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    I recently acquired another Pentagon 6 volt light with a 3 watt LED and thought "wow, folks must have really been excited when that 100 lumen bar was reached".

    I think these were rated at around 110 lumens. The thing I found so exciting beyond the fact that they seem brighter than the numbers suggest, but how neutral the beam was on the Luxeon'd version. Now the other two are on the cool side, yet no blue, no green, no pink, or hint of anything other than a mid-daylight mimic-ing output.

    The 3 amigos


    Looks red to these eyes


    Big ole hotspot, decent spill


    Good throw too, all things considered.

    The anodizing was super, with a nice dull finish. Glass lens. Gold plated parts. Near silent clicky. Double o-rings.


    A fine addition to the 6 volt dailys.


    So, have you got a blast from the past? One that even by todays standards still keeps up?
    Let's see 'em!!
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    I bought my daughter one of the Pentagon lights when she was stationed on the carrier USS Harry S Truman. It was the right-angled one. I don't know if she still has it or not, but she said it was very useful while she was on the ship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    my-o-my! those anodizing are sick!!! love'em!
    changing sigline ...

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    Forgot to add that they run fine off a protected 17650.
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    I still have my trusty Nitecore P36 I bought about two or three years ago. Same batteries still (Simon 18650s) and going strong. Almost the same size as a two D-cell flashlight but with 2000 lumens. 10 lumen levels on hand makes it nice. A combo of flooder and thrower makes it versatile.

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    Those old Pentagon lights were fairly neat. I remember comparing them to the metal Surefire's and being drawn to the lower price with similar features, including the hard anodizing. I never did buy one though.

    As for the oldies I don't think I have luxeon lights anymore. I do still use a Surefire U2 with the Seoul P4 as my bedside table light. It's low is great for navigating around a dark house. Most of my others are newer than the past ten years, kinda wish I had kept a few of the classics. I miss the Surefire's the most, the L1's, L4 and the lux V U2 were great.

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    Did someone say L-series ? ...

    ... is the archimedes peak

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    Quote Originally Posted by archimedes View Post
    Did someone say L-series ? ...

    Ouch! Rub it in.

    Nice collection though. I let a lot of older Surefire's slip through my hands chasing brighter is better. I've tried not to do that anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WDR65 View Post
    ....Nice collection....
    Thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by archimedes View Post
    Did someone say L-series ? ...

    Love those water bottle cap diffusers. I still got my G2 led

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    Excellent... five milkys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jabe1 View Post
    Excellent... five milkys!
    In that photo, yes ...
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    glad to see Im not the only one that misses OD anodizing. every darn light today is shiny black. I cant stand it. what is the big deal with OD anodizing and the industry wide decision to go black for everything.

    Those Pentagons were great lights that rivaled Surefire at the time

    I long for the old days of Olive Drab

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    Color match can be very challenging with "natural" HA
    ... is the archimedes peak

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    Love it mr fixer, those look super sweeeeeet!

    Damn archi, you have collections of collections! You certainly have an amazing family going, that shorter smooth body(black tail cap). Which is that? Like a shorty z2 style.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warmcopper123 View Post
    glad to see Im not the only one that misses OD anodizing. every darn light today is shiny black. I cant stand it. what is the big deal with OD anodizing and the industry wide decision to go black for everything.

    Those Pentagons were great lights that rivaled Surefire at the time

    I long for the old days of Olive Drab
    At least Elzetta does a dull black finish. I like OD too. Chalky looking olive drab.... no shine please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ven View Post
    ....
    Damn archi, you have collections of collections! You certainly have an amazing family going, that shorter smooth body(black tail cap). Which is that? Like a shorty z2 style.............
    Good eye, my friend, that is a rarity indeed

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    I actually like mismatched OD Anno

    Love the old shinier ARC and Longbow style and the original SF stuff even original Novatac and HDS matte or shiny I love OD Anno .I guess im a weirdo but I think it imparts some increased value perception to me.Maybe the military look of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warmcopper123 View Post
    I actually like mismatched OD Anno

    Love the old shinier ARC and Longbow style and the original SF stuff even original Novatac and HDS matte or shiny I love OD Anno ....
    LongBow ... now that is a true "blast from the past" ... and was one I always wanted, but slipped through my collection
    ... is the archimedes peak

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    Quote Originally Posted by archimedes View Post
    Good eye, my friend, that is a rarity indeed

    A lego ... SF KL1(g3) + Aleph CR2 + Aleph McE2S Standard (for two level output)
    Awesome, it looks super cool. I do love that slim body type, like the z2 and the OR hosts of late. Super comfy in hand as well.................

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    Here's a couple more early LED retina scorchers:


    Pelican's M6 2390 and Streamlight TL2 LED (gen 2)

    The Pelican reportedly used a CREE back then and according to Amazon first became available back in 2003. It touted the words "3 watt" LED, which back then meant brighter than your dads maglite. Frankly had I known an LED could put out 177 lumens at that time my incan minimag woulda been shelved long before it was. Pure white throwey beam, this must've wow'd a few folks back then. Near silent clicky with a lock out feature allows it to be used as a twisty, which back then may have been a good idea thanks to Pelican's less than rock solid proprietary clickys. Nice hard coating on these were a shine free black or olive drab. Still available at Pelicans site or other sources, yet still go for over $100 new. I lucked up and found the like new pictured one for less than $50 at the bay.

    The Streamlight TL2 LED started out pretty dim, but the 2nd gen one touted 9000+ candella at 160 lumens. It's still one of my favorites. Streamlight was secretive about which LED's they used, but CPFr's knew the deal. A copy paper white beam could throw a good long ways from the light that wasn't much bigger than an E. Again, the lockout feature allowed it to be a twisty or an easy press to on was available. The coating was more of a durable paint job so using these meant a scar'd outside before long. According (again) to Amazon these were available in 2001. Don't know if that was the gen 1 because often times Amazon blends information for various models of things.

    Both were from the days before made in China was on the packaging, yet the TL2 was about 1/2 the price of SureFire lights. A similar version called the Nite Fighter had a more military application but parts inside were virtually the same.

    Both of these are user serviceable but good luck finding parts. They both had lifetime no bs warranties too. I've never had to redeem warranties from either company but it's likely they'd just send you an updated Asian made model.
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    very nice mr fixer, something for sure about those classic lights(when flashlights looked like flashlights). I am going to add a streamlight to my little family at some point, just finalising which! But thats the fun ..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by ven View Post
    I am going to add a streamlight to my little family at some point, just finalising which! But thats the fun ..........
    I think you'll find any with the HL monicker or newer more to your liking in use. The early stuff were all about the throw. As they updated models they built more dispersed beams into them.
    Strion LED were real nice and had a nice overall beam. Think M61 beam. They were also more nuetral tinted. Maybe 6000 kelvin versus the blinding white of the TL2/Nite Fighter lights.

    With an all metal flat top 18650 and a spring stretch the Strion can work. There is a wide spring and a narrow spring at the light end. The Strion battery is metal at the top.

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    Cool, thanks for info........................will have to look at the options. Not got a clue!

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    Here's a love 'em or hate 'em type addition:
    The SureFire A2 Aviator and R60 bulb module;


    The A2 was a novel approach to a low/high experience and the R60 was made for the rechargeable lights of the time.

    The A2 has 3 LED's in a triangle for low and a Christmas tree looking light bulb for high. The one pictured has a white LED array that put out a blue fringed Mickey Mouse ear looking beam when aimed at a wall. Yet for navigating in real world use the output was real nice, especially for the era when they were built. Pressing lightly on the tailcap gives a low beam. Pressing a bit further into the light activates the light bulb that suddenly lights up the joint. Twisting the tailcap allows whichever setting to remain turned on.
    Meant for use by pilots while improving on previous pilot oriented flashlights from the past, this one allowed pilots to actually inspect the fuselage thanks to a much brighter output from the 6 volts instead of a #224 fired by a pair of AA's. (Just Rite had the market cornered prior to the A2)
    It also had varying color LED's available where the previous designs only had a red filter.


    2 generations of Just Rite
    The green clad one was from the 40's and featured a sliding on/off switch. The chrome one was a Vietnam era version that featured a twist on/off tailcap. Both featured a pivoting plastic filter that made it into a red output cockpit light.
    The SureFire could be had in red, or green or other colors.
    CPFr's figured out ways to improve the LED output and later SureFire had LED versions to replace the lightbulb version.

    The R60 was designed around more runtime from early rechargeables by SureFire that were about the size of 3.5 CR123's in series. Instead of an hour of direct drive output from a P60, officers could get about an hour and a half from an R60. Instead of 65 lumens from a P60 they got 50 lumens that appeared very similar. The R60 was a tighter spot with less spill so at a distance the beam was very similar. There was a light called the 6R that used the R60 that was a lot longer than the 6P. According to lore the 6R was not a big seller back then like the 6P.

    So even though the beam of the A2 was not a big hit, nor was the big ole 6R, they spawned a whole set of ideas we now see throughout the industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    The A2 was a novel approach to a low/high experience...

    So even though the beam of the A2 was not a big hit... they spawned a whole set of ideas we now see throughout the industry.
    With its ingenious UI and a slim form factor, this little dual output gadget was revolutionary. The technology has since evolved, but I see the DNA of the A2 Aviator in every one of today's multi-mode, one inch diameter, pocket clipped lights.

    I see you've swapped out the clip on this one. Dig it.
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    The one I got from you MF is still my user. I recently picked up the pictured one with the dual clip for the clip and still working oem bulb. A fellow had bought it to mod and changed his mind. If I understand correctly he bought it used, opened the package, looked at the light briefly and put it up for sale. I bought it like 12 minutes later. lol.

    The A2 was definitely a game changer, and like you said the DNA shows up often.
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    How about a Nuwai Q-III? These were highly regarded when they first came out. I wasn't willing to pay the asking price then, but I later snatched up a few when they went on clearance. They were very much participants in the Luxeon lottery. I remember out of the five I bought two had a cat piss green LED, a couple were alien blue-ish, and the last had a nice neutral tint. I kept the neutral for myself, gave my wife and daughter one each, and stashed the others around the house. Probably shouldn't have done that, I stashed them so well I no longer remember where they are.



    Still a decent light, though runtime is a bit wanting.

    The 6PL perfectly demonstrates why I lament the demise of SureFire lego. It's dated now like the Nuwai. No matter, a simple swap of the P60L for a Malkoff M61NL and it's back to being a top notch performer. This light is future-proof.

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    I hear ya on the "not paying that much" part. But with patience nice second hand examples can be found for a deal. Hopefully your CRS will subside long enough to let you remember where the others went.

    The 6PL is/was a goody. One of the first to use the ever popular thermal step down feature. I lucked up and found a G2L a while ago, but kept it stock. 85 wonderful blumens and all.
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    I found a G2L for my daughter recently. She's a Girl Scout now, so she needs a good light. I figure the yellow is a good choice, I don't think that many other kids will be running around carrying this discontinued model in that color. Should make it easy to spot and identify.



    Like yours this light was kept stock. She's not a flashaholic, so it'll do.

    The E2D is hers too. Gonna drop a Lumens Factory LED module in it. Going to give it to her in a few years and instruct her to carry and use it so as to discourage handsy young men.

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