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    I bought what I thought was a simple headlamp option for my mother HL-23 fenix. Found the house blacked out when I visited tonight due to storms. She was sitting happily in the lounge room, reading a book, with the HL23 on high setting aka 150 lumens! Damn near blinded me when she looked up as I came in the room. I had told her a couple of times there are lower settings, she said this time she forgot and just turned it on and used it( goes to high right away). Also had to remind her to unscrew the cap to prevent parasitic drain. This is a basic go-to light option by flashaholic standards... but it clear its not family, or at least aged member friendly. So now I am hunting for lower lumen, single mode high IPX rated, non draining headlamp....how far back am I going for this one 2011, 2012, 2013?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickb View Post
    I bought what I thought was a simple headlamp option for my mother HL-23 fenix. Found the house blacked out when I visited tonight due to storms. She was sitting happily in the lounge room, reading a book, with the HL23 on high setting aka 150 lumens! Damn near blinded me when she looked up as I came in the room. I had told her a couple of times there are lower settings, she said this time she forgot and just turned it on and used it( goes to high right away). Also had to remind her to unscrew the cap to prevent parasitic drain. This is a basic go-to light option by flashaholic standards... but it clear its not family, or at least aged member friendly. So now I am hunting for lower lumen, single mode high IPX rated, non draining headlamp....how far back am I going for this one 2011, 2012, 2013?
    get her an H1R neutral white. Great tint and memory means it can come on in the 2 lumen mode and itís perfect for reading. It will run forever on 2 lumens per charge. No need to loosen the tail cap, the battery donít discharge itself much at all. Just slap it on the magnetic charger a couple times a year to top it off for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martinaee View Post
    Which lights do you personally find to be "trustable?" Something simple like an E01?
    No hard criteria really, more a combination of reading other peoples experience, experiencing few or no issues over time myself, despite accidental abuse, combined with a highly unscientific gut feeling. I donít at all need them to be simple from an electrical perspective, more circuits can hurt, but also help. Temperature protection for example, is both adding complexity and reliability. Could compromise reliability as well, so it serves as a useful example of why it boils down to gut feeling at some point.

    I really liked the EagleTac D25LC2 clickie initially, and itís performed flawlessly and reliably for both my kid and me, but I eventually failed it as a primary because the twist for mode-group selection turned out to be an obstacle to effortlessly getting it to do what I wanted.

    After getting used to Zebralights, I think Iíd fail any light without a low low.

    I guess what Iím getting at is that itís not just about reliability in terms of ďnot dieĒ, but in an expanded sense of the words, including ďreliably do what I need it toĒ.

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    my perfect light would be a single 18650 with nichia 219 5000k high cri with a simple 2 button control.
    up down only.
    starting at a barely detectable glow with a smooth step free ramp up to full output.
    no blinkies or hidden ok.
    and no nasty pwm.
    remember there is no such thing as a too bright flashlight.
    just a poor ui.
    make it start from either end of the ramp depending on which button you push and easy to feel the buttons for dark startup by feel so you dont get blasted while dark adapted.

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    I class these lights as future proof, most have been around for a decade or so anyway. The hosts imo are timeless, the engines(p60's) can be upgraded or ran on incand.............choices are almost endless. Single mode, 2 mode..............any amount of modes! 1 LED, 4 LED's................different flavours of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archimedes View Post
    I have an Arc AAA (Yuji mod) incoming tomorrow
    I hope you're enjoying it. In addition to...you know...using them for lighting purposes, I still can't resist just playing with my Yuji-modded lights from time-to-time for how clean and cozy the beam is. And the 1 x AAA format is perfect for it.

    Regrettably, the Sunwayman R01a I swapped a Yuji is not working after taking a two falls from a ~5' onto a hard floor (I got over confident after it survived the first fall). It's clearly no E01 replacement. I need to open it up again to see if I can figure it out.

    Quote Originally Posted by LeanBurn View Post
    Of all my lights, my 95+CRI Yuji modded Maglite 2AAA single mode twisty gets the most use....and it is less than 10L...cost to me was less than $8.
    You inspired me to the do the same with a Maglite 2AA. I know it will dim quite a bit as the batteries drain, but it's such a light load it will run a long time before that happens. I didn't think this mod would work as well as it does.

    I wasn't feeling great last night. I wanted to relax and go to bed early. I know some people like to take a bath by candlelight when they feel like that.

    I instead took a shower by Yuji light, with the Maglite standing in the corner.

    If there's ever another Yuji 5mm group buy, I think I will need to future proof against the possibility of them going out of production.

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    Ahh yes. Flashlight showers. One of my favorite past times. Having had an arc Yuji mod and an E01s with the Vihn warm Nichia I can say theyíre very similar but the Yuji was a cleaner beam for sure. The e01 tailstands which makes it a perfect flashlight shower companion. If E01s were ever discontinued Iíd buy a load of emí.
    Quote Originally Posted by iamlucky13 View Post
    I hope you're enjoying it. In addition to...you know...using them for lighting purposes, I still can't resist just playing with my Yuji-modded lights from time-to-time for how clean and cozy the beam is. And the 1 x AAA format is perfect for it.

    Regrettably, the Sunwayman R01a I swapped a Yuji is not working after taking a two falls from a ~5' onto a hard floor (I got over confident after it survived the first fall). It's clearly no E01 replacement. I need to open it up again to see if I can figure it out.



    You inspired me to the do the same with a Maglite 2AA. I know it will dim quite a bit as the batteries drain, but it's such a light load it will run a long time before that happens. I didn't think this mod would work as well as it does.

    I wasn't feeling great last night. I wanted to relax and go to bed early. I know some people like to take a bath by candlelight when they feel like that.

    I instead took a shower by Yuji light, with the Maglite standing in the corner.

    If there's ever another Yuji 5mm group buy, I think I will need to future proof against the possibility of them going out of production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archimedes View Post
    I have an Arc AAA (Yuji mod) incoming tomorrow
    Quote Originally Posted by iamlucky13 View Post
    I hope you're enjoying it....
    Yes, the tint and CRI is fantastic, in the sense that I am a fan of it, and wonderful, in the sense that I wonder how they did it ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamlucky13 View Post
    If there's ever another Yuji 5mm group buy, I think I will need to future proof against the possibility of them going out of production.
    I have the nasty feeling they may already be on the way out. If you look at the Yuji web store, you can't get 5600K in either emission angle. 3200K are available in both emission angles (45į and 60į), but you now have to buy a much larger pack of 1000, so it looks like they're trying to offload them.

    That sometimes means a company is discontinuing a line, especially in the absence of any indication that a new and improved version might be on the way. I really hope I'm wrong, though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ven View Post
    I class these lights as future proof, most have been around for a decade or so anyway. The hosts imo are timeless, the engines(p60's) can be upgraded or ran on incand.............choices are almost endless. Single mode, 2 mode..............any amount of modes! 1 LED, 4 LED's................different flavours of.
    +1 on the incand compatibility. just what I did, refer to my post #35 on the previous page... but i concur yours are the exotic ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phlogiston View Post
    I have the nasty feeling they may already be on the way out. If you look at the Yuji web store, you can't get 5600K in either emission angle. 3200K are available in both emission angles (45į and 60į), but you now have to buy a much larger pack of 1000, so it looks like they're trying to offload them.

    That sometimes means a company is discontinuing a line, especially in the absence of any indication that a new and improved version might be on the way. I really hope I'm wrong, though!
    I'm thinking seriously about ordering 1000 of the 3200k 45 degree Yuji when 130$ + shipping is feasible, it'll be broadcast for group buy ins when/If I do.

    If I learn that I can get a more modern high CRI warm led that's as efficient or more efficient at single and double mA levels then I'll go with a few of them instead.
    My understanding at current level of ignorance though is that newer, better leds aren't any better at these very low power levels.
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    The brighter the light, the darker the shadow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris74 View Post
    get her an H1R neutral white. Great tint and memory means it can come on in the 2 lumen mode and itís perfect for reading. It will run forever on 2 lumens per charge. No need to loosen the tail cap, the battery donít discharge itself much at all. Just slap it on the magnetic charger a couple times a year to top it off for her.
    Honestly thanks, but I am trying to go simpler than a HL-23 for an aged user and youve recommended a 600 Lumen headlamp with 7 levels and functions .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ven View Post
    I class these lights as future proof, most have been around for a decade or so anyway. The hosts imo are timeless, the engines(p60's) can be upgraded or ran on incand.............choices are almost endless. Single mode, 2 mode..............any amount of modes! 1 LED, 4 LED's................different flavours of.

    Love the collection!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickb View Post
    Honestly thanks, but I am trying to go simpler than a HL-23 for an aged user and youve recommended a 600 Lumen headlamp with 7 levels and functions .
    The hl-23 comes on in high mode and has no memory. The H1R has memory for moon light. It donít get much easier than that. No need to even remove the battery to recharge or change it. Even easier.

    I bet she drives a 1998 crown Vic with power locks, windows, mirrors, seats and so on. If anyone canít figure out long press to 2 lumens and has an issue with the memorized 2 lumens, they will need to have someone there to operate it for them

    Youíre too busy thinking outside the box to realize whatís in the box, olight has the easiest to use UI. The tint and beam are amazing on the H1R neutral white.

    I also use a Bushnell H65L that uses a single aaa battery. It wonít get any more simple than that. I would also recommend it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickb View Post
    Love the collection!

    Thank you mick, i have a few more dotted around(work and some just not in pic) but still a small collection compared to many here. The thing i love about the surefire hosts , solid, USA made and timeless imo. Being p60, they can be upgraded by simply swapping the p60! You can have 60lm incand, 3000lm quads or xhp70................and anything in between, throw bias, flood or a mix of both. The hosts will last forever...........most of the p60's will to! But if it does fail, its not a full light potentially lost...........just the engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris74 View Post
    The hl-23 comes on in high mode and has no memory. The H1R has memory for moon light. It don’t get much easier than that. No need to even remove the battery to recharge or change it. Even easier.

    I bet she drives a 1998 crown Vic with power locks, windows, mirrors, seats and so on. If anyone can’t figure out long press to 2 lumens and has an issue with the memorized 2 lumens, they will need to have someone there to operate it for them

    You’re too busy thinking outside the box to realize what’s in the box, olight has the easiest to use UI. The tint and beam are amazing on the H1R neutral white.

    I also use a Bushnell H65L that uses a single aaa battery. It won’t get any more simple than that. I would also recommend it.
    The issue with the H1R is too many power levels , with the top ones depleting the batts quickly. She ramps too high for other tasks and leaves it there, she's in the dark an hour or so into the blackout. She may even try and use 2 lumens for everything because she will be clicking the light on and off when I assume its hold down to advance modes. Also its a new battery size I'd have to get her to store, and USB charging as an option? No offence as you obviously like the light for yourself but its about as complex and uneccessary a light I can think of for her situation. As you say she's been driving for 50 years, but old country folk sometimes have no interest in new tech. I am aiming for 1-2 modes, low lumen max, if she chooses wrong, she has hours of lighting....and won't start lighting candles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickb View Post
    The issue with the H1R is too many power levels , with the top ones depleting the batts quickly. She ramps too high for other tasks and leaves it there, she's in the dark an hour or so into the blackout. She may even try and use 2 lumens for everything because she will be clicking the light on and off when I assume its hold down to advance modes. Also its a new battery size I'd have to get her to store, and USB charging as an option? No offence as you obviously like the light for yourself but its about as complex and uneccessary a light I can think of for her situation. As you say she's been driving for 50 years, but old country folk sometimes have no interest in new tech. I am aiming for 1-2 modes, low lumen max, if she chooses wrong, she has hours of lighting....and won't start lighting candles.
    Iím curious how the new Zebralights UI would be for such users. All the modes are programmable, so it would be easier to set up with a selection of good tradeoffs, ranging from low to lower basically. Click on to get a decent runtime/lumen balance, hold on to go directly to another lower mode, but both offering long runtimes.

    Note; Iím asking, not suggesting.

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    Mick,

    I'll try to mention something seasoned folks can easily figure out and keep this train on the same track....

    Maglite products. Easy to find, easy to use and still built to last a good long time. Many-a Mag has been destroyed by leaking batteries. But Rayovac batteries are really good at not leaking. I have various sizes in all kinds of lights stored indoors, in cars, in my home and office with ZERO leaks in 3 years. None.

    Maglite products are not quite as popular as they once were but still some of the easiest lights to figure out. Past, present and future Maglite products have 2 things in mind.. simplicity and reliability.

    We flashlight fanatics knock 'em around a whole lot but to the casual user they are tough to beat. You can get her an incan 2D for $20, swap out the bulb with a nite ize LED for about $7 and an 8 pack of Ravovacs for about $7 will get her through several nights without power.

    Now those little Energizer headlamps are also quite the value. I work construction and see them all over the place night after night month after month. Again some Rayovac triple A cells can be left in the light without worry. The workers get 2-3 nights of use per cell swap. That is 10-12 hour shifts. They dim as the battery depletes so when it's too dim you just swap out the batteries.
    Keep it simple bro.
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    With age comes degraded vision. Just because YOU want to use the lowest setting possible doesn't mean SHE can use that same setting comfortably. If she likes the light(s) she has now, then let her use the lumen level that gives her the amount of light she needs. If you're worried she's going to start lighting candles when the batteries run out, then buy her more batteries. Problem solved and all without forcing her to use whatever lumen level or UI you have determined is best for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickb View Post
    The issue with the H1R is too many power levels , with the top ones depleting the batts quickly. She ramps too high for other tasks and leaves it there, she's in the dark an hour or so into the blackout. She may even try and use 2 lumens for everything because she will be clicking the light on and off when I assume its hold down to advance modes. Also its a new battery size I'd have to get her to store, and USB charging as an option? No offence as you obviously like the light for yourself but its about as complex and uneccessary a light I can think of for her situation. As you say she's been driving for 50 years, but old country folk sometimes have no interest in new tech. I am aiming for 1-2 modes, low lumen max, if she chooses wrong, she has hours of lighting....and won't start lighting candles.
    I also have a Bushnell pro rechargeable lantern. It will light a full room brightly if needed. I mostly use it on one side dimmed down. When we go on camping trips it will go four days of constant hours on end use before I hook it up to a solar panel to charge. It also stores a long time fully charged and ready to use. It would be a much better option than any flashlight or headlamp. I can also charge my phone with it because it has an outgoing USB. I will from time to time charge the S1R or H1R with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eh4 View Post
    We would need to figure out how to make use of them first, in case they don't work on an XP solder pad.

    I also have been eying the much larger 135L series 1000 lumen COB's. I've almost got the necessary components to build a viable light out of them figured out.

    If you want to discuss Yuji's more, maybe we should do that in one of the existing Yuji group buy threads, rather than interrupt the future proofing discussion further.

    Regardless, if you do take the leap with the 5mm's, I should be in for a handful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elzilcho View Post
    With age comes degraded vision. Just because YOU want to use the lowest setting possible doesn't mean SHE can use that same setting comfortably. If she likes the light(s) she has now, then let her use the lumen level that gives her the amount of light she needs. If you're worried she's going to start lighting candles when the batteries run out, then buy her more batteries. Problem solved and all without forcing her to use whatever lumen level or UI you have determined is best for her.
    Your making assumptions about her vision, which is better than mine. And as to lumens levels she is not much interested in any of them, or keeping batteries being the problem, which is why I am making it as simple as possible. Not sure if you have any old folk living alone, but simplfying options is part of a list of things to make their lives easier.How about we get the thread back on track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    Mick,

    I'll try to mention something seasoned folks can easily figure out and keep this train on the same track....

    Maglite products. Easy to find, easy to use and still built to last a good long time. Many-a Mag has been destroyed by leaking batteries. But Rayovac batteries are really good at not leaking. I have various sizes in all kinds of lights stored indoors, in cars, in my home and office with ZERO leaks in 3 years. None.

    Maglite products are not quite as popular as they once were but still some of the easiest lights to figure out. Past, present and future Maglite products have 2 things in mind.. simplicity and reliability.

    We flashlight fanatics knock 'em around a whole lot but to the casual user they are tough to beat. You can get her an incan 2D for $20, swap out the bulb with a nite ize LED for about $7 and an 8 pack of Ravovacs for about $7 will get her through several nights without power.

    Now those little Energizer headlamps are also quite the value. I work construction and see them all over the place night after night month after month. Again some Rayovac triple A cells can be left in the light without worry. The workers get 2-3 nights of use per cell swap. That is 10-12 hour shifts. They dim as the battery depletes so when it's too dim you just swap out the batteries.
    Keep it simple bro.
    Thanks bykfixer, excellent suggestions. I had one of the little headlamps myself ages ago. And maglites, they are probably still using a switch with 1-2 levels, right? I will check them out. Also thanks for the rescue , I was starting to regret bringing it up now, but I hijacked my own thread, so no one else to blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris74 View Post
    It would be a much better option than any flashlight or headlamp. I can also charge my phone with it because it has an outgoing USB. I will from time to time charge the S1R or H1R with it.
    yes aware of the benefits of lanterns. She already has one. Headlamp is for backup, its better to EDC, take walking the boundary, around the house, the dog kennels, to the bathroom, to the car, aka what we use headlamps for, but lets not get into a headlamp vs handheld debate next, there's another forum to do that

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickb View Post
    Thanks bykfixer, excellent suggestions. I had one of the little headlamps myself ages ago. And maglites, they are probably still using a switch with 1-2 levels, right? I will check them out. Also thanks for the rescue , I was starting to regret bringing it up now, but I hijacked my own thread, so no one else to blame.
    An incan 2D is future proof... see, still on track...
    They come with a bi-pin bulb module that's easy to replace and readily available but... that was the past with its pleasant beam tint yet sucky runtimes... but with a nite ize drop in she'll get more output with way more runtime. They have 2 settings.. on and off. lol.

    Now they also have those newfangled LED models with settings. Quick clicks get you high, medium and low. T'won't take her no time to get the hang of it. The ML50 comes in 2C or 3C. Both will easily light what you mentioned earlier on high. Medium in both is about 100 lumens with like a dozen hours of runtime. Low (or what Mag calls "eco" is about 20 lumens and stated to last like 15 days.
    And for the geek in you, there is the ability to change settings around some. But for her factory is ideal. Changing settings has to be done on purpose. It's like you have to push this, twist that and hold your left leg just right or something... so she won't be able to accidently change things around.

    About $35 at big box stores. (Plus Rayovacs) If she don't mind a mini mag size, the price of ultimate lithiums is dropping to half price or less. 10 year storage life... which is future proofing for the next decade anyway.

    I just future proofed my favorite Laser Products 6P with a Malkoff NLL drop in to go with the Malkoff McClicky tail stander tail cap. Like a P60 with a nice bright fresh battery beam for at least 10 hours...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeanBurn View Post
    To clarify...that $8 includes the minimag 2AAA and the Yuji LED.

    PM sent 1pt21.
    I'm also interested in the mod.

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    Yes. Which is why I still EDC a Fenix LD10 R5. 3 lumens low, 12 lumens med, 45 lumens high, 100 lumens turbo.
    Fully tightened, starts at turbo. Slightly loosened, starts on low. Predictable every time I turn it on.
    It's my favorite UI which started out with my Fenix P2D-CE and before they started doing side switches.

    Added a 100 lumen stainless Nichia219 light to my EDC. UI is just L-M-H.

    Light in my hand carry for airline travel is a Fenix E12.

    Will be picking up some Malkoff P60 drop ins for my G2 and some hosts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feahnor View Post
    I'm also interested in the mod.
    Same here please. Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feahnor View Post
    I'm also interested in the mod.
    Quote Originally Posted by BloodLust View Post
    Same here please. Thank you!
    It's basically this:

    - SLOWLY open up the OEM reflector enough to allow the LED to pass through
    - Trim the legs on the LED to approx the same length as the OEM bi-pin bulb
    - Slightly bend the legs of the LED to match the OEM bulb pin spacing
    - If LED does not light, rotate 180* and re-insert

    Easy as pie. Now the hard part: actually acquiring said LED's, good luck as I searched high and low. Also mentioned in this thread that they now may be unobtainium

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