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    Great question Carnage!!!

    The coatings on these babies were tough. So far I've found that a diluted soapy water dipped tooth brush removes most of the dingey stuff in the textured areas and a good buff with a micro fiber cloth brings the life back. The lenses and reflectors can be tricky as the coating on plastic reflectors scratches very easily. Lenses too.
    Best when gentley finger tip cleaned under a slow running faucet.

    You can apply a car polish if you desire, however the stuff will be difficult to remove from the textured surfaces. If you've ever waxed the lower portions of an automobile with a textured surface it's similar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carnage View Post
    Great thread! Can these flashlight be cleaned up with auto compound and polish to bring back the finish or that that will just ruin the patina/character of them?
    I normally don't touch the finish because like other antiques they are best in original condition. The finish is anodizing on most of these lights so I don't think they'd benefit from polishing. Usually over time the anodizing fades and there's really no way to bring it back without re-anodizing it which would be expensive for a single piece and it would have to be stripped all the way down.

    What I have found very interesting on the fading anodizing is that like all other finishes no one can produce a true black. That's because black is the absence of all color and not a color itself. On the faded lights you'll see purple, blue, even some dark reds. Basically when anodizing a light "black" what the anodizers are doing is anodizing the light a really really dark, red, blue, purple, etc. So much so that it looks black when new. Here's an example below of two black Maglites from around the same time. One stayed new in box and one was well used.



    You can see the used one looks purple due to the anodizing fading away.

    Anyway, that's probably a really long answer to your questions but the long and short is there really isn't a way to repair the existing finish on a light. Re-finishing it is generally expensive or not a good idea if you're a collector. I do use some gun oil from time to time on lights to make the finish look a little nicer though. I use the Gojo orange hand cleaner with pumice to remove dirt and gunk building. These two together will make a light look just about as good as it can be without ruining it's character.

    EDIT: Woo hoo, page 3!!! That's 3 more pages than I ever thought I'd see on vintage lights!! I really hope this gets others interested in collecting because it really is a blast and it's an affordable hobby to get into.
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    For the plastic lenses there is non abrasive plastic polish on the market. They uses chemical cleaners instead of abrasives and with a good microfiber it might bring the optical clarity back to the lenses. Can you use a spray can coating on the lenses like 2k spray clearcoat to help restore the lense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    5 very thin coats of white and 5 very thin coats of clear coat to 'orange peel' it.
    It's inside a cure box inside my home as a fume free way to keep the temp/humidity stable.

    I did a compare after a coat of white to see how it will work. Basically the clear (read coating gone from) reflector cast a very floody beam with a soft spot. The white background did not change that. It did however seem to put more light out front. I'll add some shiney clear coat in a few days as my thought is to have a flooder beam like those lights from the early days.
    Hey Mr. Fixer, wanted to ask ya too. Are you planning on using any kind of chrome paint over this? I have a 3rd gen Kel Lite reflector I want to do and I basically have it sanded down to raw metal so I was thinking starting with a matte white coating and then going to a chrome spray paint but I was wondering if you had any advice as far as brand or type of paint to get so it looks half way decent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiftdT4R View Post
    I normally don't touch the finish because like other antiques they are best in original condition. The finish is anodizing on most of these lights so I don't think they'd benefit from polishing. Usually over time the anodizing fades and there's really no way to bring it back without re-anodizing it which would be expensive for a single piece and it would have to be stripped all the way down.

    What I have found very interesting on the fading anodizing is that like all other finishes no one can produce a true black. That's because black is the absence of all color and not a color itself. On the faded lights you'll see purple, blue, even some dark reds. Basically when anodizing a light "black" what the anodizers are doing is anodizing the light a really really dark, red, blue, purple, etc. So much so that it looks black when new. Here's an example below of two black Maglites from around the same time. One stayed new in box and one was well used.



    You can see the used one looks purple due to the anodizing fading away.

    Anyway, that's probably a really long answer to your questions but the long and short is there really isn't a way to repair the existing finish on a light. Re-finishing it is generally expensive or not a good idea if you're a collector. I do use some gun oil from time to time on lights to make the finish look a little nicer though. I use the Gojo orange hand cleaner with pumice to remove dirt and gunk building. These two together will make a light look just about as good as it can be without ruining it's character.

    EDIT: Woo hoo, page 3!!! That's 3 more pages than I ever thought I'd see on vintage lights!! I really hope this gets others interested in collecting because it really is a blast and it's an affordable hobby to get into.
    I wasn't sure if there were like automotive paint or powder coated on the light. If you were using Gojo which is abrasive would a auto compound be just as good and leave a shine behind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnage View Post
    I wasn't sure if there were like automotive paint or powder coated on the light. If you were using Gojo which is abrasive would a auto compound be just as good and leave a shine behind?
    I use pumice free hand cleaner. Permatex makes it. Back when these lights were new there was no pumice in the go-jo we had access to. It got engine parts sparkling clean without harming the finish when gentley massaged onto the surface and sprayed off with a house typical water pressured garden hose.
    But so far a highly diluted soapy water, a tooth brush and a buffing cloth have made mine look great.

    Now a silver light? Mothers mag wheel polish does wonders for those. (See my 'restore vintage lights' thread for some examples).

    Lift'd, I've seen some stuff used that'll give a very chrome-ish appearance. A 2 stage process where a catalyst is applied then the final product. Look up re-chroming motorcycle parts. I've seen it used on plastics, coated wood and metal. For best look they paint it black first. But I went with white because it reflects light better. Yeah the plan is to try it someday... when I have several reflectors to do so the cost can be spread out over the items. No specific products to reccomend, but I've seen 'spray bottle' applications to air compressed applications and lots in between in youtube videos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carnage View Post
    Great thread! Can these flashlight be cleaned up with auto compound and polish to bring back the finish or that that will just ruin the patina/character of them?
    I would say depends upon what kind of finish-paint,chrome or other. Sometimes just some good soap and water. Other times I like using Blue Magic-Metal Polish cream.

    Other thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnage View Post
    I wasn't sure if there were like automotive paint or powder coated on the light. If you were using Gojo which is abrasive would a auto compound be just as good and leave a shine behind?
    That's a good question. I suppose the pumice could be abrasive but I just use my hands to clean it when doing that and I don't go crazy with it. I actually like the pumice cleaners because it makes it easier to clean out the knurling on the grips. If you tried to use some kind of electric tool or like a brillo pad or something I could see how the pumice would be abrasive.
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    Very busy site here today folks

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    The key is to take your time and be gentle with it.

    And BlueMagic is good stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiftdT4R View Post
    That's a good question. I suppose the pumice could be abrasive but I just use my hands to clean it when doing that and I don't go crazy with it. I actually like the pumice cleaners because it makes it easier to clean out the knurling on the grips. If you tried to use some kind of electric tool or like a brillo pad or something I could see how the pumice would be abrasive.
    I uesd to use Gojo hand cleaner with pumice and when cleaning hands you can feel the grit. I'm not sure sure if Gojo makes different hand cleaners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    The key is to take your time and be gentle with it.

    And BlueMagic is good stuff.
    It's like baby step, try the mildest and work your way up as long there no harm in doing so.

    I haven't use Blue Magic in 10 years plus. I think it's blue in color not sure if it change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnage View Post
    It's like baby step, try the mildest and work your way up as long there no harm in doing so.
    Exactly!, I'm using techniques I learned from restoring car parts from the junkyard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    Exactly!, I'm using techniques I learned from restoring car parts from the junkyard.
    I like detailing cars as a hobby and it's pretty the same, start with the mildest and work your way up from there.

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    I haven't use Blue Magic in 10 years plus. I think it's blue in color not sure if it change.
    So save it for restoring vintage LED lights with all those "bluemens"? lol

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    I like detailing cars as a hobby and it's pretty the same, start with the mildest and work your way up from there.
    Yup. Hondas R&D cars (the Prelude and Integra) tried all kinds of coatings over alloys so I did a lot of R&D myself as I was restoring a 97 Prelude.
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    Come to think about it, isn't all or most of Blue Coral product is blue because of the name?

    I had the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, generation of Prelude and one with the all wheel steering. I was going to pick up 2000 Integra and put performance parts in it but then I got a job at a Toyota dealership and got into Celica. Now that I'm older, I started driving SUV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnage View Post
    I was going to pick up 2000 Integra and put performance parts in it but then I got a job at a Toyota dealership and got into Celica. Now that I'm older, I started driving SUV.
    Right on! Please tell me it's a 4Runner. Isn't that the only SUV Toyota makes? That's where my user name comes from. Ive been using it since I got my 4Runner in 2001 and joined my first forum, a Toyota board. Unfortunately I had to get rid of the yota in 2013. I would have bought another one if it wasn't for lack of aftermarket for off-road. It was an awesome truck. One day I'll buy a Land Cruiser but that's a ways away.
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    My son currently owns a 91, 93 and 01 Prelude. I have a 97 All black.


    The 91 has lived indoors it's whole life except a few months I had it under a real nice cover. At one point we had 3 91's, a 93, 95, an 01 and a 97 all under restoration at the same time. The 95 was murdered by a red light runner and man that was a minty, fast car. 2 91's were falling apart faster than we could fix them. My 97 is in mothballs. The 01 is in progress of weight savings and added ponies while the 93 is his daily and the remaining 91 is 99% completed to dang near mint condition.


    Now thanks to a tip by a certain 4runner fan I have an east meets west Streamlight enroute that was made shortly after the Kel-Lite acquisition


    And a GT Price smoke cutter I won at auction for less than the price of a fast food combo.


    Idea being to keep the LA Screw history talk going as the details are known and to add to the Kel-Lite saga. It was written in one of the posts and at Atmobats thread that Don Keller later acquired GT Price and re-kindled Kel-Lite via Smoke Cutter Jr's. (Thought I'd landed some but seller later said "oops I'm outta those but I'll sell you some Bison Tech stuff... alluding to the Bison Sports stuff made by disgruntled members of Tony Maglicas family... and Bison Tech is $5 stuff available all over the place)

    Now looking at the pix of the Smoke Cutter it looks like some Carnage questions may be answered soon, because it appears to be in need of mucho-grande' TLC.

    I said this won't be about SureFire and meant it. But did want to say I scored a minty version of an early rechargeable model from days when Carlisle may have used Streamlight bulbs due to lack of stock. The Laser Products 6R.
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    Double post-play-thru...

    I have found some potentially promising products at Eastwood the famous automotive coatings company. It's called "almost chrome" and is apparently meant for restoring old tail light reflectors. $19 rattle can but I aint skeered. Not looking for a mirror like factory, but if it'll reflect enough to show what color shirt I'm wearing I'm cool with that.
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    My all wheel steering Prelude got hit in the rear and drove the same again. The rear steering was off and no wheel alignment could fix, it was a same

    Nice little collection of Preludes you have.

    Can't wait to see those lights all clean up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    Double post-play-thru...

    I have found some potentially promising products at Eastwood the famous automotive coatings company. It's called "almost chrome" and is apparently meant for restoring old tail light reflectors. $19 rattle can but I aint skeered. Not looking for a mirror like factory, but if it'll reflect enough to show what color shirt I'm wearing I'm cool with that.

    The 2k clear coat I mention earlier for the plastic lense is at the Eastwood Co. They have a lot of restoration products chemical and tools for auto, marine, metal, plastic etc.

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    We avoided 4ws due to the frequent alignments required or they went through tires fast. Fun car though.

    Eastwood was a spot we knew of for powdercoat stuff and it never dawned on me until Fathers Day to look up reflector restore there... until my son suggested it.

    I added some quote-age by Ed Tor as either corrective or gap filling info to some posts on page 1. Between Liftd, sgt and myself we have bombarded him with questions through e-mail correspondence. He told me we are pique-ing his memory a little at a time and pictures have helped there. Keep in mind we are asking him detailed questions not much different than "what was your favorite sandwich in 1975?" if ya know what I mean. But he has been a gold mine of information... a gold mine that was closed in the late 1980's... anyway he has patiently been confirming or correcting our conjectures thus far. And I thank him for all he has done for us.

    Below is some quote by Ed about the red bar'd switch on my 5D as he cleared up a ton of questions about that one that was apparently not a very popular idea.

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    I included the "no hole" exception above because I looked again at that strange switch on the Code 4 from ebay and now on CP Forum and it 'tweaked' a very dim memory. I do think I remember one or two lights with those type switches. The switch had a bad 'feel' to it and its production was such a tiny 'blip' on the time line screen it's got to be more rare than those Back Up Lites. I think they appeared between the good L.A. Screw double-sided and the single-sided referred to above. I think it was supposed to work like a toggle and not a button. That might be a hint why the one on CP Forum doesn't work.
    End quote

    It seems in my use as a signaler. Perhaps a part is broken that used to 'hold it' to on... it can operate by pushing forward, pulling rearward or pushing inward. I found that carrying it with the switch pulled rearward aint so bad but would rather it have an on feature too.

    I plan on trying an HPR bulb in it for a 2 cell and 3 cell setup since it now has the Qualtech alluminum reflector. But when the Smoke Cutter arrives I'll do some Lego action between the two lights. Perhaps a signaling Smoke Cutter and a Code 4 thrower.

    Speaking of thrower, that 2,cell B-Lite with a 2 cell white star bulb and LA Screw reflector... good night Irene. That sucker throws an awesome pencil beam 100 yards easy.

    Speaking of beams....
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    Here we are at over 80 posts and not a single beam shot.
    ⊙▁⊙

    For those of us who lived it, it was easy to remember how not only were these babies able to bash a headlight of a perp trying to acost an officer and still blind dope smoking hippies later in the shift... but the beam at a distance was also an incredible advancement. So to the younger crowd who yawn at incan output or just don't get the excitement I'll show some beams from my current collection. When you push the on button in your living room they are certainly not impressive. But when it's dark out the beams look like they were shot out of a shotgun barrel.

    I generally prefer the shorter versions... 2-3 cell with a couple of 4 cell lights. The 5+ were incredible.


    Here's my plastic Pro-Light
    It arrived without a cord to recharge the 6 volt battery so for now I have 3D cells (4.5-ish volts) and it puts out a pretty good beam as is.
    Note: my neighbors garage is 297' from my back door and has been used in numerous beam shots here at CPF.


    My LA Screw is set up for general use.
    Currently I have a TungSol bulb in it as they provide a real nice glow with nary an artifact. That and I forgot where I stashed the Chicago Minature hoard. But the smooth Qualtech reflector also provides a nice clean beam. I showed the wall shot to give the picture of the nice beam it provides. The light is not functioning at 100% as efficient as possible because I've yet to give all metal parts a good going over.


    The B-Lite pencil beam
    Frankly I was shocked at how far this one throws. The LA Screw reflector provides a nice spill as well but this one threw well past the garage. It also lit the dark cat on top of the dark car near the garage but my camera would not capture what I saw.


    This is using the white reflector
    The stock B-Lite reflector arrived clear. 99.99999% of the reflective material had peeled off. Taking cues from antiques and some modern Elzetta/Streamlight lights I tried white background knowing it would provide a nice floody beam. Great for indoor use when kicking in doors and ID-ing good guy vs bad guys tactics are required.

    Now some Maglites. All dialed to spot beam.

    The fabled 4C with a CPF twist.
    Up 'til I arrived here I liked the 4C in stock platform. I found a bi-pin version but absolutely hated the beam. So an old school bulb fastener was swapped in and a 3 cell krypton was used. Not a heck of a lot more lumens, but a much nicer beam that burns a lot whiter. I'm on my second set of Rayovacs and still using the same bulb. (Bi-pin setup is in the tailcap)


    A 3D in stock platform
    This "heavy duty" was on clearance so I bought a few. About the same length as a 4C and nearly as bright, these were some great flashlights in their day.


    A CPF'd 2C
    Well, I had been able to get a couple hundred lumens from the 2C ML25 incan version using solar lamp batteries and 4 cell bi-pin bulb so I thought "why not the full size?" This one has a krypton sized hole in the reflector, which provides a nice gap around the bulb. (9mm hole, 3-ish mm bulb). Using a stock reflector and lens this sucker is pretty bright.

    This one is dedicated to 1pt21

    About a thousand lumens here.
    Yup, when the worlds brightest LED's had barely reached 300 lumens the 1000 lumen Maglites were nearly ten years old!!! When this one arrived I did not own batteries good enough to fuel it. I ordered some hi-flo Panasonics. But before they arrived my curiosity was such that I stuck 4 CR123's into the Delrin sleeve. In seconds the barrel felt warm in my hand. Not digging the idea of a lithium hand gernade exploding I quickly removed those and waited for the proper fuel cells to arrive.
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    I got my package from Ed Tor at Qual Tech yesterday and I had a nice surprise. An old Qual Tech / LA Screw Brochure. This brochure is nice in that it shows Qual Tech's awesome charger, which was the first charger for a rechargeable flashlight as well as most of L.A. Screws lineup.



    This side shows a Medical L.A. Screw in the Luma Tech charging setup along with the Code 4 and Smoke Cutter.



    This side shows an un-named model but going by the model designation of PP. I'm guessing this is the Power Probe that Ed spoke about. The only model that's not shown is the gold anodized Sea Probe.

    I'm not in law enforcement so I thought it was interesting that they noted the meaning of Code 4 in this brochure. It means "No Further Assistance Required". I really thought that was a great marketing choice for the name of this light. I'm looking forward to try to find examples of each one of these lights to add to my collection in the future.

    I should also note that the previous GT Price light I posted in a standard Code 4 with the optional Vari-Probe attachment and a red filter as per the man himself Ed Tor.
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    Good stuff there!!!

    History gap filler for sure. Ah, the elusive Sea Probe still eludes... could be more photos of the Lochness Monster than a Sea Probe.

    My east vs west Kel-Stream arrived. I'll post some pix when I can to show some Kel-Lite ideas that were incorparated into Maglites... bezel and tail cap swap and the bulb assembly/switch assembly look awful similar...

    Here goes:

    Meh, different enough, right?


    But wait a minute...


    Doesn't thread in 100%, but 99.5 though


    Look familiar?


    Disassembly


    Diassembled. Mag reflector fits btw.


    Just thought it was cool that inside the barrel is perfect

    Haven't fired it up yet, but also discovered the Malkoff Mag drop in can work too.
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    This one is dedicated to 1pt21

    About a thousand lumens here.
    Yup, when the worlds brightest LED's had barely reached 300 lumens the 1000 lumen Maglites were nearly ten years old!!! When this one arrived I did not own batteries good enough to fuel it. I ordered some hi-flo Panasonics. But before they arrived my curiosity was such that I stuck 4 CR123's into the Delrin sleeve. In seconds the barrel felt warm in my hand. Not digging the idea of a lithium hand gernade exploding I quickly removed those and waited for the proper fuel cells to arrive.
    Hell yeah brother!! I've hotwired quite a few mags in my day ranging from the simple ROP, to Philips 5761's, all the way into custom FM bi-pin bulbs. As I mentioned earlier, I'll dig some out this weekend and snap a few pics for ya. They don't really belong in this thread (so I'll only take up one post slot), but I wanted to show how similar the bi-pin socket shown in your Pro-Light rechargeable looks to a custom one I put together with parts from CPF members that have long been forgotten (the parts, not the CPF members)... I still love them, I pack an ROP'd 2C (2x 18650 or 2x 26500) every time we go camping and it gets the most use. I admit it, I am still an incan guy.

    Sorry for getting off topic, it's Byks fault..... STOP poking the bear



    BTW, I absolutely LOVE that they refer to our modern-day terminology of "runtime" as "burntime" in the literature posted above by Liftd!!!! I mean, that what it was riiiight??? Very interesting/informative thread guys!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    My east vs west Kel-Stream arrived. I'll post some pix when I can to show some Kel-Lite ideas that were incorparated into Maglites... bezel and tail cap swap and the bulb assembly/switch assembly look awful similar...

    Just thought it was cool that inside the barrel is perfect

    Haven't fired it up yet, but also discovered the Malkoff Mag drop in can work too.
    A bit of info for ya on why so many parts interchange and some Streamlight history...

    The barrels were extruded with the same dimensions and on a similar machine so that standard taps and dies could be used. From the folks I talked to that engineered these lights the were mainly designed so they could use standard tooling which would keep the costs down. For instance if Mag or Streamlight has to make proprietary taps to do threading the cost would be astronomical. Instead they just designed the barrel around taps that were available. This is why so many parts interchange between so many lights.

    I want to say this 3rd gen Kel-Lite came about in 1983 when Streamlight took over Kel-Lite. I'd love to know more about the early history of Streamlight. The basics that I know are they started out as an industrial lighting manufacturer making lights for NASA and others. They also distributed lighting products and wound up distributing Kel-Lites for Norm Nelson in the late 70s. Norm wound up getting into some kind of debt with them and they ended up having an agreement where Kel-Lite's engineers at least assisted in the development of the SL-20, Streamlight's first aluminum flashlight, and the first in house engineered rechargeable flash light in around 1978. Streamlight at some point then bought out the rest of Kel-Lite and took over production of their alkaline lights as well in 1983. I believe they finally did away with the Kel-Lite name and cheapened the light further into the Excaliber by 1988 and it went out of production in the early 90s. The Excalibers do not have a removable bezel and the reflector and lens are not serviceable but still say Barstow and Norristown on the tail cap.

    EDIT: Clarified that the SL-20 was Streamlight's first aluminum flashlight. Thanks Mr. Fixer for the educational article about the high intensity handheld lights they made prior to the SL-20. Interestingly I don't see any patents for Streamlight before 1978 and the SL-20 so I'm wondering if they didn't just market that for someone else or if they went by a different name.
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    Default Re: The vintage California cop light company thread


    From the Kennedy Space Center archives

    I forget if I read it at Bright Guy's flashlight university or Battery University, but there was a write up by Streamlight talking about their 5 million candle power light in '73 for NASA and the 1 million candle power handheld in '74. Sure the light was handheld but one needed a shoulder strap to carry all of the batteries. I also heard or read somebody developed a belt to carry the batteries.

    But looking at pix of early SL 20's and my Pro-Light "Phaser Lights" PLC-20 (that was made at about the same time as the arrival of the SL 15 and 20) , there are remarkable similarities. I tried an SL15x module but it's reflector is larger diameter and deeper so the Pro-Light bezel won't go over it.

    It's why the quest for an early SL20. The hope is the charger cord at the charger is similar enough to work. I read here that the SL15 reflector and 3 D cells would work in the Phaser Lights PLC 10. I do know 3 D's will work in the PLC 20.

    Good info Lift'd. It's ironic Don hired Norman to help get Kel-Lite out of debt and Norman's Kel-Lite debt led to Streamlight aquiring it. Another irony is how Streamlight nearly went under for placing writing on the bezel. They pulled it together later with a government contract for the Scorpion, which had striking similarities to early SureFires... ah the crazy mixed up world of the vintage California Cop Light....

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