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    Default Olight S1 Mini Baton (Post #1 is now updated as review)

    So I was told I can post about this S1 Mini Baton on the 20th November 2017... it's 1:03am, 20th November 2017 at this side of the pond here...

    2 versions available, Cool White 70CRI and a not so Cool White Hi CRI 90.

    Available soon...

    • USB Rechargeable RCR123 battery included
    • Max 600 lumens CW and 450 Lumens Hi CRI
    • Dual direction pocket clip
    • Magnetic tailcap
    • TIR lens
    • Timer function
    • Low battery indicator at side switch


    I'm hoping my local distributor can get their hands on the HCRI stocks soon... I'm just curious how that XP-G3 90-CRI with 450 lumens and 5300-5500K would bring to the color rendering we see in real life...

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    Update 2017.12.17: Updating this post as a review

    Due to Hi-CRI model availability, I have again agreed and received these 2 small and compact lights from Olight for review.

    Olight S1 Mini CW and HCRI

    Reviewer's Overall Rating: ★★★★★
    Summary:


    Pros:

    • Small and lightweight
    • 600 lumens Bright (450 lumens for HCRI model)
    • Micro-USB rechargeable RCR123A battery included (Micro-USB cable included too)
    • Instant access to Moon mode and Turbo mode
    • Dual direction pocket clip
    • Colour reproduction of HCRI model is good
    • Underrated lumens


    Cons:

    • Magnet strength is much weaker than other Olight flashlights
    • Blue bezel ring is flush
    • Presence of artefacts in the beam profile
    • Turbo and low battery warning not available when using Primary CR123A











    The HCRI model name is printed at the tailcap.

    Features / Value: ★★★★★
    Retail at US$49.95, with plenty of coupon/discount codes and promotions especially during this year-end festive season, it's really a steal for such a small, compact and bright flashlight. The included micro-USB rechargeable RCR123A battery is plenty good and adds more value to the light as a whole. Olight even included a quality micro-USB data cable (yes, it can be use for both data sync and charging).

    charging in action...


    charging completed...


    Design / Build Quality: ★★★★★
    The build quality is of typical high quality from Olight. The anodizing is good. Modes switching is very stable via the side switch.


    As we have direct access to Turbo mode via double clicking, memorizing Turbo mode is not necessary. I'm glad Olight chooses to leave Turbo mode out of memory group.


    Only the high mode will be memorized for 10 minutes, not the Turbo as written in the User Manual. There is a workaround/surprise if you turn off the light in High mode and loosen the tailcap to lockout the S1 Mini. You will find that even after 10 minutes, when you then tighten the tailcap back and turn on the light, it comes back on in High and not reset to Medium. This is due to no power being supplied for the 10 minutes timer to work.


    Loosening (>3 seconds) and tightening the tailcap will also disengage the electronic lockout mode.


    The clip, the pocket clip, the 2-way pocket clip that is similar in design to FourSevens' Mini MKII but IMO is better by a tad bit because the clip covers the whole length of the S1 Mini unlike Mini MKII. This allows deep pocket carry both way while MKII only allows deep pocket carry in a head-down direction. Both are functional of course and the MKII design suits the twisty nature of the light and is probably why it is designed as such for better UX on the MKII while the electronic switch made this 2-way deep pocket carry clip on S1 Mini possible without compromise.


    Unlike previous S-series model, the magnet at the tailcap is weaker, much weaker and possibly due to Olight trying to squeeze out every milimeter to make it the shortest possible light while still incorporates the positive design feedback of previous S-series model. One of the criticism when Olight released the S-Mini limited edition last year was the missing magnetic tailcap, some users have expressed they would like to see the magnetic tailcap return in such a small form factor light and IMO, Olight has deliver.
    I also have in confident from Olight Engineer that one can "demagnetize" the tailcap magnetism by heating up the tailcap if one desire the non-magnetic tailcap on their S1 Mini. If you have a demagnetizer, that will probably do the job too.

    Now, about that bezel design... not that I have any proof that it's not as good as the older S-Mini protruded bezel, but I have more faith in the protruded bezel protecting the flashlight head than the S1 Mini's flush bezel. It's just a personal preference.


    The optic are different between the normal CW and HCRI model, the CW is using optic similar to S1 and S-Mini models, but HCRI is using a flat, lightly diffused TIR optic... probably trying to reduce the ugly tint-shift of the XP-G3 LED tho... above picture shows the clay imprint of the different optics used. From left, S1 Mini CW, S1 Mini HCRI, S Mini Ti Polished.




    Battery Life: ★★★★☆


    The included Micro-USB rechargeable RCR123A is labelled to have 650mAH capacity, and following is the runtime tested...


    Below included a runtime in Medium mode...

    Above runtime is consider decent. A 4-star rating due to the light does not have Low Voltage Protection (LVP) and rely solely on the protected RCR123A LVP, this mean you should not use unprotected LiIon cell in the light. This also creates an issue for when running the light with primary CR123A as the warning RED LED will not function when using primary CR123A (besides the fact that S1 Mini doesn't goes Turbo mode when using primary CR123A).
    The Low Voltage Warning function needs above 3.4V to function, where the RED LED located at the switch button will lights up when the Voltage goes below ~3.2V and continues to light up until the battery protection kicks-in. Thus, as good primary CR123A starting Voltage is ~3.25V, the Low Voltage Warning never comes into activation.

    Picture showing the Low Voltage Warning activated when battery power is low.

    Light Output: ★★★★★
    My home-made lightbox gives the following readings:

    Note that the above measured lumens are by no means authoritative nor an indication of over/under-stating the output by manufacturer (although in this case, I'm confident that Olight S1 Mini has mostly under-stating their lumens output). It's calibrated against some known output lights (e.g. Fenix, SureFire) so take it with a grain of salt and just as a relative reading.

    measured current to be:

    Standby current or parasitic drain: 25ĶA

    About the artefact in the S1 Mini CW beam profile... yes, it's there. There is a cross/star shape artefact in the beam when white wall hunting.
    What about the green corona and tint-shift in the S1 Mini HCRI? Yes, it's there too when white wall hunting.
    Now, see below picture of the hard to capture artefact and green corona...


    Ripples/PWM-effect in the light? Yes, it's there when taking the Optic front with a camera that can do ultra fast shutter speed except it's impossible for my eye to capture that no matter how fast I wave the light in front of myself like a crazy flashaholic.

    So ignoring the ripples effect, what can we crazy flashaholic (I mean myself) do about that artefact and green corona? Well, I dug out my old magic diffuser film, cut a small round shape and stick it to the front optics...

    and...

    Voilŗ! No more artefact and green corona (above pic shows what the diffuser film do to cast the green corona away, and I guess you just have to trust me that it also removes the CW beam artefact too).

    Summary: ★★★★★
    I think Olight has improves a fair lot since the S1 Baton released 2 years ago. Design and build quality of this S1 Mini is top-notch, the included Micro-USB rechargeable RCR123A battery is good, the 2-way clip is likely the best clip amongst all Olight S-series light and the HCRI model, although the beam is not as pleasing to look at as Nichia's 219B LED, but the High CRI part of XP-G3 90-CRI delivers. And the color rendering is as good as the Nichia R9050 LED.

    I would whole-heartedly recommend this S1 Mini to anyone looking for a pocket/purse EDC light... and my personal preference would be the HCRI model of course. With the various price promotions this festive season, it's a good gift option to consider.

    I'm gonna leave you with a couple of box shots of S1 Mini...






    Last edited by rookiedaddy; 12-16-2017 at 07:45 PM.
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    I was hoping for nichia

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    High Cri cool white xp-g3 sounds gross, no offense
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozythemandias View Post
    High Cri cool white xp-g3 sounds gross, no offense

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    Good news is that itís XP so a 219b or c swap should be simple enough, I had to stick a warm XML2 in my SMINI
    White wall hunting is not a very good indicator of a flashlightís potential, not sure where it got itís popularity. - DB Customs

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    Quote Originally Posted by rookiedaddy View Post
    [*] USB Rechargeable RCR123 battery included[*] Dual direction pocket clip
    thanks for the pics

    like the USB option

    like the high CRI option
    (concerned the XP-G3 might have more green than I want, but, hope you post pics and win the lottery)

    Here are a couple photos, I could not find an XP-G2 to compare

    Quote Originally Posted by MEM
    Last edited by jon_slider; 11-19-2017 at 02:16 PM.

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    Looks like a nice light but, it sucks there are only cool white options. That eliminates it as an option for me. Looks like another non-reversible clip too which is disappointing. I wonder if they finally added an AR coated glass lens to protect the optic? And, I wonder if they got rid of the PWM on the moonlight mode?
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    These are aluminum? If so, are these the first aluminum s1 minis? I don't remember seeing any aluminum in the past, could have just missed it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Talmadge View Post
    These are aluminum? If so, are these the first aluminum s1 minis? I don't remember seeing any aluminum in the past, could have just missed it
    These are new, I believe Olights intention is to phase out the S Mini as they were a limited edition and replace it with these
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozythemandias View Post
    High Cri cool white xp-g3 sounds gross, no offense
    I have to agree. Not only is cool white not desirable but, I am guessing many will be pretty green tinted to boot depending on what bin they got. I don't understand why they are not offering a nice high CRI neutral white like 4000-4500K nominal. Olight always seems to miss the mark imo and it's too bad because they have some good ideas and design features.

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    manufacturer's pic with clip...

    << updated image coming soon... >>

    and front of S1 Mini...

    << updated image coming soon... >>
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    Nice. Just like my s mini with a 4sevens mini mark2 clip.

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    Good to see they arenít in the lumen race with this one. Just a purely useable light at a moderate lumen level.

    What actual users will want to know and talk about is whatís the other lumen settings and run times. Says usb rechargeable. So is it magnetic. Or is does the battery have a port on it. Is it their regular rcr123 or the H1R or S1R battery or is it an all new battery. Whatís the battery capacity and draw.

    I am fine with cool white or neutral white as long as they donít look brownish or Antarctic deep sub zero blue. Not really worried about white wall tints.

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    Full specifications page from manufacturer... hopefully this would suffice and answer most of the questions you may have for now... well... at least until someone get their hands on these and do some testing...

    << updated image coming soon... >>
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunga View Post
    Nice. Just like my s mini with a 4sevens mini mark2 clip.
    Looks like they paid some attention to the thread discussion on the Smini going with a Mini Mk II style clip. Looks good but I am in the 4000-4500K neutral camp so it won't be replacing my S1 or Smini neutrals.Wonder how the UI works ? There are some differences between the S1 and Smini. Might be worth getting one of the 5500K HCRI models eventually just for fun if the price is decent.
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    I agree that a neutral tint would be great, but this is a cute and handy little light anyway. Iím not certain how well the in-light charging works, given that I have no lights with that feature, but Iíd give it a try and consider giving these as gifts, if the price is no higher than around $40.

    Edit: just noticed the magnetic tail cap. That doesnít work for me, as I need to carry too many magnetized secure access and ID cards to risk the magnet coming near them. Maybe itís removable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mightysparrow View Post
    I agree that a neutral tint would be great, but this is a cute and handy little light anyway. Iím not certain how well the in-light charging works, given that I have no lights with that feature, but Iíd give it a try and consider giving these as gifts, if the price is no higher than around $40.

    Edit: just noticed the magnetic tail cap. That doesnít work for me, as I need to carry too many magnetized secure access and ID cards to risk the magnet coming near them. Maybe itís removable?
    I don't think it is "in-light" charging, from the description it sounds like the battery has a built in USB port. The magnet is removable on the original S1 so hopefully it will remain the same on this light. The magnetic tail cap doesn't work for me either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZMZ67 View Post
    I don't think it is "in-light" charging, from the description it sounds like the battery has a built in USB port.
    I agree
    like these, and they are protected




    Quote Originally Posted by rookiedaddy View Post
    manufacturer's pic with clip...

    thanks for the pics, I think its really cool that the bezels give the led details
    great gift item, thanks to the rechargeable cell
    the protection gives me peace of mind also

    and finally high CRi, not just low cri neutral
    it also works as a cap light, and has a sublumen low
    that checks a lot of boxes!

    whats not to like?
    (where is the buy it now button?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon_slider View Post
    I agree
    like these, and they are protected





    thanks for the pics, I think its really cool that the bezels give the led details
    great gift item, thanks to the rechargeable cell
    the protection gives me peace of mind also

    and finally high CRi, not just low cri neutral
    it also works as a cap light, and has a sublumen low
    that checks a lot of boxes!

    whats not to like?
    (where is the buy it now button?)
    My s Mini is the best carry all day and night and everywhere light Iíve ever owned. Iím not a white wall tint critic but I can say the NW in the limited edition Ti is perfect for telling colors apart in real use and it donít blast back in your face like CW does straining the eyes. That battery would be the weak point. If its going to be a user light like this one will most likely be seeing it's made from recycled beer cans, itíll get knocked around and dropped. Them batteries with the usb charge on them tend to not take drops as good. Iíd keep it as a spare and run a 16340 that needs a charger, like I do with my current S Mini. The magnetic cap will be a go for normal users. If I were in a situation where I am carrying a card that is magnetic sensitive Iím smart enough to move it to a different pocket. There are plenty of times I use my H1R or S1R because I specifically need the magnetic feature and being a regular need to use user of lights, itís a feature most will find a pro, not a con. If youíre buying it to collect it and donít want a magnetic cap get one of the limited edition ones. In the overall picture the most expensive S Mini is very affordable. With the new beer can version coming out the LE ones will drop in price because they arenít going to move once it comes out. Black Friday, thereís going to be a good sale at the Olight store dot com page. 😑

    when available, I am going to get that clip though. Looks way better than the LE clips.

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    It doesn't make sense to me. Because why they choose cree for CRI they know we want nichia.

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    I absolutely love this light. It is small, compact and great for everyday activities. I carry one with me all the time. Along with my smaller ThorFire TS3A that I have in my collection. The Boton is extremely resilient to drops and damage as it has fallen various times and I am now approaching a year with mine. Love the light I would highly recommend it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris74 View Post
    The magnetic cap will be a go for normal users. If I were in a situation where I am carrying a card that is magnetic sensitive Iím smart enough to move it to a different pocket.
    This is an example of why I am not participating in the CPF discussions much anymore. Boris: your rude and unnecessary suggestion about my intelligence level notwithstanding, it did occur to me that I could keep the light in a different pocket than my access cards. However, the risk of them coming into close proximity is still too great to take for me. I hope that clarifies my comments above sufficiently for you to better understand them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mightysparrow View Post
    This is an example of why I am not participating in the CPF discussions much anymore. Boris: your rude and unnecessary suggestion about my intelligence level notwithstanding, it did occur to me that I could keep the light in a different pocket than my access cards. However, the risk of them coming into close proximity is still too great to take for me. I hope that clarifies my comments above sufficiently for you to better understand them.
    I go beyond magnets around my cards. I donít keep anything electronic around them. Phone or light without a magnet and everything in between. I treat them like a compass. Even though I left my S1R on a smart chip card I rarely use and it did nothing to it after 30 minutes I wonít take the risk. I understood what you were saying. I just take it a notch up and keep awareness of what Iím doing and keep everything magnetic or electronic away from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nichia! View Post
    It doesn't make sense to me. Because why they choose cree for CRI they know we want nichia.
    Not everyone wants Nichia though. I personally wouldn't on a light like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mightysparrow View Post
    This is an example of why I am not participating in the CPF discussions much anymore. Boris: your rude and unnecessary suggestion about my intelligence level notwithstanding, it did occur to me that I could keep the light in a different pocket than my access cards. However, the risk of them coming into close proximity is still too great to take for me. I hope that clarifies my comments above sufficiently for you to better understand them.
    I am still hopeful that the magnet is going to be removable like it is on the original S1.If the magnet is permanently affixed then I will pass on this light.
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    They're clearly using different emitters for the low and high cri lights. Otherwise the lumen - candela difference would be linear and the HCRI would have 1875cd, not 1220cd.

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    there is no evidence that cells with usb chargers built in are more fragile, and no evidence that most people want a magnet

    there is no evidence that the neutral LED in the SMini Ti is as good at color rendering as a High CRI LED.

    this is what the neutral LED in the Ti Mini looks like (click pic for full review)
    focus on the red R9 bar, note it is a negative number
    Quote Originally Posted by maukka
    this is what an N219c 5000k High CRI looks like, again note the red R9 bar:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZMZ67 View Post
    I am still hopeful that the magnet is going to be removable like it is on the original S1.If the magnet is permanently affixed then I will pass on this light.
    Phones got a cople of magnets
    Killing a magnet is a easy task, just heat it up to above 176į Fahrenheit (80į Celsius) and the magnet dies for good. Tailstanding it in a frying pan on low heat, tailstanding it in boiling water, put a lighter to it. It's a really simple task to kill that magnet if the magnet is your only drawback on this light

    I dont use my olight, im too used to the zebralight ui. So for me, the ui is the drawback.. Or not the ui itself, but my muscle memory from years of using my beloved zebras ruins the olight

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    It always amazes me how finicky people can be about lights.

    For example, I put my S1ís pocket clip at 90 degrees to the button. With this one that wonít be possible. While it will be a slight bother it wonít prevent me from buying one, though.

    I would want the CRI version, simply because I have no hi-CRI LED lights, and my other S1 fulfils my other need. Hopefully the tint isnít green as the guys are predicting, that would really be a bother for me.

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    my bet is the magnet is removable, like in this Pineapple inspired $50 Klarus version of a "USB rechargeable 16340" light. The Olight wins in the CRI department, but if you watch the video you will recognize many similar features as the smini...
    Last edited by jon_slider; 11-20-2017 at 02:19 PM.

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