    Solid body without long wires, weak rubber connectors and unnecessary boxes
    Removable magnet in the tailcap, removable clip, strong lanyard and possibility of tail-stand for multipurpose use
    Compact and light-weight flashlight of guaranteed durability stands up harsh impacts and falling from 10 meters
    Total protection from water, dirt and dust penetration - flashlight continues to work even at the depth of 10 meters

    Light & Optics

    LED LIGHT OUTPUT: 2300lm
    OTF LIGHT OUTPUT: 1800lm
    BEAM DISTANCE: 130m
    PEAK BEAM INTENSITY : 4200 cd
    LED: Cree XHP50
    OPTICS : TIR-optics
    STABILIZATION OF CONSTANT BRIGHTNESS REGARDLESS OF FROST AND LOW BATTERY VOLTAGE : FULL (constant brightness)
    HOTSPOT: 70 °
    SPILL: 120 °
    HOTSPOT DIAMETER AT 5 METERS: 7 m

    Dimensions & Weight
    LENGTH: 101mm
    BODY DIAMETER: 24.5mm
    HEAD DIAMETER: 29mm
    WEIGHT (WITHOUT BATTERIES): 48g

    Modes.

    OUTPUT LEVELS AND RUNTIMES: 1674 lm (1h), 837 lm (1h 40min), 363 lm (3h 30min), 167 lm (8h 30min), 28 lm (50h), 5 lm (12d), 1,4 lm (40d), 0,14 (200d), Strobe 3, Strobe 2, Strobe 1
    NUMBER OF MODES: 11

    Body & Durability

    WATERPROOF AND DUSTPROOF STANDARD : IP68 (highest)
    WATERPROOF & SUBMERSIBLE: 10m
    IMPACT RESISTANCE: 10m
    With that out of the way here is a little background. I purchased an Armytek Tiara Pro V2 "w" some time ago. It has been on many adventures providing good service. Wonderful headlamp friendly beam profile and tint. Very high turbo mode and low low firefly. It can run NiMH, Lithium AA primaries, alkaline and lithium ion. Basically if the batteries are AA sized and under 4.2 volts that's a go!

    Armytek Tiara V2 Pro XM-L w.





    As stated it's really good but I craved even more power and longer run times also what kinda name is "Tiara" anyways. I heard there was a new LED which could push 2000 lumens from 1X18650. Heard that AT had a V3 Wizard headlamp using the XHP50. Heard there was a 30% off sale. Making a long story short purchased the new headlamp over a month ago and been using it. For size comparison. Tiara on the left, Wizard on the right.





    The newest version, Wizard Pro XHP50 w.







    Shares the same optic etc as the Tiara and older versions of the line. It's a very good optic and window for a headlamp. It projects a floody beam with some punch. I couldn't be happier with the beam profile for many applications. It's not 100% perfect for everything but does so many headlamp jobs very well.





    Same beefy tail cap spring which can be found in the Tiara and Prime EDC lights. In fact the tail caps are interchangeable. The prepper in me likes that.





    The double O rings came properly lubricated.





    The voltage is listed from 2.4 to 9 volts so many battery types will work. Make certain to use higher drain protected lithium ion or un protected lithium ion to access the higher levels. I have read lower than 7A will result in decreased performance and/or tripping the protection circuit. I run 3500 mAh unprotected 18650 or Protected 3500 with up to 10A. Though had luck with batteries which I thought wouldn't work properly as well. Best to test out the batteries and light combo before fielding the gear.

    2Xcr123 Lithium primaries.
    2x16340 Lithium ion.
    1X18650 Lithium ion.




    It will run both protected and unprotected lithium ion batteries. The Wizard can be set for 1X lithium ion, 2x cr123 or 2x lithium ion. Armytek stated (if my memory is correct) when set for lithium ion the light will shut down at 2.6 volts but I always change the batteries when it fails to operate Main 2 Tier 1 aka 30 lumens properly. The voltage tends to be in the upper 2s to sometimes 3 at that point. Goes without saying it could run longer if needed on lower modes but prefer not to run down my lithium ions.





    The power switch can indicate low voltage and/or overheating by going from green to yellow to finally red with a changing frequency of flashes. It can get very warm in the highest modes but I hardly ever actually use those. I find the voltage indication to be more of a rough guide than precise measure. Generally it will start to turn before the performance of the light indicates lower voltage. So it is mildly useful when first turned but IMHO it's limited but not totally worthless. At least not on my example. On side note the green LED can be set to flash all the time as a marker. Unless set it will flash on modes higher the firefly. I think it would take decades for the drain from the green light to deplete the battery.




    Took me about 20 photos to actually capture this flash. I was hopelessly out of sync.





    I normally charge the 3500 mAh 18650 high drain unprotected lithium ion starting at around this level to about 4.2 volts if possible.





    This is a complex gear item and frankly I don't use all the features. I prefer to just use stuff and see how it works rather than humping the numbers. So lets go!


    Field testing.


    If something has a water resistance rating (IXP) I like to test for that. Better to find out in a semi controlled situation in as much as night hiking is ever totally under control. If it's rated for a good dunk should the opportunity should arise I will submerse the gear. Opps....








    I used a very precise scientific methodology to determine time, depth and other factors making the dunk test fair and uniform across the board. For example this time I walked 100 or so feet from the brook to take a piss. Then kinda pondered how cold the wet headband would feel like for the rest of the hike. Thought about the bear signings in the area as it was dark. Pure science wins again. The water rating held! At least good enough for my purposes. No sign of water intrusion.





    Full insanely bright Turbo mode. It's just too bright. It's ok for the.....is that a bear or zombie.... moments but dang is it bright. I had a difficult time adjusting down the camera's contrast. I adjust that when taking field beam shots to best capture what I think is happening. Everyone sees things a bit differently to some extent IMHO. It is listed as 2400 LED/1800 out front lumens (minus 7% for NW LED not applied).





    Turbo Mode 2. 900 lumens. Still crazy bright.





    Turbo Mode 1. I scampered down these rocks using Main 2 mode 3 but the leaves were too slippery for working two cameras. All the modes and the hike is within the video.








    Main 2 mode 2. 165 lumens. One of my favorites for trail running.





    Firefly modes.

    Firefly 1. 0.15 lumens. Too low for much of my usage but glad it is there.





    Firefly 2. 1.5 lumens. Sometimes use it in doors or in camp.





    Firefly 3. 5.5 lumens. One of my favorite modes. It's great for rooting around the pack and many jobs that don't involve swinging an axe in the dark


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    Looking inside my pack with Firefly 3.





    Field use observations. Pros and Cons.

    Pros.

    1. The clicky switch feels more responsive and solid than the one on my Tiara. Both work but for some reason this one feels and sounds better.

    2. The Main 2 mode 1 30ish lumens runs for a long long time. It's a sweet spot in terms of long runtime and usefulness. I also really like Firefly 3

    3. One of the best tinted NW lights I have ever used but that is within the eye of the beholder.

    4. 18650 batteries are epic energy. I still like AA for when on the fly, shorter usage or within my BOB but lithium ions are really nice.

    5. Near prefect (for me) headlamp beam profile. Not sure if it's good engineering or just an incredibly lucky accident but the Tiara and Wizard are floody enough for near headlamp range work but somehow can still see down trails or roads.

    6. Reasonably comfortable when running. In the video I run down dirt roads, over fallen trees and along abandoned rails. Considering the weight of the battery and entire body are on the forehead it didn't flop around all that much. I mean it wasn't perfect but rather ok. Also the Tiara headband and by extension Wizard is very very comfortable during cold weather. The silicone holder doesn't feel all that cold against the forehead.

    7. I like the mode spacing better than the older Tiara UI however believe Armytek now uses the same UI for both. Don't quote me on that.

    8. Highly water resistant. Beyond the dunk tests (done for both headlamps) I have ran with them for miles through heavy rain. Left them on the ground during heavy rain in camp. Walked for miles in soaking rain at night. I never worry about it. That's a good feeling.

    9. Stupid bright.

    10 UI has disco modes out of the way. Never accidentally activated them.

    11. Tail cap lock out. This makes life easy. I just lock out the headlamp with a twist tossing it into my pack. I think accidental activation on turbo within a pack could get ugly. Then again it takes 3 clicks to hit turbo so not sure how that would happen. That said entropy isn't kinda so I lock it out.

    12. I like the wide voltage range.

    13. Not that heavy. Per my digital postal scale. XHP50 Wizard Pro V3 with naked 3500 mAh 4.9 ounces, without battery 3.6. Tiara Pro V2 with 840 mAh protected keepPower 3.2 ounces, without battery 2.9 however keep in mind the Wizard has an over the head strap as well.

    Cons.

    1. Stupid bright. Yup it's actually too bright on Turbo mode 1. That's ok as there is a Turbo mode 2. Still it's stupid bright. LOL But then again I guess that's also "Pro" number 9.

    2. Gets really hot on the stupid bright mode.

    3. Expensive. Buy this on sale unless you must own it now. Nearly 100 dollars is a great deal of money for this gear class for many consumers. I do think it's worth the money but even better on sale. For those who don't own a Wizard the XM-L or XP-L versons might also be good options as the prices will and are falling. Got an XM-L wizard for my uncle as a Christmas gift but don't tell him!

    4. There maybe a micro flicker or more correctly pulse on Main 2 mode 1 or maybe it is my imagination. Doesn't harm the field usage so didn't include that observation within the video.

    5. Lithium ion and CR123 batteries can be problematical for purchase at the local B&M. One pro to lights using AA/AAA like the Tiara, Fenix HL30/50 or PT EOS is ready availability of inexpensive primary and NiMH batteries.

    That's about it. Here is a video!



    Edit to add.

    I don't do intentional drop tests often because being a goober the drops will come soon enough. Here is the setup. I open the passenger side of my truck's door to grab my pack and some papers. However my pack is on top of the headlamp which then gets dragged off the seat tossing said headlamp which promptly bounces off the door hitting the driveway like a comet. At first I thought it was my phone but was happy to see it was the headlamp. A free drop test when failure would have no consequences other than mailing the light back for repair.

    And there it is. Gotta love entropy. Without it we wouldn't be alive to know it will kill us one day.



    No damage to bezel or glass.



    Only the smallest of marks on the edge of the tail cap. On a side note this is actually a non pro tail cap. Put the one it came with on a 1x18650 Prime body. I don't really need a magnetic holder on a headlamp so changed it out.



    Edit to add.

    And another update. It appears AT has changed the harness with the Wizard. A new plastic one came attached to another Wizard I ordered this time a V3 not pro XP-L Cool White.





    Ok the silicone harness had a few issues the biggest being it's a PITA to remove and replace the light. This negated IMHO it's EDC potential.


    New plastic harness installed on left, old silicone on right.





    One pro is the potential to change out the entire light in the field without missing a step. Just swap out the bodies. Probably faster than changing the batteries.





    Enough lets hit the woods.











    We are going to do 5 miles of moderately paced trail jogging. Moderately paced because of the load and terrain.


    The following are beams from the XHP-50 main mode 2.





    Some spots are good, actually probably the majority but all I tend to remember is the fallen trees and rocks.








    Main mode 1.








    Done.





    Also used it tonight around the house. I think the plastic is an improvement over the silicone harness. That said this isn't my first rodeo with this concept.





    I still have this headlamp but found the plastic harness too difficult to remove the light from and heard reports of the arms snapping off. The Wizard harness is easy enough to remove and the light didn't fall out during my run. Feels solidly in there but time will tell if it holds up.
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    Default Re: Armytek Wizard Pro XHP50 V3 field use review.

    Nothing between 28 and 167?

    I use 50-70 ish most.
    See they have a chargeable Wizard now.
    I've been told can't use charge tail cap on older lights, waiting on AT to answer.

    I would love magnetic charge tail cap that would usb charge all Wizards and Primes.
    Thanks for review will check out video later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chadvone View Post
    Nothing between 28 and 167?

    I use 50-70 ish most.
    See they have a chargeable Wizard now.
    I've been told can't use charge tail cap on older lights, waiting on AT to answer.

    I would love magnetic charge tail cap that would usb charge all Wizards and Primes.
    Thanks for review will check out video later.
    Yup. 3 modes on the main. I do like that the Tiara has been changed. Mine is like this.

    Firefly1: 0.15lm / 90d
    Firefly2: 1.7lm / 200h
    Main1: 10 lm / 25h
    Main2: 70 lm / 3h
    Main3: 210 lm / 1.2h
    Max: 370 lm / 30min
    Strobe: 10Hz Beacon: 0.6Hz

    Now they added the 30 lumen mode. So useful for an AA/CR123 given the increased runtimes etc etc. On the new Wizard the Main modes are listed at "363 lm (3h 30min), 167 lm (8h 30min), 28 lm (50h)"

    But my gut says it's a little bit higher than 28 lumens. Maybe in the 30's however such distinctions are hard for the human eye to see and doesn't mean much in the woods. I also liked the 70 lumen mode on my Tiara so could see it being useful on the new wizard though what the 70 did on the Tiara the 167 does better on the new Wizard and what the 10 was too little and 70 too much the 30 does just fine. Not sure if there is any logic to what I just said.

    I am iffy about the USB charging thing for the wet and wild woods but who knows. Maybe it's all around better?
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    1800 lumens is pretty incredible output. I don't know what I'd do with that much light, but it would sure be fun to play with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woods Walker View Post
    also what kinda name is "Tiara" anyways.
    I find it funny. They've got all these powerful, sometimes even dangerous-sounding product names like Predator, Doberman, Viking, etc. Even the less forward names like Prime or Partner still convey a sense of strength or reliability.

    And then they name one after a dainty piece of jewelry.

    On side note the green LED can be set to flash all the time as a marker. Unless set it will flash on modes higher the firefly.
    Does your Tiara Pro do this, too? Mine flashes all the time it is on, even in firefly, which is terribly annoying since the flash is significantly brighter than the firefly output. Among it's other uses, the light is excellent as a nightlight when traveling and sleeping in dark, unfamiliar rooms, but I have to remember to cover the button.

    Also comparing to the Tiara - is the Wizard actually lighter (without batteries) as claimed? The Tiara Pro is listed at 61g. The Wizard Pro is supposedly 48g.

    Firefly 1. 0.15 lumens. Too low for much of my usage but glad it is there.
    Looking at the numbers, I thought 0.15 lumens would be uselessly dim. It's amazing how useful it is when your eyes are adjusted to the dark and you don't want to wake a sleeping spouse, however.

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    Should be able to turn off the blinking button for the low output group. Some combination of tailcap twist and button press and hold. See instructions for details.

    I think the blinking button function should be revised so that (1) as a cell capacity indicator, it starts to blink only when the cell is low, say 20 percent remaining. (2) as a beacon, be configurable to be ON as it is now, but also be completely OFF when the light is on or off, for all output groups.

    As it is, I don't think it is very useful. I don't need a reminder every 5 seconds that the cell has plenty of capacity left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamlucky13 View Post
    1800 lumens is pretty incredible output. I don't know what I'd do with that much light, but it would sure be fun to play with.



    I find it funny. They've got all these powerful, sometimes even dangerous-sounding product names like Predator, Doberman, Viking, etc. Even the less forward names like Prime or Partner still convey a sense of strength or reliability.

    And then they name one after a dainty piece of jewelry.



    Does your Tiara Pro do this, too? Mine flashes all the time it is on, even in firefly, which is terribly annoying since the flash is significantly brighter than the firefly output. Among it's other uses, the light is excellent as a nightlight when traveling and sleeping in dark, unfamiliar rooms, but I have to remember to cover the button.

    Also comparing to the Tiara - is the Wizard actually lighter (without batteries) as claimed? The Tiara Pro is listed at 61g. The Wizard Pro is supposedly 48g.



    Looking at the numbers, I thought 0.15 lumens would be uselessly dim. It's amazing how useful it is when your eyes are adjusted to the dark and you don't want to wake a sleeping spouse, however.
    The lowest firefly is fun to keep running during an outing as don't care about the power loss aka to keep tack of my headlamp. Also good for pitch black rooms. Not useless but for me not used that often. I have a postal scale at another location so will check both the Tiara and Wizard with and without battery. My Tiara pro only flashes from Main 1 mode 1. Not the two firefly modes. I know the green light can be turned on all the time for the wizard but never heard that about the Tiara however AT seems to modify the UIs more often than some other manufactures and sometimes without communication to their customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scs View Post
    Should be able to turn off the blinking button for the low output group. Some combination of tailcap twist and button press and hold. See instructions for details.

    I think the blinking button function should be revised so that (1) as a cell capacity indicator, it starts to blink only when the cell is low, say 20 percent remaining. (2) as a beacon, be configurable to be ON as it is now, but also be completely OFF when the light is on or off, for all output groups.

    As it is, I don't think it is very useful. I don't need a reminder every 5 seconds that the cell has plenty of capacity left.
    Mine doesn't flash on the firefly modes in either the Tiara or the Wizard but can turn it on all the time in the Wizard. I think first twist the tail, then hold the button then twist off and on while still holding the button but that's off the top of my head so could be mistaken. Maybe firefly 3 in the wizard (or maybe not will check later). I agree with your assessment about the constant flashing on the upper modes. As it is on my head no big deal but sometimes find it distracting with the Primes. Personally I kinda prefer the standard versions over the pros. If I get another (looking at a C1 Tiara or if they ever seriously update the A1 Tiara) will probably get the regular model. I prefer the regular Prime over Pro and enjoy the UI of the standard Predator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamlucky13 View Post
    Looking at the numbers, I thought 0.15 lumens would be uselessly dim. It's amazing how useful it is when your eyes are adjusted to the dark and you don't want to wake a sleeping spouse, however.
    The 0.15 lm mode is still too bright for me, when I open my eyes in the middle of the night...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woods Walker View Post
    Mine doesn't flash on the firefly modes in either the Tiara or the Wizard but can turn it on all the time in the Wizard.
    Mine Wizard Pro flashes two times (flash » gap 5 sec » flash) when I turn on firefly mode, even if Multicolor (battery) State Indication is switched off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wawrik View Post
    Mine Wizard Pro flashes two times (flash » gap 5 sec » flash) when I turn on firefly mode, even if Multicolor (battery) State Indication is switched off.
    Mine does that as well. A minor bug. Not a big problem as it stays off after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woods Walker View Post
    Mine doesn't flash on the firefly modes in either the Tiara or the Wizard but can turn it on all the time in the Wizard. I think first twist the tail, then hold the button then twist off and on while still holding the button but that's off the top of my head so could be mistaken. Maybe firefly 3 in the wizard (or maybe not will check later). I agree with your assessment about the constant flashing on the upper modes. As it is on my head no big deal but sometimes find it distracting with the Primes. Personally I kinda prefer the standard versions over the pros. If I get another (looking at a C1 Tiara or if they ever seriously update the A1 Tiara) will probably get the regular model. I prefer the regular Prime over Pro and enjoy the UI of the standard Predator.
    If I remember correctly, the regular version of the headlamps and Prime doesn't allow toggling between the main and firefly groups, which the pro versions allow via a double click. In other words, when the light is on and in main mode, you have to turn it off first and then press and hold for the firefly group. When in firefly group can you toggle between the 2 firefly modes on the regular version, or do you again have to turn it off first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scs View Post
    Mine does that as well. A minor bug. Not a big problem as it stays off after that.
    I think it's a feature. You can see battery status, but it doesn't annoying you all the time.
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    I love the XHP50 but that flashy beacon was the pits. I am left handed and the beacon was right above my left eye. And indoors it would actually create a false flicker too. I slowly pulled the yellow button off and covered the two mini LEDs with high quality electrical tape. Depending how you do it the lights are visible but I have mine all the way covered. It is easy to fiddle with. It cannot be turned off so something had to give.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wawrik View Post
    I think it's a feature. You can see battery status, but it doesn't annoying you all the time.
    Hehehe. "A feature; by design; specific to that batch..." I imagine that's how the AT rep would respond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scs View Post
    Hehehe. "A feature; by design; specific to that batch..." I imagine that's how the AT rep would respond.
    The lights I have(not just the Wizard) do the two blinks then stop on the lower modes. As far as I know, all the lights with the indicator do this(Wizard Pro, Tiara C1 & A1, Prime C1,C2, A1, & A2 Pro, Partner C1, C2, A1, & A2 Pro). I am pretty sure it is supposed to so when you turn it on, you still get battery level indication before it stops. I think its a nice feature and would not want it to be off all the time.
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    I believe I turned off the flashing but it still flashes sometimes. I never really cared enough to fully test mine, but maybe if I start in firefly mode it won't flash. But if I start in normal mode, then toggle to firefly group, it may flash. But like I mentioned, I haven't tested it out.

    @Woods Walker: One thing I'm a bit confused it it sounds like you have a neutral white version of the light? Is this the "white" version they mention on their website? According to one of your picture of the head of the light, its labeled "warm light". My "non warm" light has the label "white light" on the head. But in most of your pictures, it looks pretty (neutral) white and not warm...even though this could be either the picture or my monitor...

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    Default Re: Armytek Wizard Pro XHP50 V3 field use review.

    Quote Originally Posted by scs View Post
    If I remember correctly, the regular version of the headlamps and Prime doesn't allow toggling between the main and firefly groups, which the pro versions allow via a double click. In other words, when the light is on and in main mode, you have to turn it off first and then press and hold for the firefly group. When in firefly group can you toggle between the 2 firefly modes on the regular version, or do you again have to turn it off first?
    Let me test it out right now. Have a low voltage Prime regular in the house. Ok yes if I am interpenetrating your statement correctly and going to add that as another positive (for me) to the standard version.

    You can double click from firefly to what looks like turbo then back again from on. Double clicking from off just turns the light on at the last memory mode then off. Double clicking from main puts it into turbo then back again. It's good. I got my uncle the standard version of the Wizard in XM-L. No flashing indicator light (which does not bother me in the least on the headlamps but more problematic on the Prime) and a bunch of other things which aren't (IMHO) needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tachead View Post
    The lights I have(not just the Wizard) do the two blinks then stop on the lower modes. As far as I know, all the lights with the indicator do this(Wizard Pro, Tiara C1 & A1, Prime C1,C2, A1, & A2 Pro, Partner C1, C2, A1, & A2 Pro). I am pretty sure it is supposed to so when you turn it on, you still get battery level indication before it stops. I think its a nice feature and would not want it to be off all the time.
    If that's the intent behind the design, why isn't the same done for the other modes (the blinking cannot be turned off for the main and turbo groups). What makes 2 blinks suffice for the firefly group and insufficient for the main and turbo groups?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tops2 View Post
    I believe I turned off the flashing but it still flashes sometimes. I never really cared enough to fully test mine, but maybe if I start in firefly mode it won't flash. But if I start in normal mode, then toggle to firefly group, it may flash. But like I mentioned, I haven't tested it out.

    @Woods Walker: One thing I'm a bit confused it it sounds like you have a neutral white version of the light? Is this the "white" version they mention on their website? According to one of your picture of the head of the light, its labeled "warm light". My "non warm" light has the label "white light" on the head. But in most of your pictures, it looks pretty (neutral) white and not warm...even though this could be either the picture or my monitor...
    I believe the white version means cool white and the warm version means neutral white. Zebralight also makes this technical mistake for their "w" models. In the video I call the light version by the name AT gave it however explain it's really NW (though IMHO on the little bit warm side of that in a good way aka no hint of green). So no question in my mind the "Warm" is NW and "White" is Cool White. The Green indicator light has ghosts in the machine. Maybe residual power in the circuit etc and often flashes a few times on firefly modes till stopping. Or maybe it's a feature telling me the battery is ok on those lower levels then stopping not to drown out the firefly. With AT you never know. LOL! That said the raw power of the high and fun of the lows plus winner tint makes this model a GO! Used it last night for a trail run finishing up at 11:31 pm. Did 2 miles walking during the day's normal activities then 5.7 miles night trail running with the wizard XHP50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scs View Post
    If that's the intent behind the design, why isn't the same done for the other modes (the blinking cannot be turned off for the main and turbo groups). What makes 2 blinks suffice for the firefly group and insufficient for the main and turbo groups?
    My thinking is it doesn't need to go off for the higher output modes because they are bright enough that the blinking doesn't effect the situation. When you are in the lower modes(especially firefly) it is dark enough that the LED gets distracting so it is nice that it goes off. Also, in the higher modes watching for low voltage and temp warnings is more important.

    What I think they should have done is just make it turn on or off for all modes. That way it makes everyone happy and they can set it however they please. Then for safety, if turned off, it should still go on when it hits the low voltage or temperature warnings.

    But personally, I don't mind it at all the way it is. I like to be able to look down and see the battery level is when using the higher modes, I like that it goes off when using the low modes in the dark, and I like that I can set it to be on all the time as a beacon if I want to make it easier to find in certain situation(the Nitecore MH20 series has this feature too and its quite useful once and a while for me).

    Just like any feature on a light, some like it some don't. If you don't, then you don't have to buy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tachead View Post
    ...What I think they should have done is just make it turn on or off for all modes. That way it makes everyone happy and they can set it however they please. Then for safety, if turned off, it should still go on when it hits the low voltage or temperature warnings...
    I agree
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    This is my personal favorite flashlight for now.

    It has been to the top of several mountains and peaks, literally into an ice crusted alpine lake, across the Mojave in July, canyoneering up a river, through the NYC subway system, on patrol and SAR... no failures yet.
    The blinky button light has not bothered me a bit even when waking up at 3 am in the tent to crawl out into the cold and relieve myself.
    Having that much output is incredible for helping a couple buddies scale rock cliff to get down to a the Deschutes river at 10pm or to find a campsite marker hidden by 3' of snow. The warm tint makes it far easier to find dog droppings on the wet Oregon forest floor while out camping in the rain.
    18650s are easily recharged by solar in a day with a lightweight panel on my backpack and the magnetic mount makes it easy to stick on most things to get some extra light.
    The UI is even decent, I really can't ask for much more in a light.
    Well worth every penny for serious/ professional light users and adventurers. And with a 20-30% discount that has happened with a couple websites it's a steal.
    1) Neutral white, it's the new black. Heck, it's not even "new" anymore.
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    Just wondering. How long does it last in the brightest turbo mode before the brightness drops...if you run it in front of a small fan. And does it drop to the next lower mode? I was thinking of using it as my helmet light went I go bike riding in the woods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chumanji9 View Post
    Just wondering. How long does it last in the brightest turbo mode before the brightness drops...if you run it in front of a small fan. And does it drop to the next lower mode? I was thinking of using it as my helmet light went I go bike riding in the woods.
    Honestly I don't know as don't use that mode for long as it gets hot and is so much brighter than I need. I don't do indoor testing of gear for the most part on religious grounds. LOL! not really just don't believe the results would be reflective of field usage. Who walks around with a fan blowing on their headlamp in the lower 70's outside of CPF. No body, that's who though have no issue with those who do as more info isn't bad. Tell you what. I am going for a night run now and will use it on max and will report back. Per siri "brr it's 35 f outside" though that doesn't impress me nor will it slow down the run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamlucky13 View Post

    Also comparing to the Tiara - is the Wizard actually lighter (without batteries) as claimed? The Tiara Pro is listed at 61g. The Wizard Pro is supposedly 48g.
    Per my digital postal scale. XHP50 Wizard Pro V3 with naked 3500 mAh 4.9 ounces, without battery 3.6. Tiara Pro V2 with 840 mAh protected keepPower 3.2 ounces, without battery 2.9 however keep in mind the Wizard has an over the head strap as well.
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    How long can it hold high without dropping. Went for a 7 mile street/dirt road jog tonight. It was 35F out. It says 9 but really already had two miles walking before the run.





    Ran it on Turbo 1 for 30 minutes before I got tried of blinding cars on the road. Had to look away from on coming traffic as I swear it's brighter than car headlights on high. Also the reflective light off the signs was too much. Once again proved animals simply don't care if someone shines a bright light at them. Nearly 2000 lumens didn't impress an aggressive dog or shy coon. My crazy Hungarian antics did impress the dog who finally thought better of it's chances. Near as I could tell 30 minutes on the max turbo showed no reduction in output. When switching to Turbo 2 could see the same shift in output as always. Another 5 minutes on that before getting tired of too much light then down to Main mode 3 then finally Main mode 2. It was hot on Max but somehow felt maybe a bit less then when using it stationary. I never run the Max Turbo this long as don't have any need. I don't think the light really should be run that high all the time. The mass is kinda low for that IMHO.




    This is exactly how the output appeared to my eyes on road running on Max Turbo.


    The selfie!





    Paved road.


    It's just too bright. LOL! The camera did a good job of capturing how it looked to my eyes.










    Dirt road.





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    Thanks for the Turbo Mode testing. This little light does look very impressive.

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    Nice review as always Woods Walker. I have been watching this light since it was first announced. I always go for neutral whites in headlamps and the warm version looks nice with an excellent beam profile for all around use. I would like to see armytek put out a version without the honeycomb lens and just a clear lens for increased throw. It would make for a nice cycling helmet light if it had more throw. Better yet, give it interchangeable lenses or a clear lens and include a diffuser that attaches. I also think they dropped the ball in not giving it a ~70 lumen mode as that is a mode I would use the most hiking at night. Hopefully Armytek improve their quality control too as there has been some concern over it lately.
    Thanks for the review!
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    I have a bone to pick with you....you and your review were the reason I got myself the nitecore HC30....now after reading and watching this...I want one!
    It is now your job to stop me spending money and convince me that the armytek is no better than the nitecore....
    How much wider and fuller flood are we talking compared to the nitecore? And I'm guessing the nitecore still wins in throw?

    Come on man...think of my bank balance....stop tempting me. Haha

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