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    Default I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    I bought this about 10 years ago. Been sitting in my closet the whole time. Can I update the head so that I get the latest emitter?

    Iím amazed how expensive these things have gotten.

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    Default I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Send it to someone to change the emitter, or learn how yourself.

    Or sell it, can probably get about $120 for it.
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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by youngster View Post
    Can I update the head
    click this link to ask the man that still makes HDS

    and read this if you want a refresher on the features and programming
    Last edited by jon_slider; 10-12-2017 at 09:09 PM.

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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by jon_slider View Post
    click this link to ask the man that still makes HDS

    and read this if you want a refresher on the features and programming
    i asked the man. He said the head couldnít be upgraded. Guess Iíll just hold onto it.

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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Give it to me ? Just a thought.

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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    In my opinion is always a modern and actual flashlight. I own and use many. Contact CPF member Nitroz for a nice led upgrade.
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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Also gunga could chuck a more up to date LED in there.
    My two 120ís were done UK side by CRX(and a mates). Nichia 219b 4000k in one(recommend) and 219c 5000k in another(love this for day time uses). Initial readings to after the LED swap showed at least 3x the output.
    I would have thought you would get similar result with the 60.

    The last two gold ones, measured before and after


    Novatac Twins
    Before
    High Ė 54lm
    Low Ė 8lm

    After Nichia 219C D280 5000k 80CRI
    High Ė 220lm
    Low Ė 38lm

    .
    Before
    High Ė 74lm
    Low Ė 10lm

    After Nichia NVSL219BT-V1 4000K 90+ CRI
    High Ė 250lm
    Low Ė 38lm

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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ven View Post
    Initial readings to after the LED swap showed at least 3x the output.
    great info!
    and the EDC Basic can be clicked 250 times to be programmable like an EDC Ultimate, so the low mode can be reduced and the other modes can be spaced accordingly..

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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Id leave it be. Old hds lights are fantastic as is and there getting harder and harder to get your hands on.
    If i had one day left to live i would want to be at my workplace.Because every day is like a frickin eternity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermal guy View Post
    Id leave it be. Old hds lights are fantastic as is and there getting harder and harder to get your hands on.
    Yeah I agree. I think it will just go up in value, just like Arc flashlights. Iím keeping it as is. Itís in ideal condition.

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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by youngster View Post
    I think it will just go up in value
    Up in value?

    The original price was $160:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20050204...omparison.html

    2 years ago, a couple went for $110
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...EDC-XRGT-added

    as ven pointed out, you could upgrade both the CRI and Lumens with an LED upgrade.. That Would increase the Value imo. You would then have a light that is as bright as the present models, for about $81 less, minus the cost of upgrade. (EDC Executive costs $241)

    Some people like upgrading the LED in the 42 lumen model even better, because they are brighter after the upgrade..
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...=1#post5006042

    I suggest you USE your light. If you put it back in the closet for another 10 years, I don't see any benefit.. but, its yours, do whatever makes you smile :-)

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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    They may not skyrocket in price but 5 years from now they will be rare as hens teeth 🙂
    If i had one day left to live i would want to be at my workplace.Because every day is like a frickin eternity.

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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    I agree with people who recommend leaving it as is. I have some lamps with "old" leds, and it is a pleasure to look at them turned off as well as turned on. Shapes and tints change, and for me being a flashaholic is also loving my old lights with this greenish Luxeon I led or this pinkish SSC P4...
    My HDS Action Light from 1999 would make no sense with upgraded TIR optics and XM-L2 led...

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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by youngster View Post
    I bought this about 10 years ago. Been sitting in my closet the whole time. Can I update the head so that I get the latest emitter?

    Iím amazed how expensive these things have gotten.
    Keeping in original is always good for collectors.

    BUT, should you decide to upgrade the LED here are the results from the upgrade to my old HDS B60.

    Orignal LuxIII on left and Nichia 219c 4000K on the right; same camera exposure and white balance.


    Simple emitter swap (well not so simple) but done without modding the driver, head or original Luxeon LED (which can always be reinstalled).
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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    If happy with the colour temp and gets plenty of use, I agree no point. But if itís going to get shoved in a draw because itís too cold or blue or etc etc. Itís a great option to upgrade with a more modern LED keeping the classic HDS form. Pic your flavour and enjoy the light, rather than just storing it. Thatís me though, the little novatac recently was not too bad in original state. The beam was pure white, no actual tint. But it was not very bright and washed colours out a little. I would not have used it much as I would have simply grabbed a preferable light with a more pleasing beam. This had a 219c 5000k to keep a more pure white, yet colours now are not washed out. Not only more enjoyable (for me as subjective),but it gets used and part of my edc rotation. The lumen bump was a bonus! Itís surprisngly bright and more than enough on high for 95% of my uses.
    Advatages lower vf, brighter , nicer beam colour temp/tint. Lifeís too short, might as well just enjoy it to your preferences, if thatís standard then even better.....money saved

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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by pc_light View Post
    Keeping in original is always good for collectors.

    BUT, should you decide to upgrade the LED here are the results from the upgrade to my old HDS B60.

    Orignal LuxIII on left and Nichia 219c 4000K on the right; same camera exposure and white balance.


    Simple emitter swap (well not so simple) but done without modding the driver, head or original Luxeon LED (which can always be reinstalled).
    Great info, thanks for the photo!

    Have you 250click, to reset original sublumen and 10 lumen modes?

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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Mine was a LE, upgraded with a XP-L to bring lumens level to current standards (dark doesnít get darker, but my eyes get older and older...).
    Did the 250click trick way too many time, to bring it to a Basic/Ultimate standard programming, and lower the lowest mode at its minimum.

    Lower Vf current leds help a lot in runtime, and of course brightness. Modding is easy, and you can always go back to the original emitter.
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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Good ideas in this thread, ranked:

    3. Swap the emitter. As I type this, there's a B60 with a 219 emitter clipped to my belt.

    2. Leave it as is. The beam on these is great. If you click the hell out it to get to the options menu and turn on locator flash, it makes a great emergency light that you can find in a blackout (I have an unmodded Basic model filling this duty), or a bedside light. Locator flash will run for two years on the original models.

    1. Give it to me.
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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    I just bought a used HDS basic in not working condition is it true I can't replace the driver as well as the emitter? Not sure currently why the light isn't working but I would sacrifice the UI for a working modern light if need be

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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rm219 View Post
    I just bought a used HDS basic in not working condition is it true I can't replace the driver as well as the emitter? Not sure currently why the light isn't working but I would sacrifice the UI for a working modern light if need be
    Ya Henry can only do so much with his old lights. He had to get rid of all the equipment and parts for them.but get hold of him he may have a suggestion for you to try or he will take it in trade for a new one. Think he give you $80 bucks for it.if he says it might be the switch pm me.
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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Piling in on the old thread...some years back datiLED put an XM-L into my U60. If you REALLY like the light... Given the price of other lights, I'd suggest keeping it as is, a historic piece and finding a contemporary light to use. For the close up work, the 45-80 lumen range works well for the tasks I have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rm219 View Post
    HDS basic in not working condition
    send it to Henry

    Quote Originally Posted by RA40 View Post
    I'd suggest keeping it as is
    its not working..

    He can get a credit towards a new model:
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...=1#post5228951

    Quote Originally Posted by Hogokansatsukan View Post
    Basically to the degree that he will give a credit on the older light or replace it.
    He sold all the stuff to service... though I wouldn't doubt he could take one apart and work on it if he was so inclined... which he isn't.

    Warranty service on EDC UltimateTM and EDC BasicTM flashlightsWe sold the EDC Ultimate and EDC Basic product lines in May 2006 along with all of the tooling, spare parts and fixtures required to provide warranty repairs. We learned from our valued customers in 2007 that warranty service was no longer being provided for these products. We find this unacceptable. Effective immediately, we will provide warranty service for the EDC Ultimate and EDC Basic flashlights. As we have no spare parts, tools or fixtures, we will replace flashlights we cannot fix with new flashlights. We will honor the light output and runtime specifications of the light exchanged. If your light must be exchanged and you would rather upgrade to one of our current models, we will provide you an $80 credit toward the purchase of any of our current models, including custom models.We want you to know that we value you as a customer. And we want you to know we are here for the long term. We appreciate your business and hope that when it's time for you to get a new flashlight, you will think of us.

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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Thanks Jon, was looking at the OP's post so missed Rm219's that his wasn't working. That's cool Henry is supporting them by applying credit.
    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by RA40 View Post
    Thanks Jon, was looking at the OP's post so missed Rm219's that his wasn't working. That's cool Henry is supporting them by applying credit.
    no worries, it makes total sense since the first post is about a working light

    and yes, the Henry option is good if Rm219 wants a credit toward a new light, such as a Rotary.

    otoh, to keep the Piece of History Light, Rm219 has received generous offers from members willing to repair it, and he even has the option to upgrade the LED to a Holy Grail Nichia

    great community!

    speaking of Holy Grail Nichia
    Hot LED Tip, Buy Now!
    last chance to buy more sw45
    https://www.virence.com/product-page/nvsl219bt-v1

    Thats the 219b 4500k 9080 LED going into many of the next Titanium Rotary HDS
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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Break it! Send it in for a warranty repair. Since the old heads are long gone, you'll get a free upgrade!

    (Yes, I'm totally kidding. Please don't rip anyone off.)

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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    lol
    it is already broken

    he wont get a free light if he sends it in, Henry will not fix a Basic, he will give an 80 dollar credit, and the owner of the Broken Basic Historical Relic, will have to pony up an additional $200 of his own money, to get a new model.

    if it was me, I would send the light to one of the members willing to help fix it. And I would get the LED changed to N219b. As Ven has shared, that will automatically make the light 3 times brighter..

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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by jon_slider View Post
    lol
    it is already broken

    he wont get a free light if he sends it in, Henry will not fix a Basic, he will give an 80 dollar credit, and the owner of the Broken Basic Historical Relic, will have to pony up an additional $200 of his own money, to get a new model.
    Huh, I thought one of the things people raved about HDS was its warranty. Oh well.

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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    you want HDS to warranty a light that was sold to another company in 2006?
    well, ok, Henry actually will, even though it is not his responsibility, read post 22

    and, I may be mistaken, it is possible that Henry will fix the light, or replace it for free, with a detuned more recent model, not sure.. Maybe RM219 will share his outcome

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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Ya Henry is going way beyond with taking care of his older lights. When novatac purchased all hds tools and equipment he was free and clear to walk away from all that. But he soon realized that novatac was not honoring the warranty and we're not fixing his lights. So he stepped up and took over and helped many out. As I said way over and beyond
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    Default Re: I have an HDS EDC Basic 60. What do I do with it?

    Can we get this thread moved to HDS section?
    If i had one day left to live i would want to be at my workplace.Because every day is like a frickin eternity.

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