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    Over the past week or so, I've had a couple of people PM me about using the BOSS as a law enforcement duty light. I figured I'd throw my impressions out there and maybe help someone else make a decision.

    I currently have a plain clothes assignment at a 100+ officer department in the Midwest. On occasion, I'll throw on the uniform to work a traffic project, security detail, or just plain old patrol shift. Definitely when working a uniform assignment, and even day-to-day as an investigator, I subscribe to the philosophy of "2 is 1, 1 is none." (Part of the reason is that it seems like I'm always loaning a light to someone on scene who forgot one!).

    I always carried an HDS rotary in my pocket, and would grab a larger light when leaving the station. This is usually some variety of Malkoff with an MD3 or MD4 body. I've since replaced the HDS with my BOSS.

    My first BOSS was a patina 35 w/ 219 emitter. In short, I found the 35 body was, while convenient, shorter than it needed to be. Given the runtime and brightness limitations (at least compared to the larger body) I decided to switch it out. I later scored a 70 body with XPL emitters.

    I usually carry the BOSS with two 18350s, but have an 18650 charged and ready to go. It is carried in my front pants pocket or a pocket on my vest.

    UI:
    One of the major downfalls of a light where you cycle through the modes with the switch is accidentally getting to a lower mode than you want/need. For example, it is common when searching buildings to use a "flash-and-move" technique. This constant on/off cycling can result in cycling through modes when that's not intended. As a result, I actually prefer a UI similar to the high/low ring on Malkoff lights. To remedy this, I have my BOSS set up as High-High-Med-Low. The two cell levels are 31-31-24-12. The one cell levels are proportionate to that. I have yet to accidentally activate a lower level that I wanted to. Even the level 24 is more than adequate for the vast majority of searches. I also find that level 24 is pretty good for general use, such as searching through cars for evidence and the like.

    Beam:
    TBH, I would prefer it if the beam had a bit more throw. I know very little about triple emitter lights, so I don't even know if this is possible. For long distance searches through an open field or a wooded area, the extreme flood of even the narrow clear optic isn't ideal. Because of the lack of throw, I have the light default to the higher levels. I have yet to run into a situation where I need more throw than what my BOSS provides at level 31, but the end result is higher levels, lower runtime, more heat, and more step-down. On the other hand, it is fantastic for closer work. The other night we were searching for shell casings after a shooting. The floody beam from the BOSS at level 24 was great versus the really tight hot-spot of everyone else's Streamlights.

    Runtime:
    My first light was a incan Z2 (I actually still have it sporting a M61). The advances that have been made in the past 15 years are amazing when considering runtime at a given output. Once negative about the BOSS is the relatively shorter runtimes when using the high modes. Part of the problem is that I can't bring myself to use it in the one cell config and have all that potential untapped. This is foolish, as the practical difference between 1933 lumens at one cell and the 2500ish lumens with two cells is nil. Along with runtime is a problem with heat generation. This thing gets HOT. 99/100 times, this is not an issue, but if you're wanting to use it for 15, 20, or more minutes at a time at a high level, it's going to be uncomfortable and step down to the point where its not nearly as useful. I understand this is a limitation of size and battery configuration, but there it is. One thing that makes me feel a lot better about the run time is the built in capability to measure voltage. Every day, I know where I am and can swap out cells if it's any where near depleted

    Reliability:
    So far, the thing's been bulletproof. It's been dropped, wet, slammed up against stuff, used as an improvised impact weapon, and hasn't blinked.

    Conclusion:
    Given the limitations of runtime, heat, and beam pattern, this shouldn't be the only light one carries. However, as stated above, I think somebody is being foolish if they only have one light. If you pick your other light to compliment this one, maybe one with a tighter beam and a larger cell capacity for runtime, this is a great primary duty light. It has usurped my HDS rotary and Malkoff MDC which were my primary plainclothes lights, and will either replace or ride with the Z2/M61 or Surefire Fury that were my primary patrol lights (along with the Wildcat V4 or Hound Dog V3 on my belt). After all, if 2 is 1 and 1 is none, then 3 is 2, right ?

    Probably the biggest recommendation I can give is I'm now trying to justify purchasing the last Oveready V5 dropin to mate with a 2*18650 body. If I can make that happen, it'll ride on my belt and the Hound Dog (or maybe Super Hound Dog) will ride in the car for when needed.

    I hope this was useful for someone else.

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    Thanks for your thoughts! Even those that aren't in law enforcement can take away a lot from this. You highlighted the difference between a triple vs single led and the limitations of each in actual use.

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    Great write up! What was it used as an improvised weapon against?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the0dore3524 View Post
    Great write up! What was it used as an improvised weapon against?
    That is beyond the scope of discussion here, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archimedes View Post
    That is beyond the scope of discussion here, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the0dore3524 View Post
    Haha got it; my bad
    Thanks for your understanding
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    Great write up. Run that 18650. Run time & heat problems both solved.

    Keep the two battery set up for showing off on the weekend:yes:

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    Instead of a V5 Dropin try to find a WASP. I've been using one on duty and love it, the open air design will help cool the light and sustain higher brightness a little longer.

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    That was such a useful post. Thank you so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mk2rocco View Post
    Instead of a V5 Dropin try to find a WASP. I've been using one on duty and love it, the open air design will help cool the light and sustain higher brightness a little longer.
    I was wondering about that. Is there a significant difference between the cooling ability between the WASP and the P60 dropin. What are you using for a body? I'd like to be able to get into a 2x18650 for less that the $400ish that a whole new setup from Oveready would cost, if they have all the parts in stock.

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    Outstanding post k3751, thank you. It does sound like you need to mentally transition to the 1x18650 config though - the slight decrease in initial output should be greatly compensated by the, what, ~3x runtime ?

    The BOSS is certainly on my short list to buy, and I think 1x18650 is going to be the ticket for me- I /love/ a relatively-flat-regulated long-runtime high instead of a thermal-limited 'higher'.

    My last 'build' along these lines was this 2x18650 SureFire 7Z, providing a ~2.5 hour 'high' with a previous-generation OR Triple - when I'm using my brightest lights, I like to not have to worry about runtime.
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    As a plain clothes LEO my EDC is a HDS Rotary. I love the looks of the BOSS but the UI looks way too complex to be used in a duty role. Obviously, you've got it figured out but the charts on the website make my eyes water. I'd prefer high only output to having multiple clicks to get different outputs. The Surefire tactical switches always worked well for me but I steer clear of having to make multiple clicks for different outputs. I wish the BOSS was cop proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummer View Post
    As a plain clothes LEO my EDC is a HDS Rotary. I love the looks of the BOSS but the UI looks way too complex to be used in a duty role. Obviously, you've got it figured out but the charts on the website make my eyes water. I'd prefer high only output to having multiple clicks to get different outputs. The Surefire tactical switches always worked well for me but I steer clear of having to make multiple clicks for different outputs. I wish the BOSS was cop proof.
    That's the beauty. You want high only? Set up all modes to high. Click once, accidentally click 2-3x, so what? always high. (Mode)

    Don't think you can set it up, I bet they'll set it up for you before they ship to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummer View Post
    As a plain clothes LEO my EDC is a HDS Rotary. I love the looks of the BOSS but the UI looks way too complex to be used in a duty role. Obviously, you've got it figured out but the charts on the website make my eyes water. I'd prefer high only output to having multiple clicks to get different outputs. The Surefire tactical switches always worked well for me but I steer clear of having to make multiple clicks for different outputs. I wish the BOSS was cop proof.
    It's funny, my main complaint with the BOSS is that the UI is too simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummer View Post
    As a plain clothes LEO my EDC is a HDS Rotary. I love the looks of the BOSS but the UI looks way too complex to be used in a duty role. Obviously, you've got it figured out but the charts on the website make my eyes water. I'd prefer high only output to having multiple clicks to get different outputs. The Surefire tactical switches always worked well for me but I steer clear of having to make multiple clicks for different outputs. I wish the BOSS was cop proof.
    Drummer, I'll echo Tejasnadre's post. I'm set up so my first three modes are 2500, 2500, and 750 (approx) lumens, all three of which are more than adequate. The only reason I use my fourth "click" as a low (around 15 lumens I believe) is for utility purpose around the house. I haven't had an accidental activation of a lower light level yet. If this was a dedicated tac/entry light, I'd put all modes at the same. No doubt it's not as fool proof as the HDS rotary for selecting multiple outputs, but I haven't looked back. If you're interested, I'd urge you to give it a shot. I can speak from experience that if you don't like it, you'll be able to sell it for virtually no loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k3751 View Post
    Is there a significant difference between the cooling ability between the WASP and the P60 dropin[?]
    An excellent question that has been asked but never answered. People can make informed guesses, and the variables are a challenge. The exterior of the Wasp seems to heat up faster but will cool quicker because of the open design (increased surface area), especially given more air movement and lower ambient temperature. So I think your pattern of use comes into play. For long duration at the highest settings, it seems like the Wasp would perform at a higher sustained output. How much more? Probably undetectable without solid diagnostic tools. It would be very interesting to see a skilled, tested response to your question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KITROBASKIN View Post
    An excellent question that has been asked but never answered. People can make informed guesses, and the variables are a challenge. The exterior of the Wasp seems to heat up faster but will cool quicker because of the open design (increased surface area), especially given more air movement and lower ambient temperature. So I think your pattern of use comes into play. For long duration at the highest settings, it seems like the Wasp would perform at a higher sustained output. How much more? Probably undetectable without solid diagnostic tools. It would be very interesting to see a skilled, tested response to your question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k3751 View Post
    I was wondering about that. Is there a significant difference between the cooling ability between the WASP and the P60 dropin.
    Wasp was specifically designed for cooling. Airflow under the shelf means heat can start shedding almost as soon as its made and one piece contacts means it gets to all surfaces as quickly as possible. P60 feels cooler since it takes longer to reach the surface but does not even start to cool until after it feels hot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drummer View Post
    The Surefire tactical switches always worked well for me but I steer clear of having to make multiple clicks for different outputs. I wish the BOSS was cop proof.
    BOSS (and the new E head) are available in 9 preconfigured mode packages.

    7, 8, and 9 are specifically designed to be cop proof:




    1) go with the 70 length for maximum flexibility/runtime/grip

    2) add a holster for easy uniform/street conversion

    3) go with 9 if you'll be 18650 with 123 backup

    4) go with 8 for the ability to add runtime when needed

    5) go with 7 for absolute maximum only at all times
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    Electronguru- Lol at "Cop Proof" There was a saying when I was serving in the U.S. Army that holds true for cops. I spent 21 years working with 165+/- of our Finest every day, so I feel my perspective is a fair one. The saying was (to paraphrase politely) "If you lock a soldier (or in this case cop) in an empty room for a day with a concrete block or a bowling ball, one or both would be broken when you opened the door."

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    Quote Originally Posted by scout24 View Post
    Electronguru- Lol at "Cop Proof" There was a saying when I was serving in the U.S. Army that holds true for cops. I spent 21 years working with 165+/- of our Finest every day, so I feel my perspective is a fair one. The saying was (to paraphrase politely) "If you lock a soldier (or in this case cop) in an empty room for a day with a concrete block or a bowling ball, one or both would be broken when you opened the door."
    Yes, I should have been more clear. He seems to be referring to the modes being cop proof, so I was referring to the modes. That said, I would love hearing about a BOSS subjected to such real world conditions.
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    ElectronGuru- My apologies, after re-reading my post that was a lighthearted attempt at humor, I realize it may have come off as disparaging. http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...=1#post5032667 This post, showing the durability of not only the BOSS structure, but the electronics as well, leaves no doubt as to the suitability for duty use, regardless of your chosen uniform. Between the battery bumpers, potting, o-ring isolation of the lens, etc, it should stand up to anything you could throw at it. or, it at... I haven't had one misfire with any of my OVEREADY lights over the years, which is why I own as many as I do... I'll show myself out now...

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    Thanks. I'm sure it's my bad. All the stress with logistics this year has me a bit frazzled!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scout24 View Post
    ElectronGuru- My apologies, after re-reading my post that was a lighthearted attempt at humor, I realize it may have come off as disparaging. http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...=1#post5032667 This post, showing the durability of not only the BOSS structure, but the electronics as well, leaves no doubt as to the suitability for duty use, regardless of your chosen uniform. Between the battery bumpers, potting, o-ring isolation of the lens, etc, it should stand up to anything you could throw at it. or, it at... I haven't had one misfire with any of my OVEREADY lights over the years, which is why I own as many as I do... I'll show myself out now...

    Agreed. +1 to Oveready. This is my first OR product. While I won't claim I've been abusing my BOSS, I will admit to intentionally subjecting it to hard use I expect/need it to stand up to. I've experienced issues with Surefire, Streamlight, and even Malkoff (although CS at all three, especially Malkoff, responded in a top notch fashion. So far, my Oveready has been flawless, even to the point where I'm trying to put together a full size duty light.

    Trust me, EG, at almost $400, you'll definitely hear from me if there's any issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElectronGuru View Post
    Thanks. I'm sure it's my bad. All the stress with logistics this year has me a bit frazzled!
    Team Oveready IS on one heck of a roll...

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    So just bought a BoSS 70. Just wondering how it has been holding up

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPA261 View Post
    So just bought a BoSS 70. Just wondering how it has been holding up

    So far, so good!

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    Used mine the other day and love that afterburner. Hard to go back to another light after seeing the potential of the BOSS.

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    @k3751 - would like to see your beat-up BOSS by now...

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    Has there ever been any discussion of an NVG compatible green light instead of the red/amber?

    I am new here so, I apologize if this is a stupid question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeOnTarget View Post
    Has there ever been any discussion of an NVG compatible green light instead of the red/amber?
    Its been requested but I'm having trouble locating a suitable LED. There's no NVG LED store and most of the descriptions are ish, so I'll need to order a selection of 'maybe candidates and see if any are suitable.
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