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    Am I missing something or do we have way fewer posts than normal per unit time throughout the forum. It is very fast now so where is everyone?

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    Dying on the vine. So sad to watch. This site should either close for good or be handed off to someone who cares. Ban me, I don't care.
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    Woah! That was....

    Folks say the forum platform as a whole is losing ground to other insta-chat sources. And largely they are correct.

    As the lighting industry evolved from light bulbs to LED, and now that battery tech has been going the rechargeable path for a while... the interest to the hobbyists like those at CPF is likely waining some too. Geeks need to tweak stuff.

    Lumen wars has taken its toll on those wanting to build their own battery powered sunshine with one click settings at Amazon.

    CPF is doing ok.
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    Moved to Cafe for general discussion.

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    The insta-chat platform is great for those instant gratification, what's shiny right now folks... it's all surface, today's stuff, no substance. A candy bar, where the forum platform is a full sit-down dinner. I peruse occasionally, but you can keep it.
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    I'd love to see the actual traffic statistics. I think posting count is down but I am betting visitor activity is still quite high.

    Here are my thoughts:

    • Trends reducing activity-
      • A lot of the banter is now in facebook groups though those are fragmented. (I hate the "Hi group xxx, come check out my group yyy" cross-promoting.) CPF has a fb group but few people post on the fb group and in the forum; it tends to be either/or.
      • There's a competing forum which will go unnamed; there was once just CPF to turn to but posters are now split between two forums and facebook. Each has their own rules and style; some people are more compatible with one than the others.
      • Some of the biggest contributors from early on have expired/moved along. (Consider the "where have all the old-timers gone" thread.)
      • Google and general information online (especially thanks to vaping) has reduced the number of posts/questions, especially of "unnecessary" basic around things like batteries.

    • Current events reducing activity- temporarily/seasonally-
      • Server slowness (I believe now resolved) caused frustration with some users.
      • In the US, flashlight use is much heavier in the warmer months. We're just coming out of winter now.
      • I don't recall any new/exciting LED announcements in the last few months. XHP70 is the last one that comes to mind. Newly released lights are incremental improvements, no big jumps or revolutionary changes very recently.

    • But it's still going strong!-
      • I post the reviews I do in both forums. Reviews on CPF by far get more views. This tells me that lurker presence is much higher on CPF.
      • Google seems to favor CPF; top search results quite often link to CPF above other places.
      • FB's mess of posts and threads, not organized in any way, will never replace well-structured forums. Good luck finding a discussion on fb about a certain light or topic a week or year later... very frustrating.

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    It's Earth Day. Everyone is conserving energy by not posting.

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    When clicking on “Forum” and scrolling to the bottom you can see “What's Going On” right below the handy “Mark Forums Read”. There you can find “Currently Active Users” which shows how many members and guests are online. It would be interesting to get confirmation regarding how those numbers are determined; wondering if it is an average spread out over a certain block of time. Typically in the past the total was over twelve hundred with occasional about eighteen hundred. There has been a question if that number included 'bots' or other machine-generated views. Post server transfer, the number hovers in the eight hundreds most times I look, with members in the eighties when members were usually around a hundred or a little above in the past.

    Although posting frequency and thread-making numbers are not evident, just by regularly visiting our beloved forum, it is clear those numbers are down but not drastically so, considering the overall climate of flashlight interest. Nitecore continues their new releases, and there are some others, but not a whole lot of new stuff from Oveready, Skylumen, Zebralight, HDS, Surefire, Okluma, Prometheus, Foursevens, McGizmo, Data, Peak, Lumintop, Eagtac, Fenix, going on right now. Spring should pick up, but thinking some users are not looking to CPF presently because the downtime server switch got them off the habit of visiting.

    Other than some very useful links offered by members here, going to the 'other forum' has been a lackluster and/or trivial-downer experience for me. It would be interesting to hear from an informed member regarding what is going on over there (realizing that is technically against this forum's rules and certainly not interested in starting a bicker-fest)

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    I'm a member of both forums for one reason; to learn.
    What's going on at the other forum is a lot of crybabying because someone got their little feelies hurt.

    I can understand this because I was in the military and got my ass kicked verbally many times.
    It's a mind thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bla2000 View Post
    It's Earth Day. Everyone is conserving energy by not posting.
    Lol.

    I watched the numbers drop at my favorite car forum for a while. As long time members faded away the newcomers became less than the folks leaving. I say leaving but it wasn't that they left, they just didn't post much anymore then eventually due to lack of inovation they just stopped coming back.

    Watching the numbers at the bottom of the forum page here I see the same thing happening. Less members and less visitors.

    Like my favorite car forum, there was a viable competitor that shared some members time and had some members who preferred the style of that other one. Yet that one also had a steep decline in participation. Now they are centered around a model of car no longer made but was once very popular. In comparison it would be like a Maglite forum.... perhaps a SureFire 6P forum where in our case inovations for the P60 platform is waning.

    I see the amount of interest in flashlight technology decreasing in general. Now CPF has sections for camping, knives, other lighting technologies and general discussions. To me CPF is a well run place with interesting topics galore. Yet the trend in general is falling away from forums.

    Also it's like what them great is what also helps the decline. The climate of discussions on facebook etc has turned into free-for-all Jerry Springer episodes so keeping things orderly is like watching a NASCAR race for the crashes only thanks to technology they don't crash anymore.... and viewership/ticket sales reflect that. Those who used to enjoy the rush of heated discussions get their fix somewhere else now. To me that is a good thing. I stayed with this forum because of the order... because threads stay on topic (in general).

    I think the numbers will decline over time, but not because CPF is doing anything wrong. To me it's social trends and the industry leading to the numbers drop. CPF will be around for a long time provided the staff and owner don't lose interest. When the staff and owner lost interest in my favorite car forum, it soon fell into a spam fest and the remaining members soon stopped hanging around.

    Some blame it on the photobucket heist too. That certainly didn't help things.
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    If, like me, you are using the "What's New" button to see what's happening you have apotted that it hasn't been functioning properly since the server swap.
    It only shows the new threads that have been posted, whereas before it updated with every new post. This does give the impression that things are a bit lackluster here.
    Interesting that flashlight usage in the States goes up in the warmer months.
    Is that'cos of hunting? I tend to mothball a few lights in the Summer. There's nothing quite so frustrating as getting a new light when there's very little darkness to play in.
    Also, I wanted to endorse the fact that this place is so well run. As for as Forums and stuff, this is all I do, and I have to say I really don't like the look of the other stuff out there, thanks.
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    PK once told me Pete, that after Easter flashlight sales at SureFire went flat until Labor Day. I see that at Milepost as well.
    Yet... flashlight use would seem to go up during the warmer months. So I figured sales would go up too.

    Good point about the "whatz new" button. But when I first arrived useage was 1500 users at any given time with 110-150 members and the rest guests... (some would say a large number of guests are actually bots). When all of those "slow" threads began it was down to about 1000 at any given time with 95-125 members.
    This morning when I saw this thread it was less than 700 using it and 80-something members (currently 850 users, 95 members)
    Btw the record was in 2016 when over 5000 users were using CPF.
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    Sales go up when there's talk of hurricanes and/or tornadoes.

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    I may say about myself. There is no new posts and search function any more, so, when I cannot watch immediate activity or search I say: “Whatever...” and switch to another activity.

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    Still coming back here to see what is new coming out from everyone every chance I get.

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    I no longer read and post as much since the search and new posts functionality no longer is present.

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    Don't forget that Google is still there for specific thread searches; when I went to post about Art Bell's death, I had no idea when the last post was in the relevant thread or what section it was even in - I typed "candlepowerforums art bell" in Google, boom, the first result was the thread.

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    I may not post often but my interest in flashlights and this forum is amortized over more than a decade with varying interests, hobbies, and wallet thicknesses all coming into play. I hope the "Virtual Bulletin Board"/"Forum" format never dies, and I prize the structure and massive wealth of knowledge this forum is renown for.

    I think part of the decline we are seeing is that the "Amazon-ifi-cation" of lights has made anybody's dollar go further in pure lumens, but Amazon and e-Bay will never replace the talents of skilled modders and the very particular type of knowledge they bring to the table.

    Sometimes I begin a project and then come back to it six months or a year or three years later, and this site and those threads are still here waiting for me.

    There is information here nowhere else to be found on the Internet, and the order and general "cleanliness" of things makes it a great place to learn, or even, like today, to pay a visit and then go about other things in one's life. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEDAdd1ct View Post
    I think part of the decline we are seeing is that the "Amazon-ifi-cation" of lights has made anybody's dollar go further in pure lumens
    Pretty sure that has more to do with Moore's Law than Bezos' prices..

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    Nice, nice, nice to see the search bar again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEDAdd1ct View Post
    I think part of the decline we are seeing is that the "Amazon-ifi-cation" of lights has made anybody's dollar go further in pure lumens, but Amazon and e-Bay will never replace the talents of skilled modders and the very particular type of knowledge they bring to the table.
    Eh, this has been going on for nearly 15 years. I first noticed it when Mag-Lite gave up their previously-exclusive half-aisle at Target over the course of a few years: LED went from fiddly angry-blue showerhead things to powerhouses rivaling incandescent. It did not take long for the commentary on CPF to drop off. All of this generally follows the technology adoption curve: CPF represented the innovators and early adopters; by the time that early and late majority rolled around it was all routine and thus not as interesting as it was when it was all just-within-reach possibility that took unusual special effort to make happen.

    It wasn't too long after this that the custom makers and modders started feeling the squeeze and largely moved on to niches that the market wasn't covering - exotic materials, upping their design game, and generally doing much more than the now less-than-novel concept of putting a LED into an incandescent flashlight body.

    The flashlight that a CPF'er typically buys is still different than the average person - better design, better performance, and typically more expensive.
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    ^^ Well put!!!
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    IMHO, the challenges of posting photos and photo bucket represent an opportunity.

    I don't have time to goof around finding a host, figuring it out, and then linking.

    If there was a relatively easy and inexpensive way (say $5 / month) that I could post (some) photos right into the forum, hosted by cpf that could make it more interesting. I am not quite sure how to tie the concept of "no longer paying - no longer showing the photos" but maybe there is a way.

    I have other hobby and business interests that are sort of historically related to my flash light hobby, but now really more emergency power / solar oriented. If there was a good way to do some professional marketing related to those on CPF that could be interesting, but honestly with the declining use, it is tougher to justify and a bit harder to implement non flash light related products.

    As an example, I hosted a CPF + conversion van get together - only 2-3 people from CPF even replied to the thread, and I think one person from CPF showed up to a party with free food and drinks. 10 years ago we would have gotten a house full.
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    As a frequent poster turned ghost, what Bdm82 said about less new stuff really rings true. At one point I checked back literally months after my last visit, and I saw that nothing really changed in the flashlight world- incremental changes at most. Similar lights available, similar questions, and when you feel like you have already spoken your piece on a topic it gets harder to bring yourself to make a meaningful post.

    The mainstream acceptance of social media and non-forum communications for niche groups like Reddit and Discord groups also probably has increased competition, drawing some users away. That isn't intrinsically bad, but it does lead to slower posting.

    I don't think CPF would die so easily. As long as there are modders, supporters, new people who don't know NiMH from INR, etc. it will probably keep going. Demand might slow, but there is still demand.

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    I think its a combination of things. New stuff, but all quite similar in therms of caliber for flashaholics and cheapy stuff for those looking for anything that emits light.
    Could it be a sign that people are actually using the search function?

    On other forums, there is a constant barrage of the same questions over and over again from people that don't care to search. As a result, the forum is quite diluted of any deeper knowledge and quite boring to view.

    I'd rather have it the way it is here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryN View Post
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    If there was a relatively easy and inexpensive way (say $5 / month) that I could post (some) photos right into the forum, hosted by cpf that could make it more interesting. I am not quite sure how to tie the concept of "no longer paying - no longer showing the photos" but maybe there is a way.
    There is! It's called a "Supporter Badge" -

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    When things slow down...

    ...that's when I'm back on the scene (after years away!)

    And BTW, where are my RED SHOES?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyeTotum View Post
    And BTW, where are my RED SHOES
    LOL, you are an early member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullzeyebill View Post
    LOL, you are an early member.

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    Good to see you're still here!

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