SUBARU OUTBACK 2010 - Lighting Upgrade. H7 and HB3

Coastal

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Just some background first, 11 months ago I picked up a very original 2010 Outback with only 29,000 miles on it. I needed a newer vehicle as I knew I would be doing some serious miles in the future and needed an economical, safe and comfortable vehicle.

Having done 26,000 miles in 11 months I feel some what vindicated in the need for my purchase.

Footnote Here: As a coincidence: In 1980 I had a Subaru Wagon adorned with Marchal 902s and a 905? plus Marshal 7" round inserts with the dual reflectors (maybe these were Cibie?, was eons ago now)

Though being very happy with the 2010 Subaru, I felt the need for better lighting, as I do a lot of night driving at up to 70mph on our 'freeways'. I toyed with the idea of a LED lightbar, (though there is no easy mount for this with that lightweight bumper cover) but anyway, a light bar was not going to help the Low Beam at all. I also trolled ebay for HID 'upgrades' but these just seemed dodgy to me. (that is even before I started reading CPF).

About 4 weeks ago I was at an auto store and found JW Speaker H7 upgrades, these seemingly high quality well made units appeared to be an answer. I did search the 'net quite a bit but could only find info on their full replacement systems. With no better idea than I was dealing with a reputable manufacturer I purchased the LED H7.

First problem, the Subaru is just ridiculous when it comes to changing the Low Beam bulb, once you peel back the inner plastic guard, you then have to decide whether it is your lefthand or your righthand or your sight that you wish to use for the task. You can only use one of these 'tools' at any one time.

Second problem, The heatsink does not allow the dust cap to be reinstalled once you manage to fit the LED

Third problem, The results are not worth the hassle or the money. Sure the lighting looks "whiter" but I found it no better than the OEM's in usefulness and the light seemed to be washed out by orange street lamps ??

Luckily as they didnt fit the car I was able to return them and the quest continued.

It was about this time I stumbled across CPF and my life was changed. No more "...xyz lights are the best 'coz I have 'em on me Evo". I found some factual and scientific information.
Many hours of reading later.... I concluded that I wanted Philips Rally +150 (yes, at the expense of long life, yeah I know...), and I also purchased from the US, the Philips 9011 HIR's (the mod is very easy).

The Results

The low beam is noticably better, there appears to be more light on the road, and I am very happy with the upgrade, it is certainly more comfortable to drive with this lighting.
The high beam is also noticeably better, though not so easy to quantify as the Low Beam stays on, and this I feel, detracts from my impressions of the High Beam improvement.

Its only been a week so far, but I feel I wont bother with any further auxillary lighting as this upgrade is enough to make my night driving much safer and comfortable.

As an analogy here, for those who think 'white vision' type bulbs are the answer, consider this. If I gave you $50 in notes and small change and you said "keep the coins, I dont want them." Do you still have $50? I guess the same applies when you start removing the colours you think you dont want, from the visible light spectrum.

T
hanks all on this site for the valuable information provided, even those wrong assumptions in some posts, helped formulate the end result.
 

Alaric Darconville

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About 4 weeks ago I was at an auto store and found JW Speaker H7 upgrades, these seemingly high quality well made units appeared to be an answer. I did search the 'net quite a bit but could only find info on their full replacement systems. With no better idea than I was dealing with a reputable manufacturer I purchased the LED H7.

Those aren't a legitimate JW Speaker product. No wonder they didn't work.
 

Alaric Darconville

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:welcome: , btw.

Glad, though, that you immediately saw those JW Speaker fakes as not working correctly-- many people blindly swallow the hype around LED drop-ins and will argue to the death that indeed they work better than the filament bulbs they replaced.

Thankfully, the the short life you'll get from the H11, that's balanced out by the long life of the HIR1.

Though being very happy with the 2010 Subaru, I felt the need for better lighting, as I do a lot of night driving at up to 70mph on our 'freeways'.
Remember, even with excellent lighting, 70mph can still be driving too fast for conditions at night, no matter what the posted limit.
 

jaycee88

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Those aren't a legitimate JW Speaker product. No wonder they didn't work.

Coastal didn't mention where he was located, but a quick search shows that the (presumably official) Australian distributor of JW Speaker products is selling these JWS branded LED bulbs. If these bulbs are indeed not legitimate, I'd imagine JW Speaker would have something to say about their name and trademark being used in this manner.
 

Alaric Darconville

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The Australian distributor is listed on jwspeaker.com, and if you click into their site they have the JWS branded LED bulbs listed.
The distributor is listed on JW Speaker's site, yes-- but that product isn't.

It's not the first time I've been wrong about something, so I've got an inquiry going with JWSpeaker to see if it is really their product. Those H7 bulbs are not on jwspeaker.com nor on their Facebook page. Seeing as how JW Speaker has been consistently producing *legal* headlamps and fog lamps (among the normal gamut of "work lights", "loading lights" and similar) these H7 and H4 "replacements" just don't fit the JW Speaker mold. And the part numbers don't come up with any matches on JWSpeaker.com.
 

Alaric Darconville

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And, so, I am definitely wrong on this:

Mail from JWSpeaker
Hi Alaric,

Yes they are a legitimate product. However they are not street legal in the US and we do not sell them here. The only way to purchase them would be through Invision Sales in Australia.

Thank you,

Alex -----
Customer Care Specialist

"Legitimate" in terms of "legitimately JW Speaker".

Well, I'll be.
 

jaycee88

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"Legitimate" in terms of "legitimately JW Speaker".

Interesting. The Invision Web site does say that the LED bulbs are 'not approved for ADR, ECE or DOT', but does Australia not have a law saying that it's illegal to sell a bulb that would render the headlamp illegal/noncompliant?
 

64.5vette

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Those are real JW speaker bulbs, I went through this argument with someone. JW speaker regretfully produces those because theyre easy profit.
 

Coastal

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You fellas arrived at the correct answer by yourselves.

I am in Australia,

The JWS H7's were the real thing, at least as far as branding, boxing and paperwork. They were $200 for the pair and came from a National Auto Supplier.

They even came with a little slip of paper asking you to write to an email address and help them build a data base of vehicle compatability. It asked you to tell them of any solutions to problems that you experienced and solved. That's great product development!

When you read the fine print on the box it states the lamps are not DOT approved and I think also not ADR approved (though I'm not 100% on this)

As far as I know there is no law prohibiting their sale in Australia.

I can see now why I had trouble finding any information on their website about the lamps. They are very well made and packaged, but like I said previously are not an upgrade as well as being illegal to use.
 

Sadden

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Relatively close to the phillips led bulb design.

Probably close to legal, but not close enough. Poor performance either way.
 

-Virgil-

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I detected some flat notes in that correspondence reported above from JW Speaker, so I put in a call to their chief of R&D to get the actual reality, which it turns out is just what I thought: JW Speaker does not make those "LED bulbs", and had no role in engineering or designing them. Their Australian authorized distributor (Invision Sales) wanted to expand their lineup of LED headlamps, so they got permission (more or less) to put the JW Speaker name and logo on generic Chinese "LED bulbs", the same trash sold under a million different other brand names. This is not actually a JW Speaker product. Of course, the internet means something for sale somewhere is for sale everywhere, so now the JW Speaker name's integrity is diluted by this "false flag" product.

As for performance and legality: "Not even close" is the report from JW Speaker R&D HQ.
 
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