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    Quote Originally Posted by KITROBASKIN View Post
    How about behavior, or yoghurt? Looks more interesting so that's how some of us write it. And calling a flashlight torch?Thanks to the Brits, yeah?

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    I received the D4 ti I ordered on Dec 31st. I got the raw version XP-L Hi V3 1A 6500k and so far I am pleased. The machining and feel are perfect. I like the flat top cut knurling and the balance is nice the weight of the Ti body works nicely with the copper head.

    I have compared it to my Vihn D4 that has an aluminum body and the ramping is almost exactly the same when turned on in high with freshly charged Sony VTC6A's.

    I also ordered the 16340 tube and will try it out once I get a couple high output cells, probably the Efest 700 Ma unprotected, but I am open to suggestions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadAmos View Post
    ...I also ordered the 16340 tube and will try it out once I get a couple high output cells, probably the Efest 700 Ma unprotected, but I am open to suggestions.
    It's not a 16340 tube. It's an 18350 tube. 18350 cells are the same width is 18650. They're slightly wider than 16340. While you could use a 16340 in the Emisar D4 with shorty tube, you're better off using an 18350 for extra power.

    The good news is there is one 18350 that towers above the rest in performance. It outperforms EVERY 16340 and 18350 cell by a huge amount. That cell is the Aspire 1100 mAh 18350. It's a high-drain cell for maximum performance and its tested capacity really is 1100 mAh. It even outperforms the larger 18500 cell, and will give you performance close to that of a quality 18650.

    Aspire 1100 mAh 18350s may be hard to find, but they are hands-down the best choice of cell for the D4 if you're not using full-sized 18650s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireclaw18 View Post
    It's not a 16340 tube. It's an 18350 tube. 18350 cells are the same width is 18650. They're slightly wider than 16340. While you could use a 16340 in the Emisar D4 with shorty tube, you're better off using an 18350 for extra power.

    The good news is there is one 18350 that towers above the rest in performance. It outperforms EVERY 16340 and 18350 cell by a huge amount. That cell is the Aspire 1100 mAh 18350. It's a high-drain cell for maximum performance and its tested capacity really is 1100 mAh. It even outperforms the larger 18500 cell, and will give you performance close to that of a quality 18650.

    Aspire 1100 mAh 18350s may be hard to find, but they are hands-down the best choice of cell for the D4 if you're not using full-sized 18650s.
    The KeepPower 1200mAh is readily available now too and has similar performance. Here it is...

    https://www.illumn.com/batteries-cha...-flat-top.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tachead View Post
    The KeepPower 1200mAh is readily available now too and has similar performance. Here it is...

    https://www.illumn.com/batteries-cha...-flat-top.html
    Thanks to both of you I did mean 18350 but I did not know about the Aspire cells so I now have four on order that have the 1100 mAh wrappers.

    The KeepPower cells look good as well and I will pick up a couple to try soon.

    I plan on using 18650 cells (Sony high drain) most of the time but like the idea of the ultra compact config.
    Last edited by MadAmos; 01-14-2018 at 09:23 PM.
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    My guess is the KeepPower are just rewrapped Aspire cells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadAmos View Post
    I plan on using 18650 cells (Sony high drain) most of the time but like the idea of the ultra compact config.
    If you want the absolute brightest possible performance on a full cell use Sony VTC5A. Max output will decline quickly though and after a little bit output would be higher on a VTC6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireclaw18 View Post
    If you want the absolute brightest possible performance on a full cell use Sony VTC5A. Max output will decline quickly though and after a little bit output would be higher on a VTC6.
    I have quite a few VTC6A cells that I have been using with my other D4 lights so that is not a problem. I rarely use them at the highest setting just an occasional quick burst but I enjoy the ramping UI and the reliable access to the lowest setting.
    Paul

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    It seems as though everyone jumped on the raw Ti... I went to order one and they are out of stock :/ I hope they get restocked soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tachead View Post
    The KeepPower 1200mAh is readily available now too and has similar performance. Here it is...

    https://www.illumn.com/batteries-cha...-flat-top.html
    Thanks for the link. Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be readily available in the UK.
    Do you know if illumn ships to the UK?
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    My Emisar D4 Ti arrived but the extra 18350 tube that I ordered didn't. I've asked it to be sent on.

    I like the light and it seems excellent value for money. Its my first Emisar of any kind.

    I can't expect it to have the same feel as a custom light but the threads of the tailcap do appear to be quite gritty. Not sure if anyone else has noticed this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by easilyled View Post
    Thanks for the link. Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be readily available in the UK.
    Do you know if illumn ships to the UK?
    No problem👍.

    I am not sure but they are really nice guys so, just shoot them an email and I am sure they will get right back to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easilyled View Post
    Thanks for the link. Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be readily available in the UK.
    Do you know if illumn ships to the UK?
    Not sure about the UK specifically but i do know they ship internationally as im in Canada and received an order from them just yesterday. They were even nice enough to forget to put the full amount on the customs declaration so i did not owe duty on the order. I have always had fantastic service from illumn. Would recommend them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easilyled View Post
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    I like the light and it seems excellent value for money. Its my first Emisar of any kind.

    I can't expect it to have the same feel as a custom light but the threads of the tailcap do appear to be quite gritty. Not sure if anyone else has noticed this?
    Although I don't (yet) have an Emisar in Ti, I have had many different titanium flashlights, both custom and production.

    Although there are exceptions, generally the threads on the customs are rather smoother than those compared with the mass production items, and usually substantially so.

    The issue is that Ti is prone to galling, and any minor imperfections (variances, tolerances, etc) in the threading will tend to "grab"

    Appropriate lubrication will help, sometimes quite a bit, and normal wear does tend to "break in" the threads (at the expense of microscopic material loss, associated thread wear, and in extreme cases thread sloppiness)

    I think that is mostly what discolors the lubricants as they darken ... more metal particles than actual "dirt" in many cases.

    In any case, I find that the Krytox tends to darken more slowly after the first few changes
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    Quote Originally Posted by archimedes View Post
    Although I don't (yet) have an Emisar in Ti, I have had many different titanium flashlights, both custom and production.

    Although there are exceptions, generally the threads on the customs are rather smoother than those compared with the mass production items, and usually substantially so.

    The issue is that Ti is prone to galling, and any minor imperfections (variances, tolerances, etc) in the threading will tend to "grab"

    Appropriate lubrication will help, sometimes quite a bit, and normal wear does tend to "break in" the threads (at the expense of microscopic material loss, associated thread wear, and in extreme cases thread sloppiness)

    I think that is mostly what discolors the lubricants as they darken ... more metal particles than actual "dirt" in many cases.

    In any case, I find that the Krytox tends to darken more slowly after the first few changes
    Thanks archimedes. Yes, I have heard galling mentioned many times when it comes to Ti threads, yet the custom makers seem to excel at particularly smooth threads even in Ti. I guess that's why you'd pay at least five times as much if this were a custom light! Anyway I can live with it. It is a fairly minor issue for an otherwise very impressive light and, as you say, they may smooth out with time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tachead View Post
    No problem👍.

    I am not sure but they are really nice guys so, just shoot them an email and I am sure they will get right back to you.
    Thanks.
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    How do you find the weight balance to be on the D4 Ti ?

    There had been some concern about possible awkwardness due to the heavy copper heatsink sitting towards the front ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by archimedes View Post
    How do you find the weight balance to be on the D4 Ti ?

    There had been some concern about possible awkwardness due to the heavy copper heatsink sitting towards the front ....
    The weight distribution is more towards the head but not to the point of causing any awkwardness for me. Its a beefy light altogether and the 18650 creates some weight as a counterbalance in the battery tube. Tailstanding is very secure and it doesn't feel like its remotely likely to topple over.
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    That sounds very nice, I appreciate your detailed description
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    +1, easilyled. The balance was my one concern before ordering. I'm greatly enjoying the aluminum version, just wish it had a nice solid bezel down pocketclip...
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    The D4 Ti is about 30 grams less mass than the D1S.

    This sample has a little roughness near the most forward edge of the bezel piece around the circumference. I may smooth it out. The copper shows some light machine marks but is smooth. Very much excited to see how it ages.

    A solid little handy good looking tool for sure. Will take it out tonight.

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    Got my Cyan 219c today. I must say, it certainly lives up the hype - very impressive relative to the cost. Iíve yet to try it out at night, but canít wait! This thing seems like a real pocket rocket. I was looking forward to receiving the Tactician today, but the Emisar really got me excited.

    Also: Does anyone know what the max output is on an 18350 for 219C? I know itís less than with 18650, but man itís bright!
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    Quote Originally Posted by the0dore3524 View Post
    Got my Cyan 219c today. I must say, it certainly lives up the hype - very impressive relative to the cost. Iíve yet to try it out at night, but canít wait! This thing seems like a real pocket rocket....

    Also: Does anyone know what the max output is on an 18350 for 219C? I know itís less than with 18650, but man itís bright!
    Pretty fun, eh ?

    This review ...

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=443327

    ... says ~ 3k lm
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    Quote Originally Posted by archimedes View Post
    Pretty fun, eh ?

    This review ...

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=443327

    ... says ~ 3k lm
    Thanks Arch! It certainly is a lumen monster. Itís not going to make a budget-light convert anytime soon, but Iím duly impressed. Didnít realize how bright these things could get. That being said, there is definitely a gap between these types of lights and customs/higher-end ones. The threads on my specimen are quite gritty and I dislike the chalky texture. Still though, I can see why this light earns the praise it does.

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    I want a D4 with the HI 4000k but mtn elect never has em. Maybe soon i hope

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncvarmint2016 View Post
    I want a D4 with the HI 4000k but mtn elect never has em. Maybe soon i hope
    I was also set on the 4000K 5D tint as well so I ordered directly from intl-outdoor. It took about three weeks to get to the states.
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    I haven't been in a big hurry to report this to y'all, but I've found that the D4 with a lower Kelvin temp is more blinding on high, as well as more useful on low, than the Cool HI 6500K...
    But yes it gets hot real quick, and there's undoubtedly fewer "lumens".

    I tried it a few weeks ago, writing this just inspired me to try it again, I'm regretting it now and I'm going to take an extra MacuGuard eye support vitamin and hope this mild headache that seems to originate at the back of my eyeballs goes away soon.
    I think it's the IR.
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    So I just got the D1S, and I'm really liking it, the UI is great now that I have it in hand. To me it has a lot of similarities with the Zebralight UI, which I love. I'm considering upgrading my SC32w to a D4 with the 18350 tube, but I'd like to see a pic of the two next to each other. Anyone have both? Also, I'd like to know how much heavier the D4 is than the SC32 with the 18350 tube. I've only seen the weight listed with the 18650 tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeyGuysWatchThis View Post
    Also, I'd like to know how much heavier the D4 is than the SC32 with the 18350 tube. I've only seen the weight listed with the 18650 tube.
    I don't have the SC32w; but, my Aluminium Emisar D4 with the 18350 tube, no cell, with my un-calibrated kitchen scale and calipers, is 1.8 oz (52g), 2.488" long (63.2mm). Cute little bottom-of-the-pocket light, best value light of 2017 in my opinion for both 18350 and 18650. The 18350 tube has multiple OD that range from .886" to .984" (22.5-24.99mm). Not as durable anodize as my ZL, but better-looking (I really like my black and green legoed version), and more impressive to show off for 30 seconds or less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadAmos View Post
    I have quite a few VTC6A cells that I have been using with my other D4 lights so that is not a problem. I rarely use them at the highest setting just an occasional quick burst but I enjoy the ramping UI and the reliable access to the lowest setting.
    Where did you buy yoir vtc6a? I couldnt find them anywhere. I bought a bunch of vtc6 yesterday instead. Ivwish theu were the vtc6a.

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