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    Default Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    I haven't seen much on here about the new OR DIP P60 dropins.
    Does anyone on here have one?
    If so would you care to tell how you are getting on with it?
    Beamshots, whilst a pain for you, would be lovely for the rest of us.
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    Default Re: Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    it would be nice to have more information on these.if not beam shots then maybe someone with the knowhow can give an estimate on the lux. while im at it, i think its well past time that OR starts providing lux numbers for an item like this thats supposed to provide more throw. im left wondering "more throw than what?". also actual measured lumens instead of their estimated LED lumens for their high output lights.

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    Default Re: Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    I've asked on the other thread for measurements as well as pmed but no response yet. Also been waiting since dec for these to be back in stock
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    Default Re: Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    Just scored one, would love more info also. Don't see any talk of them, but I love the idea.
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    Default Re: Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    Also ordered one today. The single emitter is said to be a Nichia 219c, so thinking this will be more general purpose than dedicated thrower, but it comes with a narrow clear optic (frosted narrow, frosted wide and frosted medium optics also a primary or add-on option). It will certainly throw more than the other recent Oveready offerings.

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    I got one as well, I'll post some beamshots when it arrives.

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    Default Re: Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    Yay! Thank you.
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    Arrived. Practical, very effective packing protection typical of Oveready. Product exudes quality. Big ole TIR optic (isn't that what they're called). I ordered the ‘narrow clear’. Looks to be maybe 4000K color temperature; quite warm for my taste. Thing is, it's not the yellow or dingy kind of warm. It's frankly quite pretty. Just about perfect for our soil types (we have a lot of bare dirt in our locale) and gives our dogs a rich look for the brown and cream fur. Wish we had some snow around to see if the tint is distracting on it.

    Since it has been handled only about an hour, it's best to mention these are first impressions. I took 5 other flashlights with me tonight: a Zebralight SC62d 5000K (looks more like a cloudy day than a warm subtle sunset that the DIP offers); a $15 mtnelectronics dropin with a 5000K Nichia 219c (less throw than the DIP and blanched, faint green tinge when directly compared with the DIP); an older PFlexPRO 5000K XPL HI dropin with Advanced Programming (surprisingly close in throw with the DIP, very slight green and of course much cooler color temperature when compared directly with the DIP. The newer quad XPL Hi from PFlexPRO is better with no hint of green); a Convoy C8 5000K XPL HI that has a dandy tint (of course a much cooler color temperature that affords more contrast and benefits from a larger reflector. It throws significantly more than the DIP); and finally, a mtnelectronics dedomed XPG2 dropin running 4.5Amps (it throws more than the DIP but our dog's fur has a green cast that is distracting, pretty much obvious even when using that flashlight by itself, at least initially. The eyes will accommodate but the soil here looks, crummy even after prolonged use).

    Who would like this 2018, month of May release of the DIP dropin from Oveready? The tint is very desirable and is for those who consider that a priority. The throw is decent for a P60 size flashlight but other optics can be installed to give it a wider spread. Those who like TIR optics, and those who are ok with minor artifacts related to that system, will like it. Having another Oveready choice is most welcome to many enthusiasts.

    I'll discuss the user interface later, and look forward to hearing from other, distinguished members about this new dropin.

    Thanks again to the Oveready Team.

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    Default Re: Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    Thanks for your summarize and interesting tint comparisions. I'll be lookin for your UI interpretation!

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    Great summary Kitro, as always a pleasure to read, heck i was there with you using it

    Been pondering these since first release, the 219c 4k (i presume)is a nice flavour. It almost or getting close to my fondness of the 219b(little brighter of course). The option of being able to swap out the TIR for flood or throw is also a winner.

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    Default Re: Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    Blimey, I started a real thread!
    Thanks Kit, that's the most info I've read on the DIP so far.

    I saw this thread in my subscriptions and went to the top to see who started it.
    It was me, huh.
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    Default Re: Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    Keeping fingers crossed for xpl hi version
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    Default Re: Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    Quote Originally Posted by KITROBASKIN View Post
    I'll discuss the user interface later, and look forward to hearing from other, distinguished members about this new dropin.

    Thanks again to the Oveready Team.
    when you do can you check if it has mode momery,no memory or hybrid? Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by ven View Post
    Great summary Kitro, as always a pleasure to read, heck i was there with you using it

    Been pondering these since first release, the 219c 4k (i presume)is a nice flavour. It almost or getting close to my fondness of the 219b(little brighter of course). The option of being able to swap out the TIR for flood or throw is also a winner.
    The fact that ven has so many nice P60 hosts must be mentioned.

    This emitter makes so much more red than any other horse in my stall. Our brown dog is so pretty under its light! An older triple Nichia 5000K single mode 3.8Amps (bought from custom lites) P60 dropin usually looks so good with browns when used by itself. When compared with this DIP it looks a kind of pale. Same thing with the BLF-348 single mode AAA flashlight released a couple years ago.

    Oveready sent this unit with 4 mode starting with lowest (guessing it is about 5 to 10 lumens, really don't know but can tell you that PFlexPRO, Emisar, and Zebralight go significantly lower). Tonight I configured for starting on highest, 4 speed. Although the reset is not real fast, when it does, you will always go to first mode, even if you were already on the first mode. So an extra click is required in that situation, to get to the next mode or beyond. There is no 'last mode memory’.

    A scrolling user interface like this seems to work more efficiently for me without last mode memory. More time and more configuration testing is needed to get a feel for this.

    Upon initial installation, a person like me wants to have a reasonably tight fit between dropin and host for better heat transfer, so the string method from PFlexPRO was used to include a very thin, single circumference strip of copper foil. This made for a mild panic event when going about to change the DIP switches. The module must be removed to actuate the switch and it did not want to come out! After some thought and a couple failed attempts, full size forceps did the trick. Definitely did not want to ding up the module or the Oveready host. Hoping no one else jams that up.

    More confirmation tonight that the throw is fairly close visually with a smooth reflector P60 dropin sporting an XPL HI 5000K, with a larger hotspot and brighter spill. Someone accurately measuring with an instrument would no doubt have numbers implying a bigger difference but visually it's not that much.

    Used a (2 1/4 inch reflector) Eagtac XPL Hi thrower sold as 'NW' or 'neutral' tonight as well. It looks kind of lousy yellow compared to this baby...
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    Default Re: Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    Kitro, what would you guess the output on max is, 450? Or something like that?
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    Default Re: Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    Hey Peter,

    I would say a lot more than 450 lumens. It does get hot after a while. Not only is the hotspot fairly large for this amount of throw, the spill is significant. If your host's bezel ring has notches for a tool to extract and install, you may get peripheral reflections from them. I have a Cryos Illumination smooth stainless steel bezel ring on one of their large Z32(?) heads that had no 'facets' of light around the edge of the beam, whereas even a black delrin bezel ring with notches (from Oveready) had faint reflections.

    Maybe after a few minutes it settles down to 450 lumens. Other CPF members versed in Nichia 219c capability can be more precise. The information regarding emitter performance is out there.

    It needs to be mentioned again that you are getting rich reds with (close to) 5000K XPL HI performance in a P60 host. It would be interesting to compare a smooth reflectored 4000K V2 5D XPL HI with this Nichia TIR in real life. And once again, this is by eye, not by numbers from a testing device. Going out on a limb here again, but this dropin would be effective in terrain up to 100 meters+, if we are talking about seeing many objects/animals/people. 50 meters gives good detail to enjoy seeing what is out there. This covers a lot of how many people use flashlights. Thinking this is not talk from wearing 'new flashlight beer-goggles'.

    So far haven't seen any visible step down in output, but have not really pushed it. Seems like Oveready would mention if there was such a thermal or time control. They do state the DIP has a voltage cutoff after becoming dim.

    This is still early in the game as far as evaluation. It is a lot of fun. And the DIP is still available as of today.
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    Default Re: Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    Nice sunrise this morning. Endeavored to video record the DIP compared with a Matchbook Instruments HF and MBI Turbohead, both with warm Nichia emitters. Ended up with rambling 4 minute plus raw footage. Was trying to keep my voice low to not wake up others, the birds were loud, didn't say much of note anyways, other than the video was not representing what I saw that well with the red soil.

    Here's about 13 seconds scanning around with the DIP, with a tree trunk shot at the end showing the tint compared with ambient light.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/2KPZgIE6HwEsQUQO2

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    Default Re: Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    Ok, the brewmaster said he liked the 13 second video, so, here's 55 seconds of the beginning of dawn test comparison. This is not for everyone, kind of boring for most. Shining the flashlight so close to the red soil is not helpful, but you can see the relative brightness of the 4 modes on the DIP. One can see the nature of the User interface and see that high mode is close in brightness to the next mode down. This indicates to me that high mode uses a lot of energy and will sag, but the next mode is plenty bright and can be sustained longer. This is admirable on Oveready's part (one opinion)

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/WhCrQb8jgTvKfA9X7

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    Quote Originally Posted by KITROBASKIN View Post
    Ok, the brewmaster said he liked the 13 second video, so, here's 55 seconds of the beginning of dawn test comparison. This is not for everyone, kind of boring for most. Shining the flashlight so close to the red soil is not helpful, but you can see the relative brightness of the 4 modes on the DIP. One can see the nature of the User interface and see that high mode is close in brightness to the next mode down. This indicates to me that high mode uses a lot of energy and will sag, but the next mode is plenty bright and can be sustained longer. This is admirable on Oveready's part (one opinion)

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    Default Re: Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    Nice vid Kit. The earth really is red, amazing.
    I like the idea of the medium being almost as bright as high but more efficient. That's something that HDS And the Wasp teach you when you can drop down a step from high and gain so much in runtime.
    I shall have to get one before they sell out. Then I'll have to get another P60 host.
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    Default Re: Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    Thanks sir.
    Oveready says next mode down from 100% is 30%, but it sure looks like 50% to me, Oh well.

    Ran at 100% for a couple minutes last night, it got really hot.

    Used by itself on night walks, the color temperature/tint is pleasing even for a 5000K person like myself. It's funny because of how the eye/brain accomodates.

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    Anyone have an idea of the Lux rating on these? I’m trying to decide between a Malkoff hound dog 18650 and one of these and a host. Comparable throw?
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    Hound dog will clean its clock. Compare the size of the reflectors. This current DIP is not really a dedicated thrower. It is a general purpose with good reach and a pleasing tint for those who like 4000K. It would be nice if Oveready offered a redomed XPG2 dropin with a good tint. That would be a thrower in my opinion, though still not enough for some. Maybe they can find some other emitter with a good quality of light. Our terrain where we live does better with a minimum Emisar D1s or Convoy C8 each with XPL HI.

    Curious about other members not giving feedback. Perhaps they want to spend more time with it before commenting.

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    Here's the best I could do for beamshots. I'm away for training right now so my hotel room is all I have.

    https://youtu.be/6fmOtlG0b_Y

    Oveready DIP - Clear Narrow - 219C - High


    Oveready BOSS - Clear Narrow - XPL HI - Level 28


    Exposure is locked for both pictures.

    In summary... I love it. I'm using a Oveready Z70 host with the deep carry clip tailcap and it's really a home run.

    The beam pattern is excellent. It has a very defined hot spot with two distinct levels of spill. The first area of spill directly around the hot spot has a slightly square shape and is approximately twice the size of the hot spot. The second area of spill is very large, circular and provides enough light to ALMOST illuminate things in your periphery.

    The frosted narrow optic cleans up the spill and makes the hot spot slightly larger and less defined. If you really want throw the clear narrow works well. If you're a white wall hunter you'll love the frosted narrow optic.

    I've noticed a slight delay from when you activate the tailcap switch to when the light actually turns on. In use this is not at all noticable or a hindrance, just an observation I made.

    One thing I would like to see is a version of this dropin made for hard-use. Looking at the backside of the dropin does not scream durability like the rest of Oveready's products but I highly doubt I'll have any issues with it. And if I do, I don't think there is a company out there with better customer service
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    Default Re: Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    No real feedback beyond what's been posted. Mine went straight into mg Oveready Fire C2, as a two mode. Minor artifacts around the periphary as has been noted with the narrow clear optic, and it's plenty bright on high. Nice tint with the 219c, it's a nice addition to the stable. 👍
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    Default Re: Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    Where does this fit in to your lights? (Thrower,general use) Does it replace anything?

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    For me, general use. Good out to 100 yds with nice spill for walking up close. I haven't done a runtime test yet. It may displace my Elzetta Bravo AVS as a dedicated truck light, not sure yet. I like the idea of being able to change up the mode settings manually on the fly. Not a thrower per se, but it gets out there. I'm slowly rebuilding a collection, so nothing is replacing anything at the moment. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by scout24 View Post
    For me, general use. Good out to 100 yds with nice spill for walking up close. I haven't done a runtime test yet. It may displace my Elzetta Bravo AVS as a dedicated truck light, not sure yet. I like the idea of being able to change up the mode settings manually on the fly. Not a thrower per se, but it gets out there. I'm slowly rebuilding a collection, so nothing is replacing anything at the moment. .
    How does the dip's beam compare to that of the elzetta avs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Dan View Post
    How does the dip's beam compare to that of the elzetta avs?
    I only owned an Elzetta AVS light for a few days but I think they are similar. The AVS may have a little tighter and cleaner beam.

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    Default Re: Oveready DIP P60 8 Mode Group Dropin

    Quote Originally Posted by scout24 View Post
    For me, general use. Good out to 100 yds with nice spill for walking up close. I haven't done a runtime test yet. It may displace my Elzetta Bravo AVS as a dedicated truck light, not sure yet. I like the idea of being able to change up the mode settings manually on the fly. Not a thrower per se, but it gets out there. I'm slowly rebuilding a collection, so nothing is replacing anything at the moment. .
    Thanks- I am looking for somewhat of a thrower to supplement my M61N mostly for fun.

    I am debating between this, an M61T or a convoy c8 from mountain electronics. I like the optics options, the color and the ability to switch mode groups on the DIP and I have an empty P60 host...

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