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    Hi guys, I need some help from you.
    I have a convoy C8 with XM-L2 T6 led. Since I need a similar flashlight with much more throw I'm considering to buy the "new" C8 (claiming a new firmware and fasting cooling) with XPL HI CREE LED.

    I read that lumens are lower compared to XM-L2 T6 but the domeless led should guarantee much more throw.
    The seller on AliExpress, Simon, seems to be very professional and suggested to me the V2 1A version (6500-7000k).

    I also read that domeless LEDs like XPL HI are so powerful in throw that could be a smart idea choosing warm tint. I'll quote here what I read:

    "In addition to what others have mentioned about the XP-L HI trading total output for focus, thereby increasing throw, I think it's important to point out that cool white scatters more in any haze, dust or fog that might be in the air. With a light that reaches out to 500m FL1 throw or more, you'll find some even when you thought there was none. The result is that a warm white tint lets you see solid objects better at a distance regardless of actual output."


    What do you think about? Anyone have these flashlights and can help me with my choice? Any suggestions highly appreciated as always

    Tks a lot guys
    M

    Ps: I can link here the article if permitted.

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    I have the "clear" Convoy C8 and a ~5000K XP-L Hi. It is pretty great for our purposes. Heat management is no problem. The tint is so much more pleasant than the cold, dingy stuff, but you did not really describe your application. We like to see wildlife.

    Because of our terrain, I like to have more throw for most of our nocturnal outings, and therefore use an Eagtac M30 LC2 with the ~4500K (or less?) XP-L Hi. The 2 1/2 inch reflector takes you to a whole new level that you may not want or need, with a corresponding smaller hotspot. The size of the XP-L Hi hotspot in the C8 is a more general purpose throw. I am not really sure how much more throw you will get compared to your XM-L2, but it will be noticeable. All this depends on your application. Don't let a higher cost be too much an obstacle. Flashlights are generally long lived. If you use them regularly, you'll get your money's worth in due time.

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    Hi man, tks for your reply!
    I'm a professional security guard and I do patrols in the middle of the night. Right now I'm quite satisfied of my C8, I just want more throw in a flashlight with the same dimensions of my actual C8. I don't want anything bigger or equipped with more than one 18650 battery. I'm quite on a budget so I can't spend much more (this is why I don't want flashlights hosting more than 1 battery, I don't wanna buy any new cell right now).

    Do you think that the tint cloud make a serious difference? My actual C8 is totally cold and I really like the feel. Swapping to a warmer tint, to me, could be an option only if there are real benefits in seeing solid objects in the long distance, due to dust or fog in the air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalSir View Post
    Hi guys, I need some help from you.
    I have a convoy C8 with XM-L2 T6 led. Since I need a similar flashlight with much more throw I'm considering to buy the "new" C8 (claiming a new firmware and fasting cooling) with XPL HI CREE LED.

    I read that lumens are lower compared to XM-L2 T6 but the domeless led should guarantee much more throw.
    The seller on AliExpress, Simon, seems to be very professional and suggested to me the V2 1A version (6500-7000k).

    I also read that domeless LEDs like XPL HI are so powerful in throw that could be a smart idea choosing warm tint. I'll quote here what I read:

    "In addition to what others have mentioned about the XP-L HI trading total output for focus, thereby increasing throw, I think it's important to point out that cool white scatters more in any haze, dust or fog that might be in the air. With a light that reaches out to 500m FL1 throw or more, you'll find some even when you thought there was none. The result is that a warm white tint lets you see solid objects better at a distance regardless of actual output."


    What do you think about? Anyone have these flashlights and can help me with my choice? Any suggestions highly appreciated as always

    Tks a lot guys
    M

    Ps: I can link here the article if permitted.
    Check out mtnelectronics they have a list of C8s that you can choose the driver and the LED.

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    banggood now sells the astrolux c8 with a fet driver + xp-l hi led. 102000 lux. Just google "Astrolux C8 XP-L HI 1300Lumens 7/4modes A6 Driver Tactical EDC LED Flashlight 18650"
    If you buy one, make sure you have high drain 18650 battery. The fet driver will push the led and the battery really hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jorn View Post
    banggood now sells the astrolux c8 with a fet driver + xp-l hi led. 102000 lux. Just google "Astrolux C8 XP-L HI 1300Lumens 7/4modes A6 Driver Tactical EDC LED Flashlight 18650"
    If you buy one, make sure you have high drain 18650 battery. The fet driver will push the led and the battery really hard.
    The Astrolux seems cool but I can't find any test on YouTube and any evidence or comparison with any other flashlight (including convoy C8). So I'm not confident in buying this product. If you have some comparison with other flashlights please link them here

    Any suggestions on cold Vs warm light for better visibility at long distance? Tks guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalSir View Post
    The Astrolux seems cool but I can't find any test on YouTube and any evidence or comparison with any other flashlight (including convoy C8). So I'm not confident in buying this product. If you have some comparison with other flashlights please link them here

    Any suggestions on cold Vs warm light for better visibility at long distance? Tks guys
    The astrolux c8 is the same light as a convoy c8. But the difference is this version of the astrolux has a mutch more powerful fet driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalSir View Post
    Hi man, tks for your reply!
    I'm a professional security guard and I do patrols in the middle of the night. Right now I'm quite satisfied of my C8, I just want more throw in a flashlight with the same dimensions of my actual C8. I don't want anything bigger or equipped with more than one 18650 battery. I'm quite on a budget so I can't spend much more (this is why I don't want flashlights hosting more than 1 battery, I don't wanna buy any new cell right now).

    Do you think that the tint cloud make a serious difference? My actual C8 is totally cold and I really like the feel. Swapping to a warmer tint, to me, could be an option only if there are real benefits in seeing solid objects in the long distance, due to dust or fog in the air.
    Excellent and Thank You. I did security in the 1980's and know it does not always get recognized for its importance.

    I would say it does not make a serious difference for your work. If you like the feel of it, that is what's important. CPF members like to go on about their own preferences, and may site valid evidence but the difference is sometimes not really visible in the real world. You may come to prefer a more sun-like tint in the future. Or you may end up preferring something even warmer, but just go with what you like now. It is good to have a backup flashlight anyways. Hopefully you already have, or will get another 18650 battery. The C8 form factor really is great. Good luck!

    Some would say the cool tint may do a better job of keeping you awake.

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    Emisar D1S is also a good option, with twice the candela of the excellent Clear/Silver Convoy C8. No strobe though. I hope to post a review by next weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KITROBASKIN View Post
    Excellent and Thank You. I did security in the 1980's and know it does not always get recognized for its importance.

    I would say it does not make a serious difference for your work. If you like the feel of it, that is what's important. CPF members like to go on about their own preferences, and may site valid evidence but the difference is sometimes not really visible in the real world. You may come to prefer a more sun-like tint in the future. Or you may end up preferring something even warmer, but just go with what you like now. It is good to have a backup flashlight anyways. Hopefully you already have, or will get another 18650 battery. The C8 form factor really is great. Good luck!

    Some would say the cool tint may do a better job of keeping you awake.
    Tks man. The Astrolux seems fantastic on the paper but don't having anything to compare I'm not confident in buying it. Eventually i found the Astrolux driver on AliExpress for less than €3. Maybe in future I could change it if needed.
    By the way the imanent DT70 with xhp70 will always be in my dreams 😍

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    Hi guys! I ordered the new convoy c8 (v2 1a with new firmware) with XPL HI from Simon on AliExpress. To be honest I have read a lot on this device and I really like it.
    I will eventually upgrade to FET driver in the future but I'm willing to buy components right now, just in case.

    Anyone can help me with choosing the right driver on AliExpress? I don't even know what I need except for the driver.. any help will be very appreciated.

    Ps: moving to FET driver I'll need to use a different battery? I'm using an EagTac 3400mAh, 12.6Wh (the green one).

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    I would suggest Samsung 30Q for the battery or a Sony VTC6. They have less mAh but can deliver more amp than the EagTac. A light that has a FET driver should be driven with an high drain battery (more amps). Just be sure that you have an over-discharge protection on your driver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by derfyled View Post
    I would suggest Samsung 30Q for the battery or a Sony VTC6. They have less mAh but can deliver more amp than the EagTac. A light that has a FET driver should be driven with an high drain battery (more amps). Just be sure that you have an over-discharge protection on your driver.
    Tks a lot, I'm making a list of things to buy. So with FET I'll need a more powerful, hi drain, battery for having more light and longer throw?

    Then, can you help me with the other components I'll need? Even some suggestions on a very good FET driver will be very appreciated. I'm truly n00b, I'm just buying the components, my brother will do the soldering stuffs. xD

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    The C8 has already a quite good 7135 driver. A FET driver might give you an higher start but will drop quickly in output compared to a 7155 driver. If you need a light that will keep a more constant output, go for a 8 x 7135. If you need to have a little bit less power but want a light that will run for a long time on a lower level, go for a 6 x 7135. If you don't care about runtime and just need some quick burst at maximum power, go for a FET. Please note that a FET driver might shorten the led's life (if always used on the highest level for a long time) and that the light will become very very hot if you hold it on the highest level for more than a minute or 2.

    About suggesting a good FET driver, sorry, I can't help. I'm more a 7135 type... To be honest, the difference between a FET and a 8 x 7135 driver is not very noticeable, you won't see a big difference between 1000 and 1200 lumens... Don't think that there is a 20% difference, your eyes don't see it that way. Here's a a good explanation taken from Henry at HDS:

    What is the logarithmic nature of my eyes? Your eyes respond to light in a logarithmic way. That means they require a significant percentage change in light output for your eyes to notice a small but visible change in brightness. A 50% (1.5x) increase or 33% (0.67x) decrease will produce a small but visible change in brightness. An increase or decrease of half that - 25% (1.25x) and 20% (0.80x) respectively - will probably not be noticed.


    You are probably already familiar with logarithmic scales in other areas of your life. For instance, earthquakes are measured using the logarithmic Richter scale. Sound is measured in logarithmic decibels. If you are a photographer, you are familier with the logarithmic f-stops and the logarithmic progression of shutter speeds. Even the musical notes in an equal temperament scale are logarithmically spaced. Logarithmic scales make it much easier to represent very large variations from tiny to huge because the scale represents a progression of ratios instead of a progression of linear units. The perception of most physical phenomena by our bodies - sight, sound and touch - are essentially logarithmic. It is difficult for us to perceive small percentage changes.


    Many people are surprised to find out that going from 0.17 to 0.25 lumens looks the same as going from 167 to 250 lumens. From your eye's perspective, the step size is the same in both cases - a small but visible change. Notice that in the first case we only increased by 0.08 lumenswhile in the second case we increased by 83 lumens - a difference of 3 orders of magnitude.


    You might be surprised to find out that you need a 10x increase in light to produce what most people consider to be a doubling in the amount of light. Again, this is due to the logarithmic nature of your eyes


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    Good information from derfyled.

    MetalSir,
    Go with the good stuff you've got for now. Let us know how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derfyled View Post
    The C8 has already a quite good 7135 driver. A FET driver might give you an higher start but will drop quickly in output compared to a 7155 driver. If you need a light that will keep a more constant output, go for a 8 x 7135. If you need to have a little bit less power but want a light that will run for a long time on a lower level, go for a 6 x 7135. If you don't care about runtime and just need some quick burst at maximum power, go for a FET. Please note that a FET driver might shorten the led's life (if always used on the highest level for a long time) and that the light will become very very hot if you hold it on the highest level for more than a minute or 2.

    About suggesting a good FET driver, sorry, I can't help. I'm more a 7135 type... To be honest, the difference between a FET and a 8 x 7135 driver is not very noticeable, you won't see a big difference between 1000 and 1200 lumens... Don't think that there is a 20% difference, your eyes don't see it that way. Here's a a good explanation taken from Henry at HDS:

    What is the logarithmic nature of my eyes? Your eyes respond to light in a logarithmic way. That means they require a significant percentage change in light output for your eyes to notice a small but visible change in brightness. A 50% (1.5x) increase or 33% (0.67x) decrease will produce a small but visible change in brightness. An increase or decrease of half that - 25% (1.25x) and 20% (0.80x) respectively - will probably not be noticed.


    You are probably already familiar with logarithmic scales in other areas of your life. For instance, earthquakes are measured using the logarithmic Richter scale. Sound is measured in logarithmic decibels. If you are a photographer, you are familier with the logarithmic f-stops and the logarithmic progression of shutter speeds. Even the musical notes in an equal temperament scale are logarithmically spaced. Logarithmic scales make it much easier to represent very large variations from tiny to huge because the scale represents a progression of ratios instead of a progression of linear units. The perception of most physical phenomena by our bodies - sight, sound and touch - are essentially logarithmic. It is difficult for us to perceive small percentage changes.


    Many people are surprised to find out that going from 0.17 to 0.25 lumens looks the same as going from 167 to 250 lumens. From your eye's perspective, the step size is the same in both cases - a small but visible change. Notice that in the first case we only increased by 0.08 lumenswhile in the second case we increased by 83 lumens - a difference of 3 orders of magnitude.


    You might be surprised to find out that you need a 10x increase in light to produce what most people consider to be a doubling in the amount of light. Again, this is due to the logarithmic nature of your eyes


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    This is one of the most useful and interesting post I've ever read on this argument. Tks a lot man this was very explicative. Massive.

    I know logarithmic responses since I much studied them in audio field (I took a degree as audio engineer) but I didn't know that our eyes responded to the same principle. I really learned something today.

    Maybe I don't need a FET driver because of my patrols are about 15mins long and I'll need to run all the light possible for long time without burning my hands or my led.
    My flashlight (should) have an 8x7135 driver so I think that will work amazing. I'm really happy about my purchase. I'd receive the flashlight in 30days (I hope).

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    You're welcome sir !

    I'm confident that you will love your C8. One of the best deal on thrower in my opinion. Convoy is possibly one of the best price/quality brand you can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by derfyled View Post
    You're welcome sir !

    I'm confident that you will love your C8. One of the best deal on thrower in my opinion. Convoy is possibly one of the best price/quality brand you can get.
    Tks again. I'll let you know my impressions once I'll get the flashlight! 😎

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    Hi guys! I just received the flashlight! Everything works fine. Can't wait to do my next nighty patrol.

    The model is the grey one. The led is completely flat (should be the one I paid for). Anyone can help me to understand if the driver is the new one? The one with the new firmware. Just to be sure before confirming the purchase on AliExpress.

    The driver is red with "convoy v.2" written on:

    Ps: I verified that this firmware has 12 groups of modes. Dunno if the old firmware was the same
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    Quote Originally Posted by derfyled View Post
    The C8 has already a quite good 7135 driver. A FET driver might give you an higher start but will drop quickly in output compared to a 7155 driver. If you need a light that will keep a more constant output, go for a 8 x 7135.

    That's not what I find. Here's my full review of the Astrolux C8 (FET) compared to the Convoy C8 (8x7135).


    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...ompact-Thrower



    Basically, the Astrolux does lose output as the battery drains (as expected), but so does the Convoy. The Astrolux is 60% brighter at the start, and always maintains more output than the Convoy. The downside is that it does drain the battery faster, of course.


    Both are great lights, and have great user interfaces (as long as you get the Convoy with the biscotti firmware). But for more throw, the Astrolux wins easily.

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    MetalSir,
    I tried to pull up the graphic for the new firmware but banggood now forces iPads to use the mobile site, so no go. If you have access to a laptop or tabletop try looking at the C8 with the new firmware on their website. There is a clear description of what the firmware offers.

    Seems like poor form to declare some other flashlight is better (especially coming from a person who got the flashlight for free to do a review, and may be trying to get more free flashlights) after the purchase has already been made, when it comes to a thread like this.

    The throw on your new light may be just the ticket for your needs and terrain. As you wrote, you do have the option to make upgrades. Another upgrade to improve output would be using a switch that will pass more current. And battery choice will affect throw, but all these are increments in improvement and really aren't that dramatic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KITROBASKIN View Post
    MetalSir,
    I tried to pull up the graphic for the new firmware but banggood now forces iPads to use the mobile site, so no go. If you have access to a laptop or tabletop try looking at the C8 with the new firmware on their website. There is a clear description of what the firmware offers.
    Easier method: if it's silver, it's got the new firmware. Otherwise, it's the old firmware (IMO, a poor UI).

    Seems like poor form to declare some other flashlight is better (especially coming from a person who got the flashlight for free to do a review, and may be trying to get more free flashlights) after the purchase has already been made, when it comes to a thread like this.
    I'm not really aiming my post at the OP, more on potentially helping others reading the thread and trying to decide which light to get. If throw/output is the main concern, the Astrolux C8 is better. If you want something that won't get hot or stress the LED, the Convoy C8 is better. The user interface is about the same on both. Convoy definitely wins on tint choice.

    And, I'm not going to shill for a $20 light. Whether someone buys the light or not, it makes no difference to me. Nor is there anyway for banggood to track whether or not someone bought the light because I recommended it. The implication I'd sell out for so little, is rather insulting. But if someone wants to pay me $2000 cash, sure I'll sell out then!

    The throw on your new light may be just the ticket for your needs and terrain. As you wrote, you do have the option to make upgrades. Another upgrade to improve output would be using a switch that will pass more current. And battery choice will affect throw, but all these are increments in improvement and really aren't that dramatic.
    I don't see why someone would buy the Convoy, just to mod it into the Astrolux. Why bother? If you want the Convoy, just buy it and use it in stock. I used two silver Convoy C8's all summer, and they were perfectly fine without mods.

    BTW, I don't see how a better switch would improve the Convoy. It's limited to 2.8A by the 8 7135 chips it uses. A switch or spring bypass might help the Astrolux, since it uses a FET driver to pass much more current, but it would only give about another 200 lumens.

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    I choosed the convoy because I was on a budget (first) and as professional security guard I use the flashlight at max power for all the patrol, twice per night. This means that I need something that doesn't drain too fast and doesn't get hot with long periods of using (about 20min straight at full power).
    This is why I choosed che c8.

    Btw I highly appreciate any consideration, I'm here to learn.

    So anyone can identify the driver above?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalSir View Post
    I choosed the convoy because I was on a budget (first) and as professional security guard I use the flashlight at max power for all the patrol, twice per night. This means that I need something that doesn't drain too fast and doesn't get hot with long periods of using (about 20min straight at full power).
    This is why I choosed che c8.
    That's very reasonable. I'll point out (not to try and sell any light... I don't care) that the Astrolux will step-down to the same brightness as the Convoy (or you can start it that way), and it will run without getting hot. However, because it partially uses the FET driver at all high output levels, it will be less efficient than the Convoy. So, if you use your light a long time, you're better off with the Convoy and a good high-capacity 18650 (rather than high drain). Get a 3500mAh Panasonic GA cell, or something like that. You don't need high drain, since you'll only use 2.8 amps.

    So anyone can identify the driver above?
    You said you verified your light has 12 mode groups? Then, yes, it has the new biscotti firmware. For your use, set it to mode group 12, which is single-mode maximum output. That's the mode I use, and IMO the only reasonable mode for a thrower like this.

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    Tks a lot man! Very informative

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    Hey guys merry Christmas to everyone!!!

    I did some patrols with my new convoy and I'm super happy about it. Here 2 pics showing the difference between my old flashlight (on the left) and the new C8 (on the right).




    Tks again to everyone for helping me. This forum is gold

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    I love that light. IMO, it's the best combination of performance, price, and quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Johnson View Post
    I love that light. IMO, it's the best combination of performance, price, and quality.
    Yes, for budget lights, I think Convoy has one of the best reputations for quality out there. Good tints, too!

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    Good looking comparison between the two, thanks for that. Makes me want a C8 now lol.

    Oh and if you bought from the Convoy Store on AliExpress than Simon that you talked to is the owner of Convoy.
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    MetalSir,
    Thanks so much for reporting back! So many people come here looking for a torch, then maybe say what they ordered but then... gone. It is always great to hear feedback and glad you are enjoying one of the best values for such good performance in a flashlight.

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