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    6 clicks from off to momentary maximum (tactical) is not a setting you can disable or change brightness settings. Itís documented in the manual. We figured the only way someone might accidentally get there is trying to get to candle mode. Auto turn off is a better feature for pocket carry, and I use this feature on my raised tail rotaries when I holster carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaichu dento View Post
    I mean, complete mismatch.

    Hogo will know if it's okay to talk about the body of the light that Henry had at SHOT but was forbidden to show.
    Let's not open this can of worms. Yes, I made him stick that thing in his pocket and keep it hidden away. This seems to be a trend with Henry and I at SHOT show. It's been two years with no movement forward on that... coating. If there is actual progress on it this year, I will announce it, but until I actually see progress on it... it should stay in Henry's pocket out of sight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogokansatsukan View Post
    Let's not open this can of worms. Yes, I made him stick that thing in his pocket and keep it hidden away. This seems to be a trend with Henry and I at SHOT show. It's been two years with no movement forward on that... coating. If there is actual progress on it this year, I will announce it, but until I actually see progress on it... it should stay in Henry's pocket out of sight.
    If itís the old HAIII greenish grey anodizing... oh man... canít wait to hear more information

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    All of these comments reminds of the early days of 4-7's & the massive hint dropping about impending releases when the original Ti quarks were in design & early production...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tachead View Post
    Link and/or pic please. And, what do you mean the older clickies? Do they still work on the newest ones? Thanks.
    Here are a few links ... sorry about the photos.

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...clips-for-sale

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...-available-now

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    Ok, I found a couple of my own photos of these clips ...



    These were custom shaped (bent) to size and style



    And included with the Ti Ra
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    NOT TITANIUM. NOT OLIVE HAIII. It was a test of NP3 nickel plating. Again, this was done about 2 years ago and has not proceeded since then. Of the things to get one's hopes up about, this currently isn't one of them.
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    First production HDS cave light. It sure ain't purdy, but had dual light levels (low and high) along with dual switches. Made in 1979. 15 were initially made and sold to members of the National Speleological Society. This was Henry's that was used by him hence the dirt and damage. And yes, it still works.

    This was Henry's third design. The first tried to kill him twice in Mexico. The second had the switches smashed. This third model, was the success.

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    Archi, your pics shuld come with a warning!!! may cause drooling

    Love it hogo, would you say this is where it pretty much all started from? Still works.............incredible! My lads lad..s lad will be made up is great grandpa's rotary still works

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    Please can you so a pic of that on someone's head?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ven View Post
    Archi, your pics shuld come with a warning!!! may cause drooling
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    Thanks ven, cheers !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogokansatsukan View Post
    NOT TITANIUM. NOT OLIVE HAIII. It was a test of NP3 nickel plating. Again, this was done about 2 years ago and has not proceeded since then. Of the things to get one's hopes up about, this currently isn't one of them.
    Regardless, Iím really excited about whatever comes out. Iím just partial to olive HAIII

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    Quote Originally Posted by moltenmag View Post
    If itís the old HAIII greenish grey anodizing... oh man... canít wait to hear more information


    DING DING DING YES please bring that back that was my request a little while back as well. 😀👍
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    Quote Originally Posted by archimedes View Post
    Ok, I found a couple of my own photos of these clips ...



    These were custom shaped (bent) to size and style

    What's on the head of your hds/AA model??



    And included with the Ti Ra
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tachead View Post
    Any further opinions on peoples preferences when it comes to clips for the clicky would be appreciated. What do guys like best and why(Standard clip, Decorative clip, Dark Sucks clip, Oveready clip)? Thanks.
    My clip is a lanyard:





    It's bezel down, can be used hands-free coming in with my hands full, and when detached prevents dropping. Also anti-roll, no interference with tail-standing and totally Rotary compatible. And yes, that is a stainless set screw you see, so that one can use all of the old screw-on designs. It's a HCRI Legacy.

    Oh, and it cost about 25 cents.
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    Thanks for all the info, photos, and suggestions on clips guys👍.

    I wish there was a deep carry clip available for the new clickies. Maybe I can have one custom made.
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    maybe something for Jason Hui of Prometheus to look into.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tachead View Post
    Thanks for all the info, photos, and suggestions on clips guys.

    I wish there was a deep carry clip available for the new clickies. Maybe I can have one custom made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neutralwhite View Post
    maybe something for Jason Hui of Prometheus to look into.
    Yeah, or maybe Oveready. I would prefer steel over titanium personally with a durable PVD or DLC coating. It would be awesome to see one made similar to the Decorative ones but, be bent into a deep carry design flush with the tailcap. And, it needs a larger bend(lip) at the end so it is easier to clip on. That is one thing wrong with both of Henry's designs(Standard and decorative). They have much too small of a lip at the end which makes them hard to clip on. That is why people seem to prefer the Oveready one I think. I am guessing this design flaw might have been overlooked because Henry is not a clip user from what I hear. Maybe Hogo could bring this to Henry's attention for when the next run is made?
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    I'm not dispariging your preference, but I've bent clips beyond recognition catching a "lip" that's too pronounced on furniture, my seatbelt, other clothing, etc. I'd rather have to lift it with my fingers if needed to re-pocket than find my light next to my seat dangling off the seatbelt. And I like having something to grab onto when drawing the light to use, finding the current clips deep carry enough. Something like the Elzetta Alpha, where half the light is hanging out of your pocket, is another story...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogokansatsukan View Post
    It may be possible. Do you know what version it is? i.e. roughly the date of manufacture? ACME threads?. The head would need to be reprogrammed, then calibrated. The cost is $45 to upgrade to the most current software. Any idea what software version is in it?
    I've been curious for a while, but why is it so expensive to upgrade the firmware? Is it a labor intensive and/or time consuming process? Because $45 seems a bit steep to me. I would have jumped at it a long time ago for $25 (seeing how I was one of the ones who asked Henry if he would consider offering a firmware upgrade), but that $45 price tag always makes me think twice.

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    My guess is to keep every person with an HDS from sending it back in every time thereís a tiny firmware update. Heíd be spending all his time programming lights and never get anything else done. Itís probably something he doesnít prefer to spend his limited time doing unless itís monetarily worth the effort. Running a small business myself, I totally understand if this is the logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scout24 View Post
    I'm not dispariging your preference, but I've bent clips beyond recognition catching a "lip" that's too pronounced on furniture, my seatbelt, other clothing, etc. I'd rather have to lift it with my fingers if needed to re-pocket than find my light next to my seat dangling off the seatbelt. And I like having something to grab onto when drawing the light to use, finding the current clips deep carry enough. Something like the Elzetta Alpha, where half the light is hanging out of your pocket, is another story...
    I had a light with a clip catch on the seatbelt, then fall out on a stone driveway. I never noticed it was missing until hours later. I did find it later, after having been driven over several times. Luckily it had no damage ( a HDS light ). That is the main reason I don't use clips anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scout24 View Post
    I'm not dispariging your preference, but I've bent clips beyond recognition catching a "lip" that's too pronounced on furniture, my seatbelt, other clothing, etc. I'd rather have to lift it with my fingers if needed to re-pocket than find my light next to my seat dangling off the seatbelt. And I like having something to grab onto when drawing the light to use, finding the current clips deep carry enough. Something like the Elzetta Alpha, where half the light is hanging out of your pocket, is another story...
    I get what you are saying too but, I am not talking about making the lip huge just similar to most of the other popular clips on the market(both knife and flashlight). The current HDS ones seam to have a smaller lip without much ramping to it. I havent tried them but, having to struggle to clip a light or knife to your pocket or use two hands is rather annoying imo. If you compare the Oveready and Dark Sucks Clips they seam to have a larger lip with a much smoother ramp to it. I am guessing that is why many people seem to prefer them. Overall, this is not a huge issue but, I just thought I would bring it up as slight tweaks that improve or refine a design are never a bad thing imo.

    As for the carry depth, deep carry clips(where the tailcap sits flush with the edge of your pocket) are still very easy to draw but give a few added benefits. First, they better protect the light and other things it can rub on from scratches as the tail is not sticking out. Second, they prevent the tailcap from rubbing on things which can often loosen it. And third, it makes for a more discrete and clean look when your carrying as there isnt a big tailcap sticking out of your pants for everyone to see. Plus, there are plenty of standard carry options available now but, no deep carry ones. If you prefer standard carry then just stick to the ones currently available but, it would be nice for people who prefer deep carry to have an option again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironhorse View Post
    I had a light with a clip catch on the seatbelt, then fall out on a stone driveway. I never noticed it was missing until hours later. I did find it later, after having been driven over several times. Luckily it had no damage ( a HDS light ). That is the main reason I don't use clips anymore.
    You just have to get in the habit of checking it once and a while(especially when you get in and out of your car). I have never had it happen with a flashlight but, have had it happen with a knife. I noticed right away when I heard it hit the ground luckily though.

    Another disadvantage with clips is they can scratch things. I once put a large scratch in the side of my my GFs SUV with a knife clip. But again, I learned how to prevent it going forward. I am now in the habit of guarding it when I am around thing that can get scratched like a LEO does with his sidearm.

    Everything has advantages and disadvantages but, when it comes to flashlight carry methods I think that pocket clips advantages far outweigh their disadvantages. That is why they are by far the most popular form of carry for both flashlights and folding knives. But, its good to have options and a good holster is another great option but, it has its own set of advantages and disadvantages lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nbp View Post
    My guess is to keep every person with an HDS from sending it back in every time thereís a tiny firmware update. Heíd be spending all his time programming lights and never get anything else done. Itís probably something he doesnít prefer to spend his limited time doing unless itís monetarily worth the effort. Running a small business myself, I totally understand if this is the logic.
    Yes, I suspected that the price might be deliberately unattractive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironhorse View Post
    I had a light with a clip catch on the seatbelt, then fall out on a stone driveway. I never noticed it was missing until hours later. I did find it later, after having been driven over several times. Luckily it had no damage ( a HDS light ). That is the main reason I don't use clips anymore.
    I lost my favorite D10 back when they were a thing and a few years later my favorite Clicky. Neither saw either light again and I went from being a huge fan of clips to a carrier of a naked Rotary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nbp View Post
    My guess is to keep every person with an HDS from sending it back in every time thereís a tiny firmware update. Heíd be spending all his time programming lights and never get anything else done. Itís probably something he doesnít prefer to spend his limited time doing unless itís monetarily worth the effort. Running a small business myself, I totally understand if this is the logic.
    That was it exactly. I asked him about flashing my firmware on a Clicky several years ago and he really didn't want to do it but relented when I asked if he could attach a charge to it in order to make it worth his while.
    Within a year he was offering the service, but making sure the price was high enough that he wouldn't have to be doing a lot of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogokansatsukan View Post
    Yes, you would go to the website and purchase the upgrade. I see no problem changing the software as well, but let me confirm that with Henry on Monday.

    Here is a quick and dirty way to tell what software is in your light...

    Lights prior to December 2013 have the electronic lock out.

    5 clicks from off candle mode: software 2.10

    7 clicks from off candle mode: software 2.14

    9 clicks from off candle mode: software 2.15 (this also has the 6 click from off that turns the light into pure momentary until you remove the battery for 60 seconds. This is lights after January 2015.

    Candle mode was never documented but is one way to tell what software version you have.


    And as a small bit of advice, when traveling to the bathroom at 0300 with a new puppy in the house, it is advisable to use a low setting on your HDS instead of the ambient light you have relied on for years. Ambient light does not necessarily illuminate the things you need illuminated. Stepping in warm and squishy puppy love does not make for a pleasant evening. Carpet is NOT supposed to feel that way.



    Hogo... looking forward to what Henry says about converting my Clickies to Rotaries... just a reminder Thanks!

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    Yes, updating the software is a pain. It not only has to be reprogrammed, it then has to be re-calibrated.

    So, if you have an executive and want the head reprogrammed with the latest software and also reprogrammed as a Rotary, you must send the light in with the Rotary tail on the light. Lights sent in to be updated or reprogrammed must be sent in whole i.e. with the battery tube and head... complete. If an executive head is sent in on a Rotary tail, you will get it programmed as a Rotary. Send in a Rotary head attached to an Executive tail, and you will get executive programming.

    DO NOT send in two heads, one with a Rotary tail and one without, or any combination that is not an entire working light. DO put a note with it if you want Rotary, Tactical, Executive, or LE programming.
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    Going through all of last years sales (more a pain than reprogramming a head) clips, even the old cheapo executive clip, was a pretty small number in relation to lights sold. Sorry clip guys.

    The reality is, most orders are custom orders from the custom page. I do expect folks are looking for other clip options by other manufacturers, but I doubt even at that it's, well under 25%. I do think it is important, and we are still going to work on a deep carry clip, but it is not a top priority. Actually, would be just as happy if a third-party made such an animal so we wouldn't have to devote time to it... hint, hint... like a tritium bezel.
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