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    Well Gene has done it again.

    The body guard is another name by a stellar light making outfit that like many other products will be another standards setter.

    Now with that said, in another thread I used the term "fake lumens". I want to clarify that Gene touted the front end as "the body guard" and that was that. No more, no less. We CPFr's took it from there based on a brief description on the product page. So I do not want to give the impression I am saying Gene is touting fake lumens. But I'd also like to say that folks who call the bodyguard head "a 900 lumen" engine are doing Mr. Malkoff a dis-service.

    Now let the discussion(s) begin.
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    Fake news appears everywhere nowadays.. So, what else is new brother Byk?

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    Well I was going to edit my first post with some further input, but fake news.... ugh!!

    The bodyguard. It seems that Gene has begun offering a new product for well prepared individuals who would likely use it for an added protection. Perhaps as a first defense at times.

    It is an engine designed to run from 3 configurations of fuel source. Each touting it's own set of numbers that begin with a brief blast of a turbo-like output that quickly steps down to a still pretty potent output. "HALT.... IN THE NAME OF THE LAW" type of lighting tool.

    Knowing Gene, the numbers cited are conservative so that even though certain various conditions each one does at least what was claimed.

    The bodyguard will be akin to an Elzetta Alpha only that it will likely be largely misunderstood at first as a small niche will say "bravo, finally my perfect light" where others may say "what's the big deal".

    I said before "I won't buy one"... but after mulling it around my brain for a day I can see one in my future.
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    Unless you're dead set on the 1xCR123 format, I don't see what advantage this light has over the E2 Super. Perhaps it's about the tail cap? Still, you could run the E2 Super head on a SF E2e with a 16650 and have the exposed tail cap.

    Perhaps one of the tactical operators among us will correct my oversight?
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    Default Re: Malkoff Bodyguard

    Just repeating myself from the Malkoff Junkie thread.


    The bodyguard was ordered by a department that had specific requirements for the light.

    Gene built the light to meet their specific requirements and is also offering it to the public.

    I'm guessing that it must have been a substantial order for Gene to go to the trouble of developing it for them.

    This is what Gene said:

    'They were looking for something small enough for carry in a suit breast pocket and bright enough for close range temporary blinding and identification. They also wanted it to come on in high every time (no exceptions). They knew that battery life and over heating would be an issue. I suggested the timing idea. It was decided that if implemented properly, this could be a novel solution.'

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    When Gene details the output he says this...

    Summary of Output:

    CR123 (3 volts) ------ 450 lumens Momentary, 375 lumens 10 sec., 150 lumens
    IMR 16340 ------ 600 lumens Momentary, 550 lumens 10 sec., 150 lumens

    Does momentary mean the millisecond when it is switched on then 10 seconds of the High output?
    Also, no mention of LVP. Hopefully it's there, as Gene is recommending IMR and the runtime seems limited.

    A new light from Malkoff is always an exciting prospect.
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    The concept is very similar to the Haley Strategic D3FT Combat light, which is produced by Surefire.


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    Quote Originally Posted by peter yetman View Post
    Does momentary mean the millisecond when it is switched on then 10 seconds of the High output?
    Also, no mention of LVP. Hopefully it's there, as Gene is recommending IMR and the runtime seems limited.
    I'll have the Bodyguard (head only) in-hand later today so I will update then. I will be running it in a 2-CR123 MDC body with a KeepPower 16650 2500 mah protected cell, which has a maximum discharge rate of 2C, which easily covers the 3-amp minimum recommendation. I also have a 1-CR123 body I will try with an IMR 16340 700 mah cell.

    My guess is there's no LVP since the head was most likely designed for use with primary cells (I doubt any LE agency would be setting up their officers with chargers and IMR cells).

    In terms of turndown, I doubt I will be able to detect when it steps down from 600 lumens to 550, but most certainly when it drops to 150 lumens after 10 seconds. I'm no "tactical operator" but the programming makes perfect sense for self defense (or suspect apprehension) applications where the light is typically only used in short bursts.

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    The product page for the Body Guard "head only" says that battery voltage must be checked often to avoid damage to the cell. I take it this means the light does not have low voltage protection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Modernflame View Post
    Unless you're dead set on the 1xCR123 format, I don't see what advantage this light has over the E2 Super. Perhaps it's about the tail cap? Still, you could run the E2 Super head on a SF E2e with a 16650 and have the exposed tail cap.

    Perhaps one of the tactical operators among us will correct my oversight?
    I am not just not dead set on the 1x123 format but actually against it. 2x123 is not that much bigger but gives so many more options.

    You can run 18650, or any other 65mm cell in any diameter like 16,17,18mm..

    this device is for those who love 1x123 and there are plenty. It's super compact and you don't have to worry about multiple cells.

    Still, IMO 2>1

    and 3>2 for that matter.

    and while on the subject, 4>3 if edc is not a priority
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave D View Post
    Just repeating myself from the Malkoff Junkie thread.


    The bodyguard was ordered by a department that had specific requirements for the light.

    Gene built the light to meet their specific requirements and is also offering it to the public.

    I'm guessing that it must have been a substantial order for Gene to go to the trouble of developing it for them.

    This is what Gene said:

    'They were looking for something small enough for carry in a suit breast pocket and bright enough for close range temporary blinding and identification. They also wanted it to come on in high every time (no exceptions). They knew that battery life and over heating would be an issue. I suggested the timing idea. It was decided that if implemented properly, this could be a novel solution.'
    Exactly so. Clearly the agency knew what they wanted and the compromises they were willing to make in order for it to become a reality.

    The size and features are obviously important to them and will factor into how they train with firearms and lights. Also, everyone in the unit will be familiar with the same piece of gear.

    While many of us trained (and still train) with lights and there are some roughly "standardized" techniques, each agency will have its own set of needs and wants for particular tactical usage.

    For me personally, my Malkoff enhanced Surefire 6z and E2e are more than adequate. I used them on the job and now in retirement.

    Needs and requirements differ. I can't understand anyone's angst over a product that wasn't designed for their everyday use. Rather than trying to fit your needs to the specific light, purchase the specific light that fits your needs.

    'Nuff said (by me) on this topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues View Post
    Needs and requirements differ. I can't understand anyone's angst over a product that wasn't designed for their everyday use. Rather than trying to fit your needs to the specific light, purchase the specific light that fits your needs.
    I couldn't agree more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Modernflame View Post
    The product page for the Body Guard "head only" says that battery voltage must be checked often to avoid damage to the cell. I take it this means the light does not have low voltage protection.
    I expect the output will taper off as the voltage drops, in time honoured fashion. That's good enough for me to use IMR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modernflame View Post
    The product page for the Body Guard "head only" says that battery voltage must be checked often to avoid damage to the cell. I take it this means the light does not have low voltage protection.
    Probably by design, don't need the light shutting down suddenly in a tactical situation. Just a guess.

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    Thanks, Peter. I knew I couldn't be the only one...and I was already pretty sure that Dave D. was of a like mind, coming from a similar background.

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    Too bad the new body was not bored for 18mm battery, with added reducing (delrin) sleeve to run 123 primaries to accommodate department agencies convenience of battery usage

    NH.. Looking forward to your evaluation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliceScannerMan View Post
    Probably by design, don't need the light shutting down suddenly in a tactical situation. Just a guess.
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    I'm not sure I understand the description of "This flashlight is a Tactical use only...."

    Why? I can't use this to scan my yard at night or located landmarks while boating?

    Perhaps another overuse of the Tactical term?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    This!!!!!
    ^ +2 My initial thoughts as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mckeand13 View Post
    I'm not sure I understand the description of "This flashlight is a Tactical use only...."

    Why? I can't use this to scan my yard at night or located landmarks while boating?

    Perhaps another overuse of the Tactical term?
    I know what you mean, but if you're scanning around your boat at 550Lm and ten seconds in it drops to 150Lm, it'll take a while for your eyes to adjust.
    I really think this is a light that is designed for a purpose, dare I say "Tactical"?. A bit like a UV light, you really wouldn't want to use it to take out the trash.

    I do like the new groovy body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knucklegary View Post
    Too bad the new body was not bored for 18mm battery, with added reducing (delrin) sleeve to run 123 primaries to accommodate department agencies convenience of battery usage

    NH.. Looking forward to your evaluation!
    Mr. Tacticools don't run rechargeable 18mm cells. They are the reason primary 123s exist.

    It's cheaper to discard the used primaries than worry about chargers recharging, cells, etc and then carrying all this stuff back to the base. Much different SOP than hobbist people on this site. Li-ion are better from almost every angle except when you are sponsored to buy whatever stuff you want at zero cost to you.

    IOW, 123 primaries are consistent with the mission statement. And that is why they will continue to exist. and if I were in that mode, I would carry something with primaries in it.

    The dimming is a really interesting feature though I kinda like bigger lights than this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knucklegary View Post
    NH.. Looking forward to your evaluation!
    As soon as our super-efficient postal service can get it to me, I'll begin my evaluation and report back.

    Now it looks like Saturday….

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    ETC.. I too would prefer to pack my M61T or HOT.. I don't wear breast pockets. So, i cargo or rear carry.. IMR 18650 is my choice of power, and i always keep a car charger at hand.. Mr Tacicools LOL!!

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    I may order one tonite if I drink enough beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliceScannerMan View Post
    I may order one tonite if I drink enough beer.
    LOL! I have often used that technique to overcome initial resistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues View Post
    LOL! I have often used that technique to overcome initial resistance.
    It's my signature move.

    The UI on this is very interesting. Wouldn't mind trying this one out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliceScannerMan View Post
    It's my signature move.

    The UI on this is very interesting. Wouldn't mind trying this one out.
    I'll be raising an ice cold glass of Sierra Nevada "Torpedo" to you in just a little bit.

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    Folks use the term "tactical" because it just sounds way more man-lee-man than "niche". Carrying a tactical item exudes more testostorone prone individuals, while the French word pronounced 'neesh' sounds like a term used when exploring your feminine side while watching a chick-flick with the girl who dumped you for the leather clad jerk-weed while saying "we can be friends" or "you don't mind sleeping on the sofa while he's here do you?"....

    No "tactical" is way more burely.
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    If it were bored for 18mm, then it couldn't be made E-series compatible. Maybe E-series compatibility was a requirement from whatever agency requested these lights.

    Just food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    Folks use the term "tactical" because it just sounds way more man-lee-man than "niche". Carrying a tactical item exudes more testostorone prone individuals, while the French word pronounced 'neesh' sounds like a term used when exploring your feminine side while watching a chick-flick with the girl who dumped you for the leather clad jerk-weed while saying "we can be friends" or "you don't mind sleeping on the sofa while he's here do you?"....

    No "tactical" is way more burely.
    Or maybe...just maybe...the agency that requested the light be built to certain specifications had a pretty good idea of how and why those features would be beneficial in use.

    Nah...that could never happen. Must be a bunch of posers.

    Please pass the brie...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    Folks use the term "tactical" because it just sounds way more man-lee-man than "niche".
    Actually there is a difference between a true "tactical" light and one intended for more utilitarian purposes. To your point though, some lights labeled as "tactical" actually aren't.

    The primary consideration for a tactical light is that it must - without fail - activate on maximum output every time. Programmable lights are prone to becoming deprogrammed; lights that require multiple pushes of the switch are obviously a non-starter; the Malkoff bezel switch could become loosened during carry and result in the light activating on reduced output at the next push of the switch; even the two-stage "gas pedal" switch used on some newer Surefire lights could also prevent the quick deployment of maximum output if the tail cap backs off enough.

    Most of the time, a tactical light needs to be deployed quickly and with a single hand.

    With that requirement, a single output light with no high-low switch (or the ability to be programmed/deprogrammed) is the usual choice for this application. However, the ability to have reduced output for extended runtime and for situations where retina-burning output is not required is where the Bodyguard shines: it will always without fail activate on maximum output and there's nothing to prevent the light from doing so ​short of a depleted battery. At the same time, leave the light activated for more than 10 seconds and the reduced output mode is available if needed.

    The Malkoff Bodyguard's UI is intended solely for this application and in that regard, may now be the best available.

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