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    7.) Health. Blue light from LEDS is unseen that can disturb sleep rhythms and possibly increase the risk of serious health conditions, including cancer and cardiovascular disease.
    OMG give me a break!!!! I would love to know how many thing in life a person fears if they actually fear #7, wow!

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    OMG give me a break!!!! I would love to know how many thing in life a person fears if they actually fear #7, wow!
    Are you implying the OP posted this at night, while sitting in front of a screen, while eating Cheetos?

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    For me, incan and LED peacefully coexist. Perhaps unlike many here, I prefer white light for determining color. Somehow, my eyes see colors better in white light (eg I have a very difficult time distinguishing dark navy blue socks and black socks in incan lighting. Switch on the bright white light, whether it be fluorescent or LED, and the socks sort themselves!). When outdoors however, I generally prefer incan lights. LED lights look "flat" to me, and maybe I have the wrong lights, but LEDs just don't seem to have the reach of incan lights. Then again, I have not experimented with warm tint LEDs--if I want warm white light, I just use incan.

    Caveat. When I refer to incans, I generally mean Surefire caliber, whose xenon bulbs emit whiter light than some other types of incan lights. Light output that is too yellowy, or the awful green of early LEDs, is a definite no-no.
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    OMG give me a break!!!! I would love to know how many thing in life a person fears if they actually fear #7, wow!
    I would love to know if it's possible for dissenting opinions to have substance rather than ridicule. I doubt anyone 'fears' anything on the list, as there are few children browsing these forums. Contrary to your beliefs, the disruption of sleep rhythms, by any cause, is a major problem for tens of millions. It is a subtle cause that has major effects, and it is provable science. If you're going to dismiss something, have something to back up your opinion. Do you often have your sleep disrupted? Is this beneficial to you? We want to know.

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    I would love to know if it's possible for dissenting opinions to have substance rather than ridicule. I doubt anyone 'fears' anything on the list, as there are few children browsing these forums. Contrary to your beliefs, the disruption of sleep rhythms, by any cause, is a major problem for tens of millions. It is a subtle cause that has major effects, and it is provable science. If you're going to dismiss something, have something to back up your opinion. Do you often have your sleep disrupted? Is this beneficial to you? We want to know.
    I can't even remember making my post, fact - 15 beers disrupts both memory and sleep rhythms lol. I'm pretty sure that I probably saw this and thought about an LED flashlight that's only on rarely and also points away from you, a far cry from being underneath LED all day long. Rock on and don't mind the occasional drunk in here haha.

    Edit, maybe I'm glad that I made that drunk post, I would have never even given any thought to changing out my LEDs throughout my house and garage, hmm...
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    I would love to know if it's possible for dissenting opinions to have substance rather than ridicule. I doubt anyone 'fears' anything on the list, as there are few children browsing these forums. Contrary to your beliefs, the disruption of sleep rhythms, by any cause, is a major problem for tens of millions. It is a subtle cause that has major effects, and it is provable science. If you're going to dismiss something, have something to back up your opinion. Do you often have your sleep disrupted? Is this beneficial to you? We want to know.
    Opinions are valid when discussing subjective qualities, i.e. what CCT do you prefer. "Opinions" don't really have much validity when discussing objective qualities, i.e. like whether blue light from LED flashlights is a valid health concern. There is an implied social contract when posting something online that one be "reasonable". Reasonable positions are usually met with reasonable responses. A reasonable position would be, "When I have to go to the washroom in the middle of the night, I don't like the high amount of blue in bright high CCT LED flashlights as I find it wakes me up too much." An unreasonable position would be to make the leap that LED flashlights cause cancer given the limited time of exposure, low dosage levels, and relative impact of LED flashlights to other artificial light sources, not to mention implying that excess blue light is unique to LED flashlights and the same for all of them.

    Ridiculous positions, i.e. that the earth is flat, are often met with a comedic response as that is often viewed as the only valid response as to respond otherwise would give validity where it is not warranted.

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    The earth isn't flat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    The earth isn't flat?
    No, it is square idiot. I think you had better quit using those blue LED's they may be disrupting your sleep cycles.

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    What a beautiful world: A complaint thread with hate in the title evolves into good times for all. (Still enjoying the 70's Hemi Cuda/burning-filament word picture)

    I hate my mother-in-law's porch light; horrible use of white LED's. She knows now to leave it off when I come over, because I'm carrying a flashlight...

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    No, it is square idiot. I think you had better quit using those blue LED's they may be disrupting your sleep cycles.
    Blue LED's are cool.



    Yes pun intended.
    Meanwhile back at the ranch..
    I have a neighbor who has blue LED'd porch lights as a "blue lives matter" gesture. I asked "what's with the porch lights man?". He replied "Dude! I haaaaayte LED's. lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KITROBASKIN View Post
    What a beautiful world: A complaint thread with hate in the title evolves into good times for all. (Still enjoying the 70's Hemi Cuda/burning-filament word picture)

    I hate my mother-in-law's porch light; horrible use of white LED's. She knows now to leave it off when I come over
    Personally i hate the title of this thread!! And I hate my mother in law even more than you hate yours...come one man you don't just hate her porch lights! Haha, so fun to hate lol
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    Let's keep this thread about flashlights and not mothers in law...
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    Let's keep this thread about flashlights and not mothers in law...
    Sorry, and only kidding, far from hating my mother in law she is actually smoking hot. Since I'm guilty of the divergence I'll try to throw it back on track, to OP, ok I better understand that constant LED exposure is bad, but I was wondering, as far as flashlights go would you be a lot more excepting of warm LED flashlights? Like 4000K for instance?

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    I hate candles because they're smoking hot, and can burn your house down.

    Hey, let's take a bunch of pictures of hands that are smoking hot!

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    I hate torches. They always leave black spots on my living room ceiling after watching Game of Thrones.

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    Most of my lights are LEDs. I prefer the neutral and warmer tints. Have a EagleTac with 219 Nichia LED that has a tint like a candle. The only place I really like the pure white lights is in the throwers. At 800 meters, the white adds more illumination and contrast and color isn't as important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wjv View Post
    Have a EagleTac with 219 Nichia LED that has a tint like a candle.
    FYI Candlelight has a color temperature of about 1500K and is characteristically orange or yellow-orange in tint. You should try lighting a candle in a dark environment and actually comparing it to your 219 Nichia LED. You should then try an incan flashlight under the same circumstances (any old MagLite will do, but a Surefire incan will drive the point home), and compare its light to your 219 Nichia LED. Afterwards, you will never try to make this comparison again... because they don't compare. Nichia's 219b is probably the best LED available to the general consumer regarding tint, temperature and color rendition. But even the light from best LED pales (literally) in comparison to the light from a tungsten lamp driven within its design specifications. The whitest flashlight lamps are around 3500K (maybe some Xenon and HID are hotter and whiter?). They may exist, but I don't know of any manufacturer mass producing LED flashlights with a color temperature below 4000K. It's a good chance your 219 Nichia is a lot whiter and hotter color temperature than you realize. Or you were hyperbolizing, and I didn't catch on... mea culpa, hyperbolize away, I can't live without hyperbole, myself... not for a second, not ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chillinn View Post
    FYI Candlelight has a color temperature of about 1500K and is characteristically orange or yellow-orange in tint.
    Closer to 1800K, but depends on the wax. Beeswax burns a bit hotter.


    Quote Originally Posted by chillinn View Post
    You should then try an incan flashlight under the same circumstances (any old MagLite will do, but a Surefire incan will drive the point home), and compare its light to your 219 Nichia LED. Afterwards, you will never try to make this comparison again... because they don't compare.
    Is that new batteries in the Incan? Old batteries? I have LEDs both cooler and warmer than an incan ran at rated voltage.


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    But even the light from best LED pales (literally) in comparison to the light from a tungsten lamp driven within its design specifications.
    Which "best" LED? Lumileds T(X) at 90+ (typically 95) CRI, 2700/3000K? Yuji high CRI? Osram 90CRI 2200K ... which one?

    I will guarantee I could light two rooms, one with incan, one with high CRI LEDs and you will not know which is which. Heck, I will even PWM the LEDs at high frequency.


    Quote Originally Posted by chillinn View Post
    They may exist, but I don't know of any manufacturer mass producing LED flashlights with a color temperature below 4000K.
    Could it be that they are catering to what the market wants?

    Armytek and Nitecore come to mind, I am sure others make 3000K lights.



    Quote Originally Posted by chillinn View Post
    best LED pales (literally) in comparison to the light from a tungsten lamp driven within its design specifications.
    ... There I go again, wearing dark blue socks with a black suit ...

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    LEDs got me into the flashlight game. Fenix's in particular. Now the only LED lights I have that I like are my Prometheus Beta with a 219A and my Alpha with the MCE 4500k. Even still, I want an Incan Alpha. I recently picked up a Surefire M6 which is an awesome Incan powerhouse. I also think I want another E1E to go with my E2. With rechargables I just find incan lights 'more better.' LED technology is awesome but I see incandescent lights as the true enthusiast product these days.

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    Incan Alpha... Alpha Incan... either way it has a nice ring to it.

    Just had the pleasure of being taxi'd home from a repair shop in a mint 1963 Pontiac Ventura with a 6 pack. No power anything except the gas pedal. Reminded me of this thread as there were (2) two of those "atomic" flashlights on the passenger seat when I got in. Dude says "$12, and geez are they bright". lol
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    I love reading your thread on resurrecting vintage lights. You have some of the coolest lights I've ever seen.

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    Well garsh!
    I'm blushing.

    I need to get back on those Eveready Soldier Boys and get them working proper. I can get them both to light, but neither switch on/off correctly.

    So next rainy day I will set still long enough to finish the soldier boys and post the how to at the "restore" thread.

    In the meantime my LED's and Incans coexist peacefully. I still find the 4C Mag with a 3 cell krypton one of my favorites. And the ML25's with a 4 cell bi-pin, fueled by 2 x 1850's is a goody too.


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    Incan Alpha... Alpha Incan... either way it has a nice ring to it.
    It would be a great idea to make a harness for mounting that light to a small llama, for navigating the treacherous footpaths of the Andes at night. I could imagine carrying ceremonial supplies to an ancient South American temple that way.

    It would be an Incan alpaca with incan Alphas carrying aloe incense.

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    The OP should go to the TRADE section and make a deal with me for my 1000 lumen INCAN Hotwire light I've been trying to sell for almost a decade.

    Displacing night on a daily basis.

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