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    I'm new to the forum and have read much over the past weeks. My challenge is better understanding which battery chemistry may be best suited for an infrequently used flashlight; however, the light must work reliably every time I need it with no action on my part other than to turn it on. I've read Lion batteries tend not to do well if fully charged and allowed to sit unused for prolonged periods. NiMH batteries might need to be charged (topped off?) right before use; is this true for Low Self Discharge NiMH as well? I don't want to risk leakage from alkaline batteries. How do primary Lithium batteries handle a full charge for 6-12 months of no use? Better than LSD NiMH? Although not as environmentally responsible, infrequent use appears to favor primary batteries over the investment needed for rechargeable batteries and its very delayed break-even point, in my case. Other considerations? Thanks very much.

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    Hello and welcome to CPF

    Your post above has been approved, but the thread was moved to the Batteries subforum

    And, yes, you are describing a typical situation for which lithium primary is optimized.
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    Yes, if the capacity is suitable, a Primary Lithium battery has a very long shelf life, be sure to put them in a light with no parasitic drain (no electronic switches or status lights).

    A rechargeable Li-Ion battery actually has pretty good shelf life also, and leaving them charged to some level may not be that significant and issue in your situation, and quality NiMH LSD cells have low drain.

    To narrow it down; Just how infrequent is "infrequent"? When you do use it, for how long do you expect to use it for?

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    Primary lithium batteries can comfortably rest for roughly a decade of non-use with temperatures varying from -40 to 140 degrees F, they'll shrug off a few months in a drawer. If we're only talking ~ a year of storage, any of the battery types mentioned will work without issue.

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    You've gotten good advice about primary lithium, li-ion, and low self discharge (LSD) NiMH cells. Under no circumstances use alkaline or "heavy duty" cells unless you want to find a solid glob of corroded junk in your flashlight some day. On the flashlights I use only very occasionally, I unscrew the end cap until the light won't turn on, to guarantee that there's no parasitic drain. If anyone else might need to use the light, I tape a note to it warning that the cap must be screwed down before use. Usually lights having a switch that has a solid click actually disconnect the power so unscrewing the cap isn't necessary, but it's good to be on the safe side if you're not able to verify it.

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    AA or AAA with Energizer Lithium Ultra batteries installed... lockout/ slightly unscrew battery tube/ tail cap if there's any question of there being any parasitic drain from electronic switches/ micro controller in the light.
    Then you should have a light on hand with a reliable 20 year or so battery installed and ready to go, just tighten the threads and turn it on.
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    I try to use rechargeable cells wherever practical, so all the lights around the house use Eneloop/NiMH fuel, or 16340 Lithium Ion depending on form factor. For the most part, these house lights are used frequently for short duration, and sheer redundancy means that no single light is critical. Some of these house lights - the ones located in out of the way places like the basement or garage - may sit for more than a year without use or recharging, and I think LSD NiMH does fine for that use case.

    For lights kept in the cars, I use Energizer L91/92 and CR123A primary cells. 10-year shelf life and performance in temperature extremes makes those chemistries a logical choice ... use is infrequent, but reliability is critical.

    I also keep a small stash of Energizer L91/92 and CR123A primary cells in the house for emergencies such as power outages, etc. However, thatís more of a flashaholic/geek thing than a practical concern... only in an extreme disaster situation could I burn through all the rechargeable cells in the house before having the option to recharge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by not pro View Post
    I'm new to the forum and have read much over the past weeks. My challenge is better understanding which battery chemistry may be best suited for an infrequently used flashlight; however, the light must work reliably every time I need it with no action on my part other than to turn it on. I've read Lion batteries tend not to do well if fully charged and allowed to sit unused for prolonged periods. NiMH batteries might need to be charged (topped off?) right before use; is this true for Low Self Discharge NiMH as well? I don't want to risk leakage from alkaline batteries. How do primary Lithium batteries handle a full charge for 6-12 months of no use? Better than LSD NiMH? Although not as environmentally responsible, infrequent use appears to favor primary batteries over the investment needed for rechargeable batteries and its very delayed break-even point, in my case. Other considerations? Thanks very much.
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    Athough lithium primary cells may have their advantages in extreme situations (like extreme temperatures and MANY YEARS netween uses), LSD NiMH is generally a better choice for most people. Unlike lithium primary, it offers rechargeabiloty (and, therefore, low operating costs) as well as better high current performance. You also donít have to worry about buying lithium primary cells - you can simply recharge. Furthermore, unlike Li-Ion, LSD NiMH batteries can be stored at full charge for long periods of time without deterioration. And flashlights that can use NiMH batteries can also use lithium primary batteries if the situation calls for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StorminMatt View Post
    Athough lithium primary cells may have their advantages in extreme situations (like extreme temperatures and MANY YEARS netween uses), LSD NiMH is generally a better choice for most people. Unlike lithium primary, it offers rechargeabiloty (and, therefore, low operating costs) as well as better high current performance. You also donít have to worry about buying lithium primary cells - you can simply recharge. Furthermore, unlike Li-Ion, LSD NiMH batteries can be stored at full charge for long periods of time without deterioration. And flashlights that can use NiMH batteries can also use lithium primary batteries if the situation calls for it.
    Yup, Eneloops are definitely my recommendation for seldom-used lights. Or anything that takes alkalines, and you don't want leaks. Eneloops stand up to heat and cold very well, even if you're using them for a car glovebox flashlight. For a car light, I'd charge them up once a year, just to be sure. For around the house, I'd top them up every 3 years.

    Lithium-ion would be my next choice, but I'd only charge them up to 4.0v, so they don't degrade very fast.

    Lithium-primaries are expensive, and as mentioned, are really only required if you need to use them in extreme cold (like -40 to -20C).

    Alkalines are my last choice, for anything. Use them in stuff you hate.

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