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    Hi Everyone reading this,




    1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?


    ____I would like to purchase the light in person from a brick and mortar store. I am located in the Netherlands
    ____This will be mail-order or Online (location doesn't matter).




    2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :-)


    ____Up to $50.




    3) Format:


    ____I want a flashlight (hand held/self contained).




    4) Size:
    ____TINY - Every day carry (2-4 inches).
    As small as possible with a 18650 inside of it.




    5) Emitter/Light source:
    ____LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)




    6) Manufacturer:
    ____I want to buy a light from a large/traditional manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.




    7) What power source do you want to use?
    ____I intend to use Rechargeable cells based on less common formats (18650).


    7a) If you have selected a rechargeable option
    ____I don't care




    8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is not a happy experience).


    ____I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (1-10 lumens).
    ____I want an indoor "blackout" light (15-50 lumens)
    ____I want to confidently walk around an unlit/unpaved rural area (60-150 lumens).






    9) Flood vs Throw: Flood covers an area, Throw reaches out to a distance.


    I don't really know. Something normal? Just normal EDC things. being able to read something, see something when the light goes out, in house, in a forest, under the couch, perhaps mount it to my handlebars if my front light fails and I have to get home so I can at least be seen. nothing really special.




    9a) Distance: How far away will you typically need to see with this light (check all that apply)
    ____Less than 5 meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
    ____5-20 meters (check out a noise in the backyard)




    10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum continuous output).


    ____3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).




    11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.


    ____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood).
    ____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
    (EDC, might drop it)


    12) Switch Size, Type, and location (choose all that apply):


    ____I want a tail mounted switch (found on the majority of today’s high end lights). recessed if possible.




    13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.


    ____A simple on-off with only one output level is fine for me.
    (I very strongly dislike modes)




    14)Material/Finish/Coating


    ____I don’t care.


    15) Water resistance


    pocket sweat resistant.


    16) Storage conditions


    ____Other: in my jeans pocket, next to my multitool




    17) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any/all below.


    prefer not much bigger than the battery. recessed switch would be nice so it doesn't turn on in my pocket.

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    Default Re: 1x 18650 no mode tiny flashlight

    SC64 (various choices of LED) are the smallest 18650 lights I know of, though they are over your budget and side switch. I don't have issues with accidental activation, and the anodize is amazingly tough next to keys in my pocket. UI is programmable...choose your levels and runtimes, or make it a single mode light.

    For tail switch and under budget, you step up in size to convoy S2+ or similar, which many people EDC (I did for years).

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    edit: was posted double. thought it went wrong.
    Last edited by Brutus; 12-28-2017 at 04:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keitho View Post
    SC64 (various choices of LED) are the smallest 18650 lights I know of, though they are over your budget and side switch. I don't have issues with accidental activation, and the anodize is amazingly tough next to keys in my pocket. UI is programmable...choose your levels and runtimes, or make it a single mode light.

    For tail switch and under budget, you step up in size to convoy S2+ or similar, which many people EDC (I did for years).
    I hope this comment goes through.

    Thank you for your comment. i think the SC64 is a bit much for my application. I'd rather have one I can easily replace if it breaks in the future.

    The Convoy S2+ is the perfect size (according to the pictures, it's a lot smaller compared to the SC64), but it's a multi mode flashlight. I have tried several similar lights, but they all ended up in the trash because of the modes. I even tried out more expensive multi mode flashlights, but those were (in my opinion) bad as well, due to the modes.

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    Default Re: 1x 18650 no mode tiny flashlight

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    The Convoy S2+ is the perfect size (according to the pictures, it's a lot smaller compared to the SC64), but it's a multi mode flashlight. I have tried several similar lights, but they all ended up in the trash because of the modes.
    The SC64 is smaller than the S2+: about the same max diameter (24.1 vs 24.5 mm); but, the SC64 necks down to a smaller diameter for most of the length; overall length is shorter (93 vs 118 mm), and weight is less (38 vs 70 g). Also, the SC64 is programmable--if you want a single mode light, you can spend a few minutes setting it up when you get it (choose whatever level you want), and never do anything else except single click on (or double click, or press and hold), single click off.

    The choice between the two is pretty stark: expensive, smallest/lightest, durable, choice of LED colors; or, inexpensive, not-quite-as-small, attractive, choice of body and LED colors.

    Also, I haven't used them, but there are folks who will customize the firmware on an S2 for you, if you want a single mode interface. It might add a few bucks, but would probably still be half the price of an SC64.

    Best of luck!

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    I still can't see myself spend 70 on a LED light. For 20 I *might* consider that light.


    I honestly don't care if the light looks attractive, if I have LED colors etc. Just need something I throw next to my knife, lighter and multitool, in the same pocket, that just works. I don't want to mess with all that stuff.

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    Solarforce L2P can be had for very little money and be ordered with a single mode P60 drop in module. You could even just get the flashlight body and find another drop in from somewhere else to provide the lumens.

    Maybe even their T1 would be a good fit for you, tighten the head for max output only and loosen to cycle between medium and low. While there are several other lights that have this feature, most are above your budget limit. If you are willing to go above the $50 mark then I might have different recommendations. Notably a Surefire G2X or an older 6P.

    Edit: Just did some more looking around and you might be able to find a Surefire G2X for right around the $50 price point. I mean the single output Tactical or Law Enforcement models not the Pro which has two modes. But of course the Surefires can't use 18650s...but I use 16650s in mine.
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    It's a "multimode" but what about the emisar d4? It acts like a singlemode and turns on and off with a simple click, but can do way more than that if you want it to. So the ui is based around a one click on off thing with ramping to the level you want, and shortcuts to all the other stuff you wont need Goes from silly bright to really dim, set the output you like and youre done. The emisar d4 thread is looong in here, so i guess there is a lot of flashaholics in here that really love the "ramping, single mode" ui, and the silly brightness in a tiny light. A big plus is that it's fairly cheap and you can choose from many types of led's and coulor tempratures.
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    Default Re: 1x 18650 no mode tiny flashlight

    Xeno S3A V2. Mine is the neutral. 3 mode. Small 18650 rock solid light.

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    @Keitho:

    The L2p doesn't appear to be a current model. Can't find it for sale on this side of the planet or china. Does appear to be a good light.

    Cheapest link for the G2X that I can find is 95 euro's, not including shipping. Bit much tbh.

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    @jorn:

    That light really surprises me. I got some googling to do. Only 1.87 shipping to my country. It might be a tad bit big, but that light can go from normal to incredibly bright easily it seams. I'm going to read up on that light. Thank you for that advise. Might not be entirely what I was looking for, but I might buy that. It's at least not like the normal mode lights which are so annoying.
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    @kyhunter1 appears to be a decent light. still not sure about the modes. found one english review on youtube that appears to like it and it at least defaults to bright. Can't find it for a normal price though.

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    Emisar D4 will turn on in low with a "press-hold" ( instead of a "click" ) . A "double-click" takes you to max .

    Of course, you can use it as just "click on / click off" if you prefer.

    It is a side-mounted switch, however.
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    Another option, thinking outside the box a bit, could be the Peak Logan (17500)

    Although I think this may match the spirit of what you are wanting, you would need to make do with only 17500 size cells max, and price might be a bit over your budget (especially with shipping etc)

    Also should mention that you would need to request single mode (non-QTC) output and momentary switch options.
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    the problem with the sidemount that i can see is that it might turn on in my pocket. as long as an on/off works, it might be ok. I bought two other small lights to try them out (were recommended to me outside of this forum, the singfire sf 348 with a 10440 battery and the astrolux a01 with an aaa battery, both dirt cheap super light lights which might be nice for when I'm wearing a suit) but will buy this light when I figure out which lens and led i wish to use. Even if it's too big for my pocket, it might be a nice backup for in my backpack.

    The peak logan is way outside my price range. seems like a great light, just not going to buy that. I've bought a car for less than that (not even joking, had it for a year)
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    Default Re: 1x 18650 no mode tiny flashlight

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
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    The peak logan is way outside my price range. seems like a great light, just not going to buy that. I've bought a car for less than that (not even joking, had it for a year)
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    Hi Brutus, what do you dislike so much about lights with modes? Many lights with modes can be used pretty much as single mode lights with a single click to turn on or a single click to turn off. The other modes require a different button press to access.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LightObsession View Post
    Hi Brutus, what do you dislike so much about lights with modes? Many lights with modes can be used pretty much as single mode lights with a single click to turn on or a single click to turn off. The other modes require a different button press to access.
    So far, all the flashlights that I've had or held, that had modes, were pretty much useless due to the modes. you accidently click twice and you blind the entire room with a strobe, you expect it to turn on just normally but at random, it sends an SOS signal instead, ones that suddenly decide to start in a random mode when you turn it on. Since I've never had the need for a different mode, I don't see why I would annoy myself with a flashlight that has them. So far, my experience with modes have just not been very nice. I see it as a liability, not a feature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    So far, all the flashlights that I've had or held, that had modes, were pretty much useless due to the modes. you accidently click twice and you blind the entire room with a strobe, you expect it to turn on just normally but at random, it sends an SOS signal instead, ones that suddenly decide to start in a random mode when you turn it on. Since I've never had the need for a different mode, I don't see why I would annoy myself with a flashlight that has them. So far, my experience with modes have just not been very nice. I see it as a liability, not a feature.
    I understand. I greatly prefer certainty of the mode that I turn my light on in and not being surprised. My Zebralights are very easy to start in the mode that you want to start in, since which mode you start in depends on whether you do a quick click or hold the button down. My Manker E02 is also easy to get the desired mode on the first try. Neither of those lights uses an 18650 battery, though.

    The light I use the most is a Coast HX5 1AA light that is 1 mode with momentary on and adjustable focus because it is easiest to deploy from my back pocket.

    I don't own any 18650 lights.

    Good luck in your search.

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    The Convoy S2+ has been mentioned before, with the addition of getting a custom firmware.

    If it was me who had your requirements I would also most likely choose the Convoy S2+.
    But instead of a custom firmware I would choose to purchase one of the single mode driver boards available (at least on the Convoy Aliexpress shop).
    If you do not feel like swapping the board yourself, try writing to the shop owner, maybe they are willing to ship a complete single mode S2+ to you.
    The S2+ model is available in many configurations, so I believe they manufacture on demand, so a single mode version should not be an difficult order to fill for them as they have the single mode driver in their shop.

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    the astrolux a01 has "next mode memory". It has memory, so it remembers what mode you used last, but turns on in the next mode. Worst ui ever, and on top of it all it got slow pwm. I owned mine for one day before i gifted it to someone.. in anger.. Use it in med and turn it off. The next time i want to use it, it comes on in hi, because the last mode i used was medium. So lets say i just use the high mode, then turn it off. The next tme it comes on in lo........

    And the emisar d4, is small for a 18650 light. Atleast compared with 99% of the other 18650 lights on the marked.


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    Filled out flashlight template for opening post indicates a desire for 1 to 150 lumens: not sure how that can be done without modes unless maybe a person has a 150 lumen light and is able to throttle it down with finger obstruction or some other method.

    Convoy S2+ can be programmed by Randy at FlexPRO to be one mode, with the ability to change it later. Perhaps someone could cheaply make a S2+ with desired feature.

    Emissar D4 can be clicked 4 times, putting it in momentary max, though that is too bright.

    Zebralight can be used by just holding the button down until desired light level is achieved. Those familiar with the new programmable models could possibly assist in initial programming.

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    If you are comfortable replacing a driver, there are drivers with Gppydrv firmware with 22 programmable mode groups available, with single mode as an option

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    @alf_17 well, if I can solder a new board on it, that should be ok


    https://nl.aliexpress.com/store/prod...008719522.html


    https://nl.aliexpress.com/store/prod...256437472.html


    One of those two I assume?

    I also found this one, it's the Convoy in single mode but it's UV:

    https://www.banggood.com/Convoy-S2-N...r_warehouse=CN



    @jorn Well, then I guess that was a waste of 5 euro's then. I overlooked thart part. That's a shame even that small light has modes. That next mode memmory thing is very common sadly


    @KITROBASKIN I thought most flashlights were below 150 lumens. I prefer usable hours over super bright. I don't care if it's 75 or 500 lumens, as long as I can walk over that dark path without falling, look under the couch, check inside the usb port of my cell phone. Just normal stuff. I can't find Randy at FlexPro but I assume that getting someone to mod a 12 euro flashlight for me is a bit much. Zebralights are expensive, as far as I can tell.


    @thslw8jg Sorry, I have no idea what you mean.

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    Default Re: 1x 18650 no mode tiny flashlight

    It is PFlexPRO but may be more than you are willing to pay.

    Seems like you are OK with a few lumens or something more powerful. For those people who lose flashlights easily, perhaps the less expensive models will suffice.

    What about a MiniMag and forego the 18650 capability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    @alf_17 well, if I can solder a new board on it, that should be ok


    https://nl.aliexpress.com/store/prod...008719522.html


    https://nl.aliexpress.com/store/prod...256437472.html


    One of those two I assume?
    Exactly, dependent on how much power you want in the light.
    You could choose the one with 8 pcs. 7135's, and if you find it to make the light too bright you can always solder the 7135 chips of one at a time until you reach a desirable light level.
    If you don't want to go by trial and error with removing chips one at a time there is a more scientific method.
    Each 7135 delivers around 350mA, so if you know how many milliamps you want to drive the LED with you could divide this by 350 to know approximately how many chips to leave on the board.
    You could use a benchtop powersupply capable of limiting the amps to drive the LED directly so you can figure out how many milliamps you want.

    As your demand for the single mode is for simplicity, the use of a dedicated single mode board instead of a multi mode board programmed to single mode is preferable, as the dedicated single mode board does not have a microcontroller, which is another possible point of failure.

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    @KITROBASKIN I got 2 of the mini maglites, although a bit older, but they aren't powerful enough to look under the couch or even see my white/amber cat in the dark. Maybe with a LED upgrade they might be fine?


    @alf_17 I've made wiring harnasses for multiple bikes, connected all the lights and extra stuff needed like horns, tiny compressors etc. That stuff I get. That 7135 stuff you mention, I wouldn't know where to start. Also, the only benchtop PSU I have is a bike battery.


    I really didn't expect this to be such a difficult one. My father is also complaining about his flashlight that it has all those useless modes. Most people I've seen that have flashlights have on/off flashlights.

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    How much run time do you actually need?

    Most single mode 18650 powered lights are going to be way too bright for your basic uses you describe.

    For looking under the couch for something or under the cat, a 1AA Coast HX5 for $20 or Maglite Solitaire LED for $10 would serve those functions just fine.

    The HX5 has a push button tail switch with momentary activation by pushing the button partially and you can lock it on by pushing the button until it clicks.

    For the Maglite Solitaire, you tighten the head slightly to turn it on. It is way brighter than your old 2AA Mimi Mags.

    I use NiMh rechargables in the above lights and swap the single battery for a fresh one when they start to dim.

    The Streamlight Microstream is s another 1AAA light that would likely meet your needs.

    My impression is that the multi-mode lights that you’ve tried operate similarly to many Nebo and other inexpensive multi-mode lights that either require you to cycle through the remaining modes to turn the light off or turn on in the next mode the next time you turn the light on. I also despise lights that operate that way, but there are many mult-brightness lights that can be turned on reliably in the exact mode that you desire without guesswork or surprises after you play with it for a day or two.

    I will be interested in what you finally decide on.

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    Most single 18650 lights will have multiple modes. The Emisar D4 has a ramp feature so would not work for you, but if it did, it would be great. Maybe go smaller to a single AA light, the coast hp1 or similar come to mind, one mode. I used mine for a long time until I dropped it crossing the road and it got ran over by a bus, still works but it flickers. A key chain flashlight would even work for most of your purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazar View Post
    Maybe go smaller to a single AA light, the coast hp1 or similar come to mind, one mode. I used mine for a long time until I dropped it crossing the road and it got ran over by a bus, still works but it flickers. A key chain flashlight would even work for most of your purposes.
    Coast no longer lists the HP1 (my HP1 had 2 modes before I lost it)) on their website, but is still for sale at various vendors. The Coast HX1 1AA is a fine single mode light.

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